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Battlegrounds game modes are horribly designed and need changes
Gravord
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Finally, after waiting 2 months to be able actually enter battlegrounds, we can play them. And first though i get is "i waited for THAT??". Deathmatch, only game mode worth my time, happen once per 20 games at best. 2 other game modes are badly designed and goes down to which team have more sorcs porting aroud or how many coward set runners team have. It goes to the point where players caugh in fight intentionally allow themselves die faster without fighting back, so they can respawn quicker and run to empty objective flag or to grab and sprint/port with relic. Its horribly boring, disgusting and have nothing to do with promised "fast paced COMBAT". Didnt payed for Morrowind and waited 2 months for group finder to work more or less to participate in some skilless boredom racing games.
Devs need to respond to those issues (aswell as continue fixing group finder). Easy and quick solution would be to allow to queue for specific game mode, so players intersted in actual pvp not street race can play deathmatch only all the time. More effort would be redesigning capture the relic and domination that combat is required:
- domination - to cap a flag you have to participate in 1-3 kills on enemy team, then and only then you can capture one flag for your team
- relic running - relic runner doesnt benefit from ANY speed buffs and his speed is cut in 50%/25% when he holds the relic, so his team have to actually protect him, not watch him swing 30% coward delivering in mere seconds while taking no dmg in the process.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
Devs need to respond to those issues (aswell as continue fixing group finder). Easy and quick solution would be to allow to queue for specific game mode, so players intersted in actual pvp not street race can play deathmatch only all the time. More effort would be redesigning capture the relic and domination that combat is required:
- domination - to cap a flag you have to participate in 1-3 kills on enemy team, then and only then you can capture one flag for your team
- relic running - relic runner doesnt benefit from ANY speed buffs and his speed is cut in 50%/25% when he holds the relic, so his team have to actually protect him, not watch him swing 30% coward delivering in mere seconds while taking no dmg in the process.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Finally, after waiting 2 months to be able actually enter battlegrounds, we can play them. And first though i get is "i waited for THAT??". Deathmatch, only game mode worth my time, happen once per 20 games at best. 2 other game modes are badly designed and goes down to which team have more sorcs porting aroud or how many coward set runners team have. It goes to the point where players caugh in fight intentionally allow themselves die faster without fighting back, so they can respawn quicker and run to empty objective flag or to grab and sprint/port with relic. Its horribly boring, disgusting and have nothing to do with promised "fast paced COMBAT". Didnt payed for Morrowind and waited 2 months for group finder to work more or less to participate in some skilless boredom racing games.
Devs need to respond to those issues (aswell as continue fixing group finder). Easy and quick solution would be to allow to queue for specific game mode, so players intersted in actual pvp not street race can play deathmatch only all the time. More effort would be redesigning capture the relic and domination that combat is required:
- domination - to cap a flag you have to participate in 1-3 kills on enemy team, then and only then you can capture one flag for your team
- relic running - relic runner doesnt benefit from ANY speed buffs and his speed is cut in 50%/25% when he holds the relic, so his team have to actually protect him, not watch him swing 30% coward delivering in mere seconds while taking no dmg in the process.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
Only if I can get fiords orcs Stam Sorc speed build again. They nerfed it because of this battlegrounds mode. When all they had to do was this in the first place.
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Perfect example of "winner" team and what happens in pretty much all matches of this 2 game modes.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.PS4 EU DC
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
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✭✭✭✭On the good side, maybe the trolly tanks will move to Huttball when it comes out...0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »On the good side, maybe the trolly tanks will move to Huttball when it comes out...
If the new game mode gonna pop... or it will stay sprint to the flags and sprint with the relics...0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
Thats just stupid.
Lmao 37 kills and you lose to a team who had 4 kills between them yet died 25 times between them.PS4 EU DC
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Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Thats just stupid.
Lmao 37 kills and you lose to a team who had 4 kills between them yet died 25 times between them.
it is because most of these people use coward set, so they are essentially near impossible to catch, which makes all this so silly, it's only the "fast paced" part without the combat part
this upsets me greatly
so greatly in fact, i can't do it anymore
i really want to play battlegrounds, even with the proc sets and expoilts and all that stuff
but it's getting so ridiculous i can't stand it anymore, i want to play PvP zos pls fix this madness @ZOS_GinaBrunoPC-EU // UNDEAD1 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wait so you're saying the objective in capture the flag isn't to get as many kills a day possible? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME!?!?!
But seriously, whining about losing to a team that is actually Playing the game mode makes you even more of a scrub than people who whine about proc sets or sorc shields. The game is capture the flag, so if you can't capture the flag you lose. Congrats on trying to play deathmatch inside of capture the flag? Maybe spend ten minutes tops having a backup set in your inventory to equip for CTF, it isn't exactly rocket science.
CTF actually has some pretty complex strategies involved with it. The healing debuff that builds up over time makes things interesting. Defense is played by grabbing the enemy's flag rather than trying to prevent them from grabbing your, which then usually leads to a nice 4v4 battle.
I would like to see the ability to choose which mode we play. That would be nice. But until then, you should try using some of the tactics you're whining about - they aren't exactly hard to acquire.
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
Let me guess, you're a magsorc and the guy with 27 assists is the mDKInvictus
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
Let me guess, you're a magsorc and the guy with 27 assists is the mDK
Looks like he's actually a NB, which makes it very very impressive.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
Let me guess, you're a magsorc and the guy with 27 assists is the mDK
Looks like he's actually a NB, which makes it very very impressive.
Regardless, it seems silly to come here and complain about losing when OP is clearly paying no mind to the objective of the game mode.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
Let me guess, you're a magsorc and the guy with 27 assists is the mDK
Looks like he's actually a NB, which makes it very very impressive.
Regardless, it seems silly to come here and complain about losing when OP is clearly paying no mind to the objective of the game mode.
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Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mist form and bolt escape are disabled when carrying a relic. Trust me, I've accidentally backed over one a few times and pretty much got screwed because of it lol.
My main complaint on relic hunter is how easy it is to pick up and score the relic. The pickup and placement should be a 3 second channel/cast that is interruptible by bash/crushing/venom arrow/CC. The fact that you can build for speed, pop an immovable and basically be untouchable is the part that is unfair. Making it interruptible I think would balance it out a little.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Wait so you're saying the objective in capture the flag isn't to get as many kills a day possible? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME!?!?!
But seriously, whining about losing to a team that is actually Playing the game mode makes you even more of a scrub than people who whine about proc sets or sorc shields. The game is capture the flag, so if you can't capture the flag you lose. Congrats on trying to play deathmatch inside of capture the flag? Maybe spend ten minutes tops having a backup set in your inventory to equip for CTF, it isn't exactly rocket science.
CTF actually has some pretty complex strategies involved with it. The healing debuff that builds up over time makes things interesting. Defense is played by grabbing the enemy's flag rather than trying to prevent them from grabbing your, which then usually leads to a nice 4v4 battle.
I would like to see the ability to choose which mode we play. That would be nice. But until then, you should try using some of the tactics you're whining about - they aren't exactly hard to acquire.
Whining? I payed for combat, not watching sprinters compete who stacked more speed buffs. And i do offer solutions, either option to choose game mode or revamp game modes to include actual fighting. Go fix your definitions.
And yes, im not playing game mode because said game mode is boring and doesnt include actual combat, which is sorta whole reason to play bgs in the first place.Edited by Gravord on 16 July 2017 17:431 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
Let me guess, you're a magsorc and the guy with 27 assists is the mDK
Looks like he's actually a NB, which makes it very very impressive.
NB single target spec, no viper crap. Only proc set is on undaunted pieces because nothing better to put there anyway and its not essential for kills done. Person with 27 assists is mDK.0 -
raasdal✭✭✭✭✭
✭So you suck at playing the objective? Who said PvP has to be all about K/D. When i get someone like you on my team, running around mindlessly killing people in CTF, instead of going for a relic, getting our own back etc, i get pissed.
If you would try to actually play the games, you would realize there are much more to it than just "coward gear" runner. But if you insist on playing everything like a Deathmatch, then GG to you.PC - EU
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raasdal✭✭✭✭✭
✭So you suck at playing the objective? Who said PvP has to be all about K/D. When i get someone like you on my team, running around mindlessly killing people in CTF, instead of going for a relic, getting our own back etc, i get pissed.
If you would try to actually play the games, you would realize there are much more to it than just "coward gear" runner. But if you insist on playing everything like a Deathmatch, then GG to you.
And if the only thing that interests you is K/D, then go to Cyro. No one ever said BG was supposed to be one big Deathmatch.PC - EU
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭So you suck at playing the objective? Who said PvP has to be all about K/D. When i get someone like you on my team, running around mindlessly killing people in CTF, instead of going for a relic, getting our own back etc, i get pissed.
If you would try to actually play the games, you would realize there are much more to it than just "coward gear" runner. But if you insist on playing everything like a Deathmatch, then GG to you.
And if the only thing that interests you is K/D, then go to Cyro. No one ever said BG was supposed to be one big Deathmatch.
No one also said deathmatch wont ever pop and turn battlegrounds into coward sprintgrounds either. If you love so much run like a coward and never take part in actual combat, by all means go for it. I dont like it, "playing objective" in pvp that doesnt include actual pvp is a bad design to me, i dont ask for it to be removed it from game or say to you to gtfo from bgs, i ask for option to choose game mode i queue for. Is it somehow too complicated to comprehend? Or you are just one of these objective heroes on 0/20 kd that have no clue how to fight and can only sprint around and got hurt by my posts?2 -
Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭go to Cyro
mhm, yes, cyro, the land of zergs
is it so hard to comprehend that some people just want to fight 4v4v4 without running around or splitting or doing any other stuff for THE WHOLE match?
some people actually want combat, real combat, not bomb squads and 16v3s and stuff like that
just even fights between 4-man teams
is that really so hard to comprehend and understand? i mean, cmon
sure some running around playing objective stuff is needed but
just
let
us
kill
people
[in an even match with even teams, hopefully of similar skill]PC-EU // UNDEAD2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So you suck at playing the objective? Who said PvP has to be all about K/D. When i get someone like you on my team, running around mindlessly killing people in CTF, instead of going for a relic, getting our own back etc, i get pissed.
If you would try to actually play the games, you would realize there are much more to it than just "coward gear" runner. But if you insist on playing everything like a Deathmatch, then GG to you.
And if the only thing that interests you is K/D, then go to Cyro. No one ever said BG was supposed to be one big Deathmatch.
No one also said deathmatch wont ever pop and turn battlegrounds into coward sprintgrounds either. If you love so much run like a coward and never take part in actual combat, by all means go for it. I dont like it, "playing objective" in pvp that doesnt include actual pvp is a bad design to me, i dont ask for it to be removed it from game or say to you to gtfo from bgs, i ask for option to choose game mode i queue for. Is it somehow too complicated to comprehend? Or you are just one of these objective heroes on 0/20 kd that have no clue how to fight and can only sprint around and got hurt by my posts?
That runspeed strategy only works against bad teams that go into the match trying to play deathmatch.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Pvp games mode where if you pvp you lose
It's a joke.
Kills should always mean something, even if its only like 3 point per kill.
Yup, punished for pvping.
I don't agree with the overall point of this thread, but this screen shot is kinda bad and confusing.
-A person on a losing team got more points than anyone on the winning team.
-A member of the winning team got the fewest points of everyone in the match.
-A person with 37 kills some how managed to lose.Edited by timidobserver on 16 July 2017 19:22V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭So you suck at playing the objective? Who said PvP has to be all about K/D. When i get someone like you on my team, running around mindlessly killing people in CTF, instead of going for a relic, getting our own back etc, i get pissed.
If you would try to actually play the games, you would realize there are much more to it than just "coward gear" runner. But if you insist on playing everything like a Deathmatch, then GG to you.
And if the only thing that interests you is K/D, then go to Cyro. No one ever said BG was supposed to be one big Deathmatch.
No one also said deathmatch wont ever pop and turn battlegrounds into coward sprintgrounds either. If you love so much run like a coward and never take part in actual combat, by all means go for it. I dont like it, "playing objective" in pvp that doesnt include actual pvp is a bad design to me, i dont ask for it to be removed it from game or say to you to gtfo from bgs, i ask for option to choose game mode i queue for. Is it somehow too complicated to comprehend? Or you are just one of these objective heroes on 0/20 kd that have no clue how to fight and can only sprint around and got hurt by my posts?
That runspeed strategy only works against bad teams that go into the match trying to play deathmatch.
Do you even understand whats this thread about? Seems its too complicated for you to understand. Maybe you should just go sprint somewhere.0 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe they just got the game design wrong, all they have to do to make it harder to cap is make it so that to cap you must have your flag and both the other teams flags at your cap to earn a point and each player can only carry 1 relic. Cap points could be static but you should also be able to carry your own relic. This would create a new type of CTF, what this game has is just 2 flag ctf with 3 flags, so lazy.“Whatever.”
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Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Maybe they just got the game design wrong, all they have to do to make it harder to cap is make it so that to cap you must have your flag and both the other teams flags at your cap to earn a point and each player can only carry 1 relic. Cap points could be static but you should also be able to carry your own relic. This would create a new type of CTF, what this game has is just 2 flag ctf with 3 flags, so lazy.
each player CAN carry only one relic.
juust thought i'd point that out.
perhaps you meant each team to carry one relic.PC-EU // UNDEAD0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So you suck at playing the objective? Who said PvP has to be all about K/D. When i get someone like you on my team, running around mindlessly killing people in CTF, instead of going for a relic, getting our own back etc, i get pissed.
If you would try to actually play the games, you would realize there are much more to it than just "coward gear" runner. But if you insist on playing everything like a Deathmatch, then GG to you.
And if the only thing that interests you is K/D, then go to Cyro. No one ever said BG was supposed to be one big Deathmatch.
No one also said deathmatch wont ever pop and turn battlegrounds into coward sprintgrounds either. If you love so much run like a coward and never take part in actual combat, by all means go for it. I dont like it, "playing objective" in pvp that doesnt include actual pvp is a bad design to me, i dont ask for it to be removed it from game or say to you to gtfo from bgs, i ask for option to choose game mode i queue for. Is it somehow too complicated to comprehend? Or you are just one of these objective heroes on 0/20 kd that have no clue how to fight and can only sprint around and got hurt by my posts?
That runspeed strategy only works against bad teams that go into the match trying to play deathmatch.
It works against everything, heavy cowards with with s&b ult.
Game modes where pvp doesn't matter is pointless.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2
