Official Discussion Thread for "ESO: Morrowind - Faith in the Shadow of Red Mountain"

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

This is the official discussion thread for the ESO: Morrowind - Faith in the Shadow of Red Mountain blog article.

Through the ages, the people of Vvardenfell have turned to Vivec and the Great Houses in times of crisis. Read a short lore book inspired by the events in The Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind and The Elder Scrolls III, and the unwavering faith of those who call Morrowind home.

Cinbri

Thanks. After this I know for 100% that for the first time in eso i will enjoy lore books coz it was just fantastic!!! Intended or not but I fount 1 reference to tes3 quest.

fwr.phoenixub17_ESO

I can only hope that this Llevule is not Llevule Andrano who is recently dead by the time of TES3.

Turelus

Awesome!

Would love to see more little lore snippets like this each month.

JD2013

That was a very cool read. I hope we see more of these things for Morrowind and indeed all area DLC!

fwr.phoenixub17_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

Awesome!

Would love to see more little lore snippets like this each month.

I'd prefer a full-pledged Loremaster's Archive. Miss them. Also, it would be nice to see the Interactive Map of Tamriel live and updated. @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ! If you hear that, please tell what've become of them.

Turelus

fwr.phoenixub17_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Awesome!

Would love to see more little lore snippets like this each month.

I'd prefer a full-pledged Loremaster's Archive. Miss them. Also, it would be nice to see the Interactive Map of Tamriel live and updated. @ZOS_GinaBruno ! If you hear that, please tell what've become of them.

Well if we're really going down the route of website content I would love to have actual dev blogs each week/month (something like this: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs ) but I know that's a dream.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Wait...

when it is even said that the Nerevarine has risen among the Ashlanders?

...they look with fear on the return of the Nerevarine but look to Nerevar as an example to emulate? Someone explain this please?

On a mostly-unrelated note, it looks like we'll be seeing Failed Incarnate Idrenie Nerothan during our explorations.

TheRimOfTheSky

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wait...

"when it is even said that the Nerevarine has risen among the Ashlanders?"

...they look with fear on the return of the Nerevarine but look to Nerevar as an example to emulate? Someone explain this please?

I think the general belief in Morrowind is that the Tribunal Temple are the only true gods, and that the original anticipations are false Daedra. Azura set in the Nerevarine Prophecy, so as it is associated with her, it is considered false by most Dunmer other than the Ashlanders, who still revere Azura as the Chimer initially did. In TES 3 Vivec mainly helps you because he knows that it is now the time for Morrowind to do away with the mortal gods and that you're the only one who can defeat Dagoth Ur. ESO is long before that, so any who are proclaimed to be Nerevarine are persecuted.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

On a mostly-unrelated note, it looks like we'll be seeing Failed Incarnate Idrenie Nerothan during our explorations.

I predicted this a little while back, it's good to see Zenimax is doing something with the Failed Incarnates. Nerothan fought in the Akaviri Invasion, likely the second one which happened just 10 years before ESO, so it makes sense she is the current Nerevarine. Apparently she died in Kogoruhn, which is in the northern Ashlands.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

I think the general belief in Morrowind is that the Tribunal Temple are the only true gods, and that the original anticipations are false Daedra. Azura set in the Nerevarine Prophecy, so as it is associated with her, it is considered false by most Dunmer other than the Ashlanders, who still revere Azura as the Chimer initially did. In TES 3 Vivec mainly helps you because he knows that it is now the time for Morrowind to do away with the mortal gods and that you're the only one who can defeat Dagoth Ur. ESO is long before that, so any who are proclaimed to be Nerevarine are persecuted.

That doesn't explain anything. Persecuting someone is not the same as being afraid of them. Persecuting someone claiming to be Nerevar when you respect Nerevar makes some sense--'Nerevar was a really awesome guy, how dare you lie about being him!' But FEARING someone you look up to for their courage makes no sense, not unless there's a healthy dose of context missing.

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

On a mostly-unrelated note, it looks like we'll be seeing Failed Incarnate Idrenie Nerothan during our explorations.

I predicted this a little while back, it's good to see Zenimax is doing something with the Failed Incarnates. Nerothan fought in the Akaviri Invasion, likely the second one which happened just 10 years before ESO, so it makes sense she is the current Nerevarine. Apparently she died in Kogoruhn, which is in the northern Ashlands.

You and half of Tamriel. I think I'm going to put looking for her near the top of my to-do list when I reach Vvardenfell...

Kehnara

Just curious, as I could not find the answer on the official page, will there be new housing available in the new playable area? And if so are they any details yet?

fwr.phoenixub17_ESO

Kehnara wrote: »

Just curious, as I could not find the answer on the official page, will there be new housing available in the new playable area? And if so are they any details yet?

Yes there will. No details yet though.
I would imagine there definitely will be a Telvanni mushroom house as one option.

Cinbri

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

I think the general belief in Morrowind is that the Tribunal Temple are the only true gods, and that the original anticipations are false Daedra. Azura set in the Nerevarine Prophecy, so as it is associated with her, it is considered false by most Dunmer other than the Ashlanders, who still revere Azura as the Chimer initially did. In TES 3 Vivec mainly helps you because he knows that it is now the time for Morrowind to do away with the mortal gods and that you're the only one who can defeat Dagoth Ur. ESO is long before that, so any who are proclaimed to be Nerevarine are persecuted.

That doesn't explain anything. Persecuting someone is not the same as being afraid of them. Persecuting someone claiming to be Nerevar when you respect Nerevar makes some sense--'Nerevar was a really awesome guy, how dare you lie about being him!' But FEARING someone you look up to for their courage makes no sense, not unless there's a healthy dose of context missing.

It kinda easy (or in fact not easy) and related to lie that Tribunal used about their ascension. According official Tribunal doctrine: Nerevar was greatest dude, etc. who upon death, betrayed by Voryn Dagoth, blessed creation of Tribunal. So, he became main saint of new faith. While in reality Vivec/Alma/Sotha betrayed and killed Nerevar, used Heart for what Azura cursed chimers into dunmers and propheted that by her power incarnation of Nerevar will return as Nerevarine and end reign of Tribunal. Ashlanders don't serve to Tribunal so they spread this prophecy, it became "ashlanders' prophecy" based on words of Alandro Sul, shield-companion of Nerevar who departed to ashlanders after his master death; while for ALMSIVI it symbolise threat so they were trying to expel any knowledge related to it as it uncover lie about their divine nature. Within Tribunal exists so called order of Dissident Priests who contest divine origin of Tribunal and spread ashlanders' prophecy of Nerevarine, being called heretics and tortured/killed/imprisoned for it by Inquisitors (in one of lore-book "The Battle of Red Mountain" you can read that Vivec himself was participated in those things).
tl;dr: for ashlanders Nerevarine is symbol of hope. For Tribunal it is unofficially threat, something like officially Nerevar might be best dude ever, unofficially, his incarnation, Nerevarine - most wanted criminal, whos very existense is already challenge to Living Gods. Thats why in tes3 when you revealed as Nerevarine - Ordinators were tried to kill you on sight.

FLambda

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wait...
"when it is even said that the Nerevarine has risen among the Ashlanders?"
...they look with fear on the return of the Nerevarine but look to Nerevar as an example to emulate? Someone explain this please?

I think the general belief in Morrowind is that the Tribunal Temple are the only true gods, and that the original anticipations are false Daedra. Azura set in the Nerevarine Prophecy, so as it is associated with her, it is considered false by most Dunmer other than the Ashlanders, who still revere Azura as the Chimer initially did. In TES 3 Vivec mainly helps you because he knows that it is now the time for Morrowind to do away with the mortal gods and that you're the only one who can defeat Dagoth Ur. ESO is long before that, so any who are proclaimed to be Nerevarine are persecuted.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

On a mostly-unrelated note, it looks like we'll be seeing Failed Incarnate Idrenie Nerothan during our explorations.

I predicted this a little while back, it's good to see Zenimax is doing something with the Failed Incarnates. Nerothan fought in the Akaviri Invasion, likely the second one which happened just 10 years before ESO, so it makes sense she is the current Nerevarine. Apparently she died in Kogoruhn, which is in the northern Ashlands.

Yes, yes yes yes! Please let this be so!

Cinbri

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

. Apparently she died in Kogoruhn, which is in the northern Ashlands.

And apparently it means that Kogoruhn was already dangerous place back than. Wonder who or maybe what killed her. Will be nice if it will be available for exploration and we can find answer by ourselves.

Eweroun

Cinbri wrote: »

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

. Apparently she died in Kogoruhn, which is in the northern Ashlands.

And apparently it means that Kogoruhn was already dangerous place back than. Wonder who or maybe what killed her. Will be nice if it will be available for exploration and we can find answer by ourselves.

Kogoruhn... Ooh, that means those ancient dunmer strongholds will be present? Does this mean the strongholds are in the game as well? I really hope to go back to those places... Valenvaryon, Marandus, Falensarano,...
Oh, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_GinaBruno one more question. You guys announced the Silk Striders... Will we have the Propylon chambers again?

Veloth_Telvannis

Will there be another LIVE episode for us on twitch tonight?
also: will there be any examples of Redoran Architecture present? i've only seen Ald Ruhn so far... and that was overrun by ashlanders.

Recremen

Nice little blurb. It's told in a very different voice from a lot of other Dunmeri religious texts, which I think does well to show the diversity of approaches to Tribunal faith in the region. I know we all like to think it's Pure Incomprehensible Mysticism, All The Time, but at some point there's got to be priests who can sermonize in a way that's acceptable to the common person.

Faulgor

Eweroun wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

TheRimOfTheSky wrote: »

. Apparently she died in Kogoruhn, which is in the northern Ashlands.

And apparently it means that Kogoruhn was already dangerous place back than. Wonder who or maybe what killed her. Will be nice if it will be available for exploration and we can find answer by ourselves.

Kogoruhn... Ooh, that means those ancient dunmer strongholds will be present? Does this mean the strongholds are in the game as well? I really hope to go back to those places... Valenvaryon, Marandus, Falensarano,...
Oh, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_GinaBruno one more question. You guys announced the Silk Striders... Will we have the Propylon chambers again?

The strongholds that are visible on the datamined map are

Andasreth
Berandas
Falasmaryon
Falensarano
Hlormaren
Indoranyon
Kogoruhn
Marandus
Telasero
Valenvaryon

So that's all of them except Rotheran.

Llevndryn

Great and intriguing text !