Endless fury is worth keeping

Vanzeii

So I some people tell me that its useless and that I should just use inner light and use crushing shock as a spammable would this be viable? I currently run both endless fury and crushing shock.

Edit: after some testing done with innet light its not that great for me at least on my dps bar. Usually what ends up killing them is fury when it procs spamming crushing shock when they are using wings or that one annoying ability that templars have against projectiles.

dpencil

More info is needed. Do you need the magicka from Endless? If not, most people will run Mage's Wrath. It's pretty common for endgame PvE where a boss can be at 20% health for a long time. In PvP it is a great way to add passive burst to your arsenal.

Is it that useful against trash mobs or non-trials bosses? Not really.

dpencil

One thing you could do is run Overload on your back bar and put Wrath there so you can get to it in execute phase without it cluttering your main ability slots.

Vanzeii

dpencil wrote: »

More info is needed. Do you need the magicka from Endless? If not, most people will run Mage's Wrath. It's pretty common for endgame PvE where a boss can be at 20% health for a long time. In PvP it is a great way to add passive burst to your arsenal.

Is it that useful against trash mobs or non-trials bosses? Not really.

This is only for pvp I wonder if that extra damage from endless or wrath is worth it when going up against people for should I just take that extra magicka.

dpencil

Did you see my other thread?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329070/your-best-burst#latest

The execute explosion can be pretty powerful. Most of the fights I win are because it finishes off my opponenet. Remember that in PvP, burst is key. Give the opponent a couple seconds to regroup and they'll shield or heal through whatever extra damage you hit them with.

Vanzeii

dpencil wrote: »

Did you see my other thread?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329070/your-best-burst#latest

The execute explosion can be pretty powerful. Most of the fights I win are because it finishes off my opponenet. Remember that in PvP, burst is key. Give the opponent a couple seconds to regroup and they'll shield or heal through whatever extra damage you hit them with.

Ah yes I did see it. Oh well guess I wont be able to slot inner light

Strider_Roshin

They're completely wrong. Fury beats inner light any day.

Minalan

Vanzeii wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

Did you see my other thread?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329070/your-best-burst#latest

The execute explosion can be pretty powerful. Most of the fights I win are because it finishes off my opponenet. Remember that in PvP, burst is key. Give the opponent a couple seconds to regroup and they'll shield or heal through whatever extra damage you hit them with.

Ah yes I did see it. Oh well guess I wont be able to slot inner light

That or back-bar it. Swap and drop someone before they heal.

Vanzeii

Minalan wrote: »

Vanzeii wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

Did you see my other thread?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329070/your-best-burst#latest

The execute explosion can be pretty powerful. Most of the fights I win are because it finishes off my opponenet. Remember that in PvP, burst is key. Give the opponent a couple seconds to regroup and they'll shield or heal through whatever extra damage you hit them with.

Ah yes I did see it. Oh well guess I wont be able to slot inner light

That or back-bar it. Swap and drop someone before they heal.

I'll try that and moving my mines to my overload bar though I'm not sure if I should move power surge too or should I just keep it on my back bar?

dpencil

I have Power Surge on my Overload bar. If you're taking longer that 30 sec to kill someone and they haven't killed you by then you're probably safe to switch over and reapply it.

Biro123

For PVP - I think it depends on whether you are focusing on spellpower or max mag..

If going max mag, then inner light is a must. - so for me, I use fury - and don't have space for CS. But honestly, between curse/frag procs/shielding/fury and the odd empower - there generally isn't time for much CS spam anyway - so I kind of think that f I did have bar-space for an extra staff ability - I'd probably take reach anyway since you'd rarely get chance to spam it.

cschwingeb14_ESO

Fury gives the extra damage necessary to kill people who block or healing Ward when they are low. Not to mention the vamp damage reduction.

But don't spam it. Just 1 fury, then back to your normal damage rotation for 3 seconds

FriedEggSandwich

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Fury gives the extra damage necessary to kill people who block or healing Ward when they are low. Not to mention the vamp damage reduction.

But don't spam it. Just 1 fury, then back to your normal damage rotation for 3 seconds

But what if you want to use it as a spammable?

DeviousCat

Wrath is the PvP gods gift to Sorcs. Spam it like you stole it to proc that other gift, you know, the frag.

Lexxypwns

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

josh.lackey_ESO

Vanzeii wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

More info is needed. Do you need the magicka from Endless? If not, most people will run Mage's Wrath. It's pretty common for endgame PvE where a boss can be at 20% health for a long time. In PvP it is a great way to add passive burst to your arsenal.

Is it that useful against trash mobs or non-trials bosses? Not really.

This is only for pvp I wonder if that extra damage from endless or wrath is worth it when going up against people for should I just take that extra magicka.

Spam it on everyone all the time. Fury is probably the best skill a mag sorc has, definitely the best execute in the game. You need Crushing Shock for other reasons, (frag proc, dps, dk wings) but you can't give up fury for it. Ditch something else. I run Inner Light on one bar only.

Reefo

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

thankyourat

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

FriedEggSandwich

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

The counter play is to dodge mages wrath before it hits you, or to keep out of execute range. Pretty sure you can also block the explosion, and you can defo shield the explosion.

Minalan

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

Lexxypwns

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Its great for the sorc and makes it a mandatory bar slot

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

Its a fallacy that there's no counterplay. However, the fact is once an opponent is in execute range you don't have to use another GCD to kill them, which is why it is better than all other executes and mandatory for sorc. Once an opponent is in execute range, there's no counterplay to be had. You don't even have time to block unless you start blocking before entering execute range, but you know all this.

thankyourat

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

You won't get any argument from me that stuff is broken. There are alot of things that's broken in game. But fury doesn't have counterplay because one you drop to 20% health you instantly die. You don't have a chance to do anything which leaves very little counter play

FriedEggSandwich

thankyourat wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

You won't get any argument from me that stuff is broken. There are alot of things that's broken in game. But fury doesn't have counterplay because one you drop to 20% health you instantly die. You don't have a chance to do anything which leaves very little counter play

You can't say it doesn't have counter play when it doesn't even have to hit you; it can be dodged. Learn to watch your hp and have a plan for when in execute range.

Strider_Roshin

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

You won't get any argument from me that stuff is broken. There are alot of things that's broken in game. But fury doesn't have counterplay because one you drop to 20% health you instantly die. You don't have a chance to do anything which leaves very little counter play

You can't say it doesn't have counter play when it doesn't even have to hit you; it can be dodged. Learn to watch your hp and have a plan for when in execute range.

It is very easy to land, and if it misses you just recast it again. Casting fury is way cheaper than dodge rolling. Also, one curse + frag combination with a fury active = easy kill.

If someone dodges fury; more likely than not it was unintentional.

Minalan

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

You won't get any argument from me that stuff is broken. There are alot of things that's broken in game. But fury doesn't have counterplay because one you drop to 20% health you instantly die. You don't have a chance to do anything which leaves very little counter play

You can't say it doesn't have counter play when it doesn't even have to hit you; it can be dodged. Learn to watch your hp and have a plan for when in execute range.

It is very easy to land, and if it misses you just recast it again. Casting fury is way cheaper than dodge rolling. Also, one curse + frag combination with a fury active = easy kill.

If someone dodges fury; more likely than not it was unintentional.

Or they were just buying a few seconds to vigor themselves out of execute range, then they continue on.

And if only one curse and frag kills you, you need to take a hard look at your build. Are you wearing all divines?

Izaki

Minalan wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

You won't get any argument from me that stuff is broken. There are alot of things that's broken in game. But fury doesn't have counterplay because one you drop to 20% health you instantly die. You don't have a chance to do anything which leaves very little counter play

You can't say it doesn't have counter play when it doesn't even have to hit you; it can be dodged. Learn to watch your hp and have a plan for when in execute range.

It is very easy to land, and if it misses you just recast it again. Casting fury is way cheaper than dodge rolling. Also, one curse + frag combination with a fury active = easy kill.

If someone dodges fury; more likely than not it was unintentional.

Or they were just buying a few seconds to vigor themselves out of execute range, then they continue on.

And if only one curse and frag kills you, you need to take a hard look at your build. Are you wearing all divines?

No he probably isn't. Its just how squishy stamblades are and how bad medium armor is compared to heavy.

Izaki

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

Come on Min, I know you main Sorc, but you gotta admit that the Fury/Wrath Explosion has very little counter play. Sure the initial hit can be dodged, but the explosion is pretty much a death sentence.

Strider_Roshin

Minalan wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

IMO, Fury/wrath is the best execute in the game for pvp right now. The ability to pre-proc the explosion and the fact that it happens instantly if the target drops into range is insane and functions as a huge health debuff when pre-casted as part of burst. In those situations, you don't use a GCD casting it after they enter execute range so there's no time for them to use a GCD of their own to recover in some manner.

Some will say impale and RD are as good or better but I think the ability to pre-execute a target, while solo, is insanely strong and has no peers.

Exactly this because it leaves no counter play. which is great.

What's great about not having counterplay.

Vigor/Rally with troll king on and a major vitality pot active and you're at full health for the foreseeable future, let alone out of execute range.

The "no counterplay" argument is flat wrong. Period.

You won't get any argument from me that stuff is broken. There are alot of things that's broken in game. But fury doesn't have counterplay because one you drop to 20% health you instantly die. You don't have a chance to do anything which leaves very little counter play

You can't say it doesn't have counter play when it doesn't even have to hit you; it can be dodged. Learn to watch your hp and have a plan for when in execute range.

It is very easy to land, and if it misses you just recast it again. Casting fury is way cheaper than dodge rolling. Also, one curse + frag combination with a fury active = easy kill.

If someone dodges fury; more likely than not it was unintentional.

Or they were just buying a few seconds to vigor themselves out of execute range, then they continue on.

And if only one curse and frag kills you, you need to take a hard look at your build. Are you wearing all divines?

Actually this was from my Sorc's perspective. And as @IzakiBrotherSs stated, stamblades are the easiest to pull this combo off on.

Merlin13KAGL

Wrath is the way to go - more damage.

The magicka return from fury is only equivalent to getting the last cast free - only counts when they die.

Aedaryl

It's funny, exexutes don't need counter play, it's why it's execute ahahah

Sorcerer is the most easy class to counter, crystal frag previvible, curse have a timer, fury too, and ultimates also have timer.

How counter fury ? When you are hit, be sure to not drop under 25% HP, it's the same when you get hit by Templar execute.

Really sorc is the only class that say on 90% of his damage skills, HELLO, I'M GOING TO BURST, CAN YOU BLOCK/SHIELD/DODGE/PURGE PLS ?

Izaki

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Wrath is the way to go - more damage.

The magicka return from fury is only equivalent to getting the last cast free - only counts when they die.

Wrath doesn't do more damage. Its only the AoE splash damage component that deals increased damage on Mage's Wrath. The single target damage on Endless Fury and Mage's Wrath is exactly the same.