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Is vampirism worth it?
Was thinking of getting vampirism for my dunmer dps templar, as people always go on about the sustain, but looking at the passives vs the 50 - 75% loss of health regeneration it looks pretty poor and I don't see why it would be desirable. Am I missing something? Is there additional bonuses in the tooltip that aren't mentioned in the basic passives?
Edited by g0dlik3buthumbl3 on 23 March 2017 11:08 0
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Health regeneration isn't really important if you have healing from yourself or others.
Most people in content don't stand around and heal the damage by letting it tick up, so you can pop a heal and be done.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭Health regen loss is pretty meaningless. The extra fire damage can cause some troubles but nothing that l2p couldn't solve. The passives are quite strong actually - extra 10% regen and the damage mitigation below 50% health. The extra sneakiness can be useful is some situations too.
The only reason I don't have all my characters as vampires is that I don't want them all to look so ugly.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner0 -
Stannum✭✭✭✭You will loose appearance and will not get something really usefull for DPS.
As for me there are only 2 reasons for being a vampire.
1. Stealth speed bonus for PvP (useless for PvE).
2. DMG mitigation for PvE tanks (useless for DPS as they have low HP and resistances anyway).Edited by Stannum on 23 March 2017 11:200 -
Oh yeah, I didn't really think about that. So it doesn't affect the way your health regens via heals? That's okay then, I thought it would stunt healing too. Damage mitigation is always welcome and if it boosts magicka regen then that sounds good. My dunmer passives should cancel out most of the fire vulnerability I think at stage 3.Edited by g0dlik3buthumbl3 on 23 March 2017 11:280
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✭✭Mist form on a Templar can be helpful in PvP , I have vamp on my Magplar , mag Dk , stamplar and stamblade0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭g0dlik3buthumbl3 wrote: »Oh yeah, I don't really think about that. So it doesn't affect the way your health regens via heals? That's okay then, I thought it would stunt healing too. Damage mitigation is always welcome and if it boosts magicka regen then that sounds good. My dunmer passives should cancel out most of the fire vulnerability I think at stage 3.
IIRC unless changed the Dunmer fire immunity only worked out at something like 3% base. However elemental resistance goes hand in hand with spell resistance.
It could have changed a lot since I tested all the number though, I am sure others here will be able to tell you better numbers than I.
However the main thing is you should be fine as a Vampire other than you'll need to pop your own heals when you jump off things (can't regen up as fast) and you should be even more careful about standing in red when it's fire related.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭Templar has pretty strong spell resistance from Balanced Warrior passive, and combined with the Dunmer fire resistance can mitigate the vampire vulnerabilities pretty well. I wouldn't worry that much since most mechanics that are worth worrying about in PvE are already one shot. That 10% recovery may prove even more useful if they go ahead with the nerf to CP recovery and do away with CP cost reduction in one of the coming patches.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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It will not be usefull for DPS as it works only if your health is low, it works great for tanks that have large HP pool and high resists. But it does not matter for DPS weather killing blow will be somewhat mitigated or not.g0dlik3buthumbl3 wrote: »Damage mitigation is always welcome
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emily3989✭✭✭✭✭You will loose appearance and will not get something really usefull for DPS.
As for me there are only 2 reasons for being a vampire.
1. Stealth speed bonus for PvP (useless for PvE).
2. DMG mitigation for PvE tanks (useless for DPS as they have low HP and resistances anyway).
Useless is a play-style opinion. If you like to solo or role play at all, or even like to jog around enemies, the sneaking at run speed is extremely useful. Theives guild and the brotherhood quest lines were soooo much easier and for me enjoyable with it.Thasi - V16 Magblade Vampire PC/NA1 -
I'm really just looking at it for regen buffs vs vamp stage debuffs. It seems I can mitigate most of the debuffs with my passives and heals, so I'll give it a try for the regen. Cheers0
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It will not be usefull for DPS as it works only if your health is low, it works great for tanks that have large HP pool and high resists. But it does not matter for DPS weather killing blow will be somewhat mitigated or not.g0dlik3buthumbl3 wrote: »Damage mitigation is always welcome
Not very useful against big hitters but it can make great difference when you get many smaller hits. Which is common in vma, dungeons or trials even. It kicks in from 50% which is around 8-10k hp for most dds. It is definitely more realistic and usable than for example the burst heal from Mutagen.
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It's for vMA that I have it in mind, so that's good to know. I'm gonna give it a shot.0
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭It's awesome for some characters and playstyles, and a liability for others. My Dragonknight healer is built around the vampirism and will not drop it. My Templar healer is a more traditional build and finds vampirism more of a liability.
Try it out on your character and see if it works for you, then you know! It has enough advantages to be worth a try.Why be normal when you can be better?
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