OK, let's see if I get this right @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . You write
"To participate, simply log into the game with an active ESO Plus membership between 12:00am EDT and 11:59pm EDT (Eastern)"
As I am in Europe I'm on CEST. As I read this, it means I'll have to log-in between 18.00 CEST and 06.00 CEST the following morning. Logging in during the day doesn't count towards a free crate, only logging in during the evening and night. Or is this some typo and does logging in during the full 24 hours of a day suffice?
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno
Will ESO+ members get the free crates on both servers if they play on both servers and log in on both servers during the bonus period? Or is the award limited to 1 server? The article does not specify; however, as an ESO+ member I notice I am ESO+ on both servers. Please clarify - is it one free crate per subscription or 1 (bound to whichever server you log into) or is it free crate per subscription per server (a total of 10 crates - 5 per server)? As above, ESO+ subscriptions cross servers; however, crown store purchases do not.
Goddess_Althena wrote: »They say that if you purchase a subscription after the event you will get the free Crown crates if you'd logged in during the event. Is there a timeframe for that purchase or could I purchase a sub months later and still be awarded the Crown crates?
MisterBigglesworth wrote: »You mean I have to pay $15 just to make a video of me deleting 5 gambling crates in protest? Not worth it.
lordrichter wrote: »MisterBigglesworth wrote: »You mean I have to pay $15 just to make a video of me deleting 5 gambling crates in protest? Not worth it.
I don't think Crown Crates can be deleted.
ShedsHisTail wrote: »This is to be frank a completely terrible idea and I was extremely disappointed to hear about it. When I heard that more ESO+ benefits were being looked into to make up for the difference between the originally-advertised benefits and the current delivery, I was excited. There were a lot of great ideas, chief among them various ideas regarding a restyling system for weapons and armor. This, however, is not the kind of service I was looking for.
The opportunity to engage in gambling is not an appropriate benefit. We already have the opportunity to buy gambling boxes with the crowns we get from subbing, so extra gambling boxes is nothing new or interesting. An alternative, I suppose, would be to give more crowns during this month to subscribers so that we could spend them as we wish, but I'm not dumb, it seems pretty obvious what this is about. This is nothing more than an attempt at getting people more hooked and invested into the gambling box system. It was only approved because the belief is that if people get a few "free" ones now for subscribing they'll buy much, much more later as they try to get the gambling prizes they invariably didn't receive the first time.
I won't be opening these gambling boxes just as I did not open the one I got as part of the Morrowind collector's edition package. I absolutely, categorically, unilaterally refuse to participate in any part of the gambling box system, "free" or not. It's a blight on the game, it brings out the worst kind of attitudes in people, and it exploits players in a scheme that I truly and dearly hope is made illegal one day.
It's not gambling if you're not risking anything.
You'd be paying the monthly price anyway, so it's not like you've offered any additional ante to "gamble" here.
All this is is a promotion for both ESO+ and the Crown Crates. They are hoping non-subs will experience the benefits and maybe a few will decide they are worth the price; and they are hoping that people already subbed will get some cool stuff from their -free- crates and be thus have incentive to buy more crates in the future.
This is a promotion, this isn't going to take the place of the "good things to come" we've heard hinted at.
I mean, sure, you could say that it's exploitative of people who cannot resist the urge to gamble, but opening a few crown crates which you got -for free- is not gambling.
@ShedsHisTail
There are several reasons that I feel it still qualifies as gambling. First, as I stated in another thread, it is very clear that this is seen as a one-off replacement for the lost ESO+ content as it was originally advertized.It's not a weird thing to be upset about and we're not confusing this for an ESO+ benefit. ZOS made this thread about how to improve ESO+ after the backlash regarding the changed DLC schedule. One of the ideas someone came up with was to give "one free gambling box per month". This is a terrible idea for many reasons, but it was definitely suggested. Now, five months later, ESO+ members are being given a shot at getting five gambling boxes. It's not a stretch of the imagination that these things are related, it's an exercise in basic inference.
Assuming this logic holds, there is every bit as much risk involved as if you had bought the gambling boxes separately, and it is in fact worse because it is being used to replace content that was originally promised, even though this is not what we signed up for and was never a part of our thought process when deciding if the price was worth it. I'm not a cynic and do believe them that there's more on the way, like a restyling system, but they need at least one new, robust system every year to replace the lost DLC access between its replacement on the schedule by expansions and the less-ambitious (but still obviously very cool) dungeon packs. What we have right now is basically an opt-in writeoff for the missing DLC for Q2 2017.
Second, and I'm glad you mentioned promotion, because if I use any items/wear and costumes/ride any mounts that can only be found in the gambling boxes, I am effectively promoting gambling in the game by using my character's body as free adspace. I'm not opposed to doing that for things bought normally on the crown store, but I'm not going to encourage others to gamble by adding to the net exposure they experience.
ShedsHisTail wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »This is to be frank a completely terrible idea and I was extremely disappointed to hear about it. When I heard that more ESO+ benefits were being looked into to make up for the difference between the originally-advertised benefits and the current delivery, I was excited. There were a lot of great ideas, chief among them various ideas regarding a restyling system for weapons and armor. This, however, is not the kind of service I was looking for.
The opportunity to engage in gambling is not an appropriate benefit. We already have the opportunity to buy gambling boxes with the crowns we get from subbing, so extra gambling boxes is nothing new or interesting. An alternative, I suppose, would be to give more crowns during this month to subscribers so that we could spend them as we wish, but I'm not dumb, it seems pretty obvious what this is about. This is nothing more than an attempt at getting people more hooked and invested into the gambling box system. It was only approved because the belief is that if people get a few "free" ones now for subscribing they'll buy much, much more later as they try to get the gambling prizes they invariably didn't receive the first time.
I won't be opening these gambling boxes just as I did not open the one I got as part of the Morrowind collector's edition package. I absolutely, categorically, unilaterally refuse to participate in any part of the gambling box system, "free" or not. It's a blight on the game, it brings out the worst kind of attitudes in people, and it exploits players in a scheme that I truly and dearly hope is made illegal one day.
It's not gambling if you're not risking anything.
You'd be paying the monthly price anyway, so it's not like you've offered any additional ante to "gamble" here.
All this is is a promotion for both ESO+ and the Crown Crates. They are hoping non-subs will experience the benefits and maybe a few will decide they are worth the price; and they are hoping that people already subbed will get some cool stuff from their -free- crates and be thus have incentive to buy more crates in the future.
This is a promotion, this isn't going to take the place of the "good things to come" we've heard hinted at.
I mean, sure, you could say that it's exploitative of people who cannot resist the urge to gamble, but opening a few crown crates which you got -for free- is not gambling.
@ShedsHisTail
There are several reasons that I feel it still qualifies as gambling. First, as I stated in another thread, it is very clear that this is seen as a one-off replacement for the lost ESO+ content as it was originally advertized.It's not a weird thing to be upset about and we're not confusing this for an ESO+ benefit. ZOS made this thread about how to improve ESO+ after the backlash regarding the changed DLC schedule. One of the ideas someone came up with was to give "one free gambling box per month". This is a terrible idea for many reasons, but it was definitely suggested. Now, five months later, ESO+ members are being given a shot at getting five gambling boxes. It's not a stretch of the imagination that these things are related, it's an exercise in basic inference.
Assuming this logic holds, there is every bit as much risk involved as if you had bought the gambling boxes separately, and it is in fact worse because it is being used to replace content that was originally promised, even though this is not what we signed up for and was never a part of our thought process when deciding if the price was worth it. I'm not a cynic and do believe them that there's more on the way, like a restyling system, but they need at least one new, robust system every year to replace the lost DLC access between its replacement on the schedule by expansions and the less-ambitious (but still obviously very cool) dungeon packs. What we have right now is basically an opt-in writeoff for the missing DLC for Q2 2017.
Second, and I'm glad you mentioned promotion, because if I use any items/wear and costumes/ride any mounts that can only be found in the gambling boxes, I am effectively promoting gambling in the game by using my character's body as free adspace. I'm not opposed to doing that for things bought normally on the crown store, but I'm not going to encourage others to gamble by adding to the net exposure they experience.
But that logic -doesn't- hold. Because it's -not- being used to replace promised content, because it is a short term event with a pre-determined expiration date. And it doesn't cost you anything you weren't spending anyway.
I'm not saying ZOS won't continue to do it, they might, and if they do then we can revisit your point.
But as of now, they've announced no plans; and honestly, anyone subbing just to get their hands on five boxes (or one a month) kinda deserves to lose that money considering they only cost, what, 400 crowns each?
It's not gambling unless you're, well, gambling. There has to be an ante, some amount of something you risk to lose if the odds aren't in your favor. Opening boxes which you received at no (additional) cost are no more "gambling" than scratching a lottery ticket you found on the ground.
I don't think they have. But with the data coming in through Faunter's add-on and the stuff I already have from Wild Hunt and Storm Atro, maybe we can work something out.
I know when I opened mine and did your data (which I screwed up BTW, I'm the guy who placed the bonus cards in the wrong place as I just went 1 - 5 listing them in order, SORRY!) I only got 3 Nix Hounds out of 15 crates, with one of each Ashlander costume, 1 duplicate costume and the Dwarven Orb toy.I don't think they have. But with the data coming in through Faunter's add-on and the stuff I already have from Wild Hunt and Storm Atro, maybe we can work something out.
ValandarTheRed wrote: »I hear people on this forum complaining about lag, server crashes, etc... but have yet to see either one.
It's like you guys never tried to play one of those crappy Korean MMO's from ten years ago or something...
ValandarTheRed wrote: »I hear people on this forum complaining about lag, server crashes, etc... but have yet to see either one.
Marketing and the people doing this aren't the developers though. It's not like the people working on group finder bugs all stop and start working on marketing campaigns, then don't do any more group finder work until the event is over.In german we would say: "Einem geschenkten Gaul, schaut man nicht ins Maul." Meaning, you dont complain when you get something for free.
Still i really dont like this bonus event. It's quite obvious, it's for triggering people to buy crown crates and to buy ESO+. I wouldnt have a problem with that (i respect that there has to come money from somewhere), if ZOS wouldnt just focus on how to bring people to waste all their money into the crown store but would also focus on essential and basic stuff of the game, like bugfixing and support. Due to that i just feel like a milked cow - this bonus event wont help me over that feeling.
I tried to write it the most constructive way, I could. Actually I have way worse words in my mind.
Best wishes,
me.
Marketing and the people doing this aren't the developers though. It's not like the people working on group finder bugs all stop and start working on marketing campaigns, then don't do any more group finder work until the event is over.In german we would say: "Einem geschenkten Gaul, schaut man nicht ins Maul." Meaning, you dont complain when you get something for free.
Still i really dont like this bonus event. It's quite obvious, it's for triggering people to buy crown crates and to buy ESO+. I wouldnt have a problem with that (i respect that there has to come money from somewhere), if ZOS wouldnt just focus on how to bring people to waste all their money into the crown store but would also focus on essential and basic stuff of the game, like bugfixing and support. Due to that i just feel like a milked cow - this bonus event wont help me over that feeling.
I tried to write it the most constructive way, I could. Actually I have way worse words in my mind.
Best wishes,
me.
I would imagine this entire thing used at most management, marketing, accounts, server team and community team.
We bring it up because it's most likely true. ZOS are very unlikely to be using their development staff to run marketing campaigns.Marketing and the people doing this aren't the developers though. It's not like the people working on group finder bugs all stop and start working on marketing campaigns, then don't do any more group finder work until the event is over.In german we would say: "Einem geschenkten Gaul, schaut man nicht ins Maul." Meaning, you dont complain when you get something for free.
Still i really dont like this bonus event. It's quite obvious, it's for triggering people to buy crown crates and to buy ESO+. I wouldnt have a problem with that (i respect that there has to come money from somewhere), if ZOS wouldnt just focus on how to bring people to waste all their money into the crown store but would also focus on essential and basic stuff of the game, like bugfixing and support. Due to that i just feel like a milked cow - this bonus event wont help me over that feeling.
I tried to write it the most constructive way, I could. Actually I have way worse words in my mind.
Best wishes,
me.
I would imagine this entire thing used at most management, marketing, accounts, server team and community team.
I cant hear/read this argument anymore. Aren't people tired of bringing this up again and again?
It always sounds like a company wont ever be able to hire people anymore. In the end its ZOS decision, where it puts in the money gained from the players, which departments get increased, decreased or delayed to india and ZOS priorities are clear.
We bring it up because it's most likely true. ZOS are very unlikely to be using their development staff to run marketing campaigns.Marketing and the people doing this aren't the developers though. It's not like the people working on group finder bugs all stop and start working on marketing campaigns, then don't do any more group finder work until the event is over.In german we would say: "Einem geschenkten Gaul, schaut man nicht ins Maul." Meaning, you dont complain when you get something for free.
Still i really dont like this bonus event. It's quite obvious, it's for triggering people to buy crown crates and to buy ESO+. I wouldnt have a problem with that (i respect that there has to come money from somewhere), if ZOS wouldnt just focus on how to bring people to waste all their money into the crown store but would also focus on essential and basic stuff of the game, like bugfixing and support. Due to that i just feel like a milked cow - this bonus event wont help me over that feeling.
I tried to write it the most constructive way, I could. Actually I have way worse words in my mind.
Best wishes,
me.
I would imagine this entire thing used at most management, marketing, accounts, server team and community team.
I cant hear/read this argument anymore. Aren't people tired of bringing this up again and again?
It always sounds like a company wont ever be able to hire people anymore. In the end its ZOS decision, where it puts in the money gained from the players, which departments get increased, decreased or delayed to india and ZOS priorities are clear.
As for which departments get increased let's take a look... https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7
Looks like a mix of multiple departments, including development.
It only gets brought up again and again because people keep bringing up "ZOS should focus on X instead of Y" again and again. If that stops being mentioned, others won't feel the need to keep correcting it.I cant hear/read this argument anymore. Aren't people tired of bringing this up again and again?Marketing and the people doing this aren't the developers though. It's not like the people working on group finder bugs all stop and start working on marketing campaigns, then don't do any more group finder work until the event is over.In german we would say: "Einem geschenkten Gaul, schaut man nicht ins Maul." Meaning, you dont complain when you get something for free.
Still i really dont like this bonus event. It's quite obvious, it's for triggering people to buy crown crates and to buy ESO+. I wouldnt have a problem with that (i respect that there has to come money from somewhere), if ZOS wouldnt just focus on how to bring people to waste all their money into the crown store but would also focus on essential and basic stuff of the game, like bugfixing and support. Due to that i just feel like a milked cow - this bonus event wont help me over that feeling.
I tried to write it the most constructive way, I could. Actually I have way worse words in my mind.
Best wishes,
me.
I would imagine this entire thing used at most management, marketing, accounts, server team and community team.