No CP PVP is Great!

Dral_Shady

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Yeah, it was all fun and games until I glitched into Drake's north wall when we retook it from AD on NA Trueflame

Drake North wall has been bugged as long as I can remember

Sureshawt

Homed to Azura after experiencing how much better the game is in terms of performance and balance. I never realized just how badly the CP system was impacting the overall game play.

NA/PC Azura is already well populated and it looks like I'm not alone in moving to non-CP. Hopefully not to many move too Azura where the queues get crazy though!

Moglijuana

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

For the people saying why didn't anyone just play the non cp campaigns, well the answer is simple no one was in them & a small portion on console wanted to try it out so you'd get no action.

Everyone is so accustomed to cp, especially console player's that they've become so reliant on the system.

Azura's Star on PC-NA has been the second-most populated for a long time. There was definitely more than 'no one' in it.

I'm talking about console..

I'm hoping Azura's picks up some popularity on Ps4 NA. The competitive side of me really enjoys the challenge no CP brings to everyone.

LuminaLilly

People act like azuras star hasn't been no cp for the past year.....

xarguideb17_ESO

Lag in Cyrodiil is so real, that after getting thrown out of the game, I cannot even log back in. Absolutely unplayable right now.
Europe, Haderus.

Drakkdjinn

I'm lovin' this week something fierce; no Chump-Points for lyfe!

Great stuff ZoS. Now all you gotta do is remove the litany of bugs and loading screens that make this game feel like a buggy third party scratched-up Playstation 1 disc and you'd have a game ready to take out of paid beta!

Lylith

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

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yeah, that's why i'm reading this.

like no cp pvp? go play in azuras.

hopefully zos will make a 7 day non-cp, too.

fwiw, people are already figuring out the cancer builds for no cp setups, did you think they wouldn't?

Paraflex

If they would double or even 1.5 times the AP in no CP those places would be populated and very fun. No CP is a much better PvP experience.

Feedinginsanity

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'm having a great time in this event. No CP is a blast.

I still crashed at the end of a heroic Chalman defense though.

I hate it. I really hate playing without my CP. Do you not understand how difficult it is trying to line of sight when your fighting like 5 people and your resources are drained, your heals are inadequete, and you hit like a wet noodle.

Aside from that, line of sight is impossible to do when your health bar is going down faster than your health, and ambush spammers keep snaring you. F*** you ZOS. You lied to us when you said that you were fixing gap closer. I see people line of sighting all the time and I don't know how, it takes no skill to do, (it literally doesn't) all it takes are gap close spammers...

I play nightblade primarily. With my CP, I have uber mega heals because I put 75 points into blessed. I hit like a truck, and I can sustain forever. Without my cp, I feel like I cannot accomplish anything.

Feedinginsanity

Isellskooma wrote: »

Magbuilds are having the time of there life, I couldn't heal for my life on my main Stam Nightblade. Get on my Magblade I haven't played in ages and had the time of my life, could heal, be tanky.

That doesn't make any sense at all... How is a magblade stronger without their cp? They are so weak with there cp. I can't even play PvP this week despite the fact that I have experience in Azura's Star. I get that it's more skill based but I get so enraged when my vigor is ticking for like 1k and my resources get drained down to 0. This one time I was trying to defend a keep by myself and these 3 DC come upstairs, one was a 531, the others were lower levels. So I try to go upstairs, (for five f***ing minutes this kept repeating itself) I would dodge roll once, break free once, heal really badly, do a tiny bit of damage, and then proceed to go back downstairs to recover. I would hit siphoning attacks to get everything back, and if I didn't do that, it would take 2 minutes to get my resources back. Wash, rinse, repeat. Until other people arrived.

Whenever I play in that campaign on my nightblade I really start to hate this game. All I end up doing is complaining and it just isn't fun. At least I get to experience how the game felt in 1.5. I don't even think this class was considered playable by any means before they added vigor, and cp.

cjthibs

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

I play nightblade primarily. With my CP, I have uber mega heals because I put 75 points into blessed. I hit like a truck, and I can sustain forever. Without my cp, I feel like I cannot accomplish anything.

You're not god-like without CP...therefore non-CP sucks. Makes sense.

LuminaLilly

I used to hate no cp to the point where I considered quitting Cyrodiil for the week. But then I realized that crystal frag and crushing shock was killing damn near everyone in just two shots. I thought I was op with cp but dang bro.

I'm actually loving the no perma dodge or perma cloak coward-blades where they run outta resources and just look stupid while I pack em up. No infinite healing or perma blocking magic trollplars.

This magic nb tried to gank me, ran outta resources and begged me not to expose em by holding block, but I rejected his yield.

I was mad I kept getting zerged on but solo pvp is in its prime.

I was wrong about no cp. soo wrong.

dead1ycool

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

SodanTok

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

Yes,this is called L2P issue and many PVPers, confronted by nonCP for their first time, are experiencing it.

Miswar

Having played everyday extensively can say.

1. This double ap week has encouraged many players to cheat in PS4 EU server. (Some top names) You really should go through these reports that no doubt have filed in and do swift punishments for these players.
2. The lag has been bad PS4 EU. Actually even worse than before. I'am based on Europe so suprisingly the lag in PS4 EU NA is not as bad.
3. This no CP actually encourages Zergs even more.

Positive thing is that you see tanks go down more swiftly and you see people running in with not only heavy armour builds.

To summarize PvP

PS4 EU = Worse PvP in history
PS4 NA = It's been ok compared to the above

starlizard70ub17_ESO

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

But if ZOS ever does make it so all Campaigns are no CP then at least they could remove the CP cap from PVE, only reason it was put in place was due to unbalance in PVP.

It would be interesting to see if a player with 1500 CP can solo a trial by themselves.

Bittergreen in the Wild accepts your challenge.

Kaspar

I think people are a bit naïve if not delusional to believe that having no CP appears to fix all the balance issues. Most people playing have their characters built around having CP available. It would not be long in all no CP campaigns for people to adapt their stats / gear / skills to become proficient once again.

One very notable imbalance in no CP scenario is the difference between how easy spell resistance is to obtain compared to physical resistance. Using 5H/2L I require 60 points into heavy armor focus to obtain a physical resistance equal to the spell resistance that I get without doing anything special.

Naturally a stamina based character would prefer no CP when this point is considered as it allows them to easily obtain resistance against Magicka users while having their stamina based skills being much more effective since physical resistances are low.

Resource management is a serious issue in no CP especially considering the amount of CC (and now poisons as well) that exists. Again I believe a stamina based character would have less difficulty with this aspect since many anti-CC maneuvers are all stamina based. I find my self as a Magicka user typically exhausting my mana pool just using cleanse so much which then leaves me vulnerable to death since I cannot use any offensive skills or heal effectively (-50% heals in Cyrodiil) as I am OOM.

All a players need do is apply poison a few times use a couple of CC's and boom easy win! This is generally how all fights go in a no CP setting - poison -cleanse/5 heals - CC - breakfree/dodgeroll - poison - CC - block/block - oh no OOM/Stam - death. I think no CP PvP without radically rebuilding my character is not very fun.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'm having a great time in this event. No CP is a blast.

I still crashed at the end of a heroic Chalman defense though.

I hate it. I really hate playing without my CP. Do you not understand how difficult it is trying to line of sight when your fighting like 5 people and your resources are drained, your heals are inadequete, and you hit like a wet noodle.

Aside from that, line of sight is impossible to do when your health bar is going down faster than your health, and ambush spammers keep snaring you. F*** you ZOS. You lied to us when you said that you were fixing gap closer. I see people line of sighting all the time and I don't know how, it takes no skill to do, (it literally doesn't) all it takes are gap close spammers...

I play nightblade primarily. With my CP, I have uber mega heals because I put 75 points into blessed. I hit like a truck, and I can sustain forever. Without my cp, I feel like I cannot accomplish anything.

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

First Guy: I know you're the biggest troll on the board, but beside that ... um ... learn to play? CP should be used to compliment your build, not carry it. The only issue I'm having is that I lost some physical resist so it's a bit harder fighting dual wield spammers. Aside from that a max resource build with low regen is easy AF to sustain with heavy attacks. A low resource build with high regen is hard AF to sustain with no CP. It's counter intuitive but going from 47k magic with 800 regen to 41k and 600 isn't a big deal. But going from 30k and 3000 to 27k and 1200 will be almost too much to overcome. TLDR: L2Build

Second Guy: I got 600+ CP and, aside from Willpower jewelry which doesn't come in gold, rock all gold totally maxed out gear all the time. I love no CP mostly because I know how to properly build a character for PVP, which is something that 97% of speadsheet warriors seemly don't.

Xvorg

There was a no CP event?

Darng!!... I was on vacations for the last 2 weeks... I missed it =(

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Xvorg wrote: »

There was a no CP event?

Darng!!... I was on vacations for the last 2 weeks... I missed it =(

It's all week in all campaigns. You got all weekend.

bowmanz607

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

bowmanz607 wrote: »

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

100% this.

My end game set actually has all crafted gear other than my 2 monster pieces. I have over 300 pieces of gear in my bank and on mules (none of it worse than purple) and I can to the conclusion independently that I still prefer heavy Julianos above everything else.

If you know what you're doing the CP is unnecessary.

Waffennacht

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

100% this.

My end game set actually has all crafted gear other than my 2 monster pieces. I have over 300 pieces of gear in my bank and on mules (none of it worse than purple) and I can to the conclusion independently that I still prefer heavy Julianos above everything else.

If you know what you're doing the CP is unnecessary.

Don't you see you made our point?

With 300 sets you're pigeonholed into Lich or Seducer (or both) etc. Every single mediocre set is unplayable. Sure that's fine if you're only concerned with winning, but for players that got bored with the same ol' over a year ago, it's right back to the same ol'.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Waffennacht wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

100% this.

My end game set actually has all crafted gear other than my 2 monster pieces. I have over 300 pieces of gear in my bank and on mules (none of it worse than purple) and I can to the conclusion independently that I still prefer heavy Julianos above everything else.

If you know what you're doing the CP is unnecessary.

Don't you see you made our point?

With 300 sets you're pigeonholed into Lich or Seducer (or both) etc. Every single mediocre set is unplayable. Sure that's fine if you're only concerned with winning, but for players that got bored with the same ol' over a year ago, it's right back to the same ol'.

Oddly ... now I guess I did. I'm not used to people agreeing that you can play Julianos at end game. Haha. Sorry ... nothing to see here.

bowmanz607

Waffennacht wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

100% this.

My end game set actually has all crafted gear other than my 2 monster pieces. I have over 300 pieces of gear in my bank and on mules (none of it worse than purple) and I can to the conclusion independently that I still prefer heavy Julianos above everything else.

If you know what you're doing the CP is unnecessary.

Don't you see you made our point?

With 300 sets you're pigeonholed into Lich or Seducer (or both) etc. Every single mediocre set is unplayable. Sure that's fine if you're only concerned with winning, but for players that got bored with the same ol' over a year ago, it's right back to the same ol'.

you are not forced to run those sets. those are just the easy ones to throw on for a week. PLus, you could simply change mundus and glyohs for recovery while using other sets you want to use. You can back bar restofor the heavy attack resources. you can run heavy and go with more heavy attacks. you can decide to run with more sustain with running medium or light over heavy. you can weave in blocks with a resto staff for mag gain. there are things like repentance or the new mag stea. you can runn siphoning attacks. you can get kills with desto staff. you can run swoard and board ult front bar, pop it, then switch to resto back bar for resources.

with cp everyone just runs heavy cause cp will take care of resources/damage. proc sets let you keep damage etc. everyone run the same builds with cp. Without cp, you at least force players to choose. you want more mitgation then you lose resources and vice versa. or it forces people to learn mechanics better and fight smarter to sustain such as the tings i mentioned above with desto kills and swoard and board ult.

Waffennacht

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

100% this.

My end game set actually has all crafted gear other than my 2 monster pieces. I have over 300 pieces of gear in my bank and on mules (none of it worse than purple) and I can to the conclusion independently that I still prefer heavy Julianos above everything else.

If you know what you're doing the CP is unnecessary.

Don't you see you made our point?

With 300 sets you're pigeonholed into Lich or Seducer (or both) etc. Every single mediocre set is unplayable. Sure that's fine if you're only concerned with winning, but for players that got bored with the same ol' over a year ago, it's right back to the same ol'.

you are not forced to run those sets. those are just the easy ones to throw on for a week. PLus, you could simply change mundus and glyohs for recovery while using other sets you want to use. You can back bar restofor the heavy attack resources. you can run heavy and go with more heavy attacks. you can decide to run with more sustain with running medium or light over heavy. you can weave in blocks with a resto staff for mag gain. there are things like repentance or the new mag stea. you can runn siphoning attacks. you can get kills with desto staff. you can run swoard and board ult front bar, pop it, then switch to resto back bar for resources.

with cp everyone just runs heavy cause cp will take care of resources/damage. proc sets let you keep damage etc. everyone run the same builds with cp. Without cp, you at least force players to choose. you want more mitgation then you lose resources and vice versa. or it forces people to learn mechanics better and fight smarter to sustain such as the tings i mentioned above with desto kills and swoard and board ult.

I'll say 90% of the population runs the same gear with or without CP.

The moment a streamer posts his/her Non CP build, there is 100s of copies runnin around.

I seriously doubt the majority of players have a preferred style, create a goal, and then theorycraft until it's a success. Most players go, "Viper? Check Black Rose? Check.... and now which set did he say? Oh yeah... check"

Only the minority of players take the time to learn the mathematical formulas, check amount of hit vs damage done vs ttk, regen rates, ability use and efficiency and then create and adjust accordingly.

The minority is getting the shaft here, the people that want to make a build around swarm mother or overwhelming surge or even hybrids just can't now.

-also I know those kinds of builds don't always win, believe it or not having fun is more important than just winning to some people (this is to prevent the ridicule associated with advocating something not BiS that usually comes from popular forum goers...)

bowmanz607

Waffennacht wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

dead1ycool wrote: »

Anyone saying no CP in pvp definitely is not at max level and do not have gold drop sets built around cp. If you like no cp they have black water for non vet and azuras star for vet. There is absolutely no reason to get rid of champ points on every pvp server. I basically only pvp in the imperial city. The Zerg fighting is insanely boring to me. The city doesn't lag at all. They call this an event but I feel like I'm being punished. Am I suppose to make all new gear for a week event? I'm a magic sorc. I lost almost 7000 magic, 300 magic recovery, 25% shield and damage reduction. My character is useless. I can't even solo city world bosses anymore.

I am at about 700 cp. Farmed all the gear needed for end game pvp. I am a pretty darn good pvp player and been here since launch. I think cp should go. It ruins the game. Don't generalize that only people at non max with no hear want no cp. Many many people I know want no cp and have same background as me. We don't think cp are leaving, in fact highly doubt it, but we can still voice our opinions about how cp ruins this game.

Also, you don't need to go crazy on getting more gear. In fact, as a mag sorc that claims to have end game gear for pvp, I'm surprised you don't have liche which is wonderful for no cp. Plus seduces is very cheap and easy to get or simply just changing your glyphs and mundus which is cheap and easy fix for the week.

Additionally, you have less shield strength and damage sure. But othershields also do less damage to shields and mitigate less damage from lack of CP.

100% this.

My end game set actually has all crafted gear other than my 2 monster pieces. I have over 300 pieces of gear in my bank and on mules (none of it worse than purple) and I can to the conclusion independently that I still prefer heavy Julianos above everything else.

If you know what you're doing the CP is unnecessary.

Don't you see you made our point?

With 300 sets you're pigeonholed into Lich or Seducer (or both) etc. Every single mediocre set is unplayable. Sure that's fine if you're only concerned with winning, but for players that got bored with the same ol' over a year ago, it's right back to the same ol'.

you are not forced to run those sets. those are just the easy ones to throw on for a week. PLus, you could simply change mundus and glyohs for recovery while using other sets you want to use. You can back bar restofor the heavy attack resources. you can run heavy and go with more heavy attacks. you can decide to run with more sustain with running medium or light over heavy. you can weave in blocks with a resto staff for mag gain. there are things like repentance or the new mag stea. you can runn siphoning attacks. you can get kills with desto staff. you can run swoard and board ult front bar, pop it, then switch to resto back bar for resources.

with cp everyone just runs heavy cause cp will take care of resources/damage. proc sets let you keep damage etc. everyone run the same builds with cp. Without cp, you at least force players to choose. you want more mitgation then you lose resources and vice versa. or it forces people to learn mechanics better and fight smarter to sustain such as the tings i mentioned above with desto kills and swoard and board ult.

I'll say 90% of the population runs the same gear with or without CP.

The moment a streamer posts his/her Non CP build, there is 100s of copies runnin around.

I seriously doubt the majority of players have a preferred style, create a goal, and then theorycraft until it's a success. Most players go, "Viper? Check Black Rose? Check.... and now which set did he say? Oh yeah... check"

Only the minority of players take the time to learn the mathematical formulas, check amount of hit vs damage done vs ttk, regen rates, ability use and efficiency and then create and adjust accordingly.

The minority is getting the shaft here, the people that want to make a build around swarm mother or overwhelming surge or even hybrids just can't now.

-also I know those kinds of builds don't always win, believe it or not having fun is more important than just winning to some people (this is to prevent the ridicule associated with advocating something not BiS that usually comes from popular forum goers...)

thats why they should go back to soft caps as well.

Lokey0024

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'm having a great time in this event. No CP is a blast.

I still crashed at the end of a heroic Chalman defense though.

I hate it. I really hate playing without my CP. Do you not understand how difficult it is trying to line of sight when your fighting like 5 people and your resources are drained, your heals are inadequete, and you hit like a wet noodle.

Aside from that, line of sight is impossible to do when your health bar is going down faster than your health, and ambush spammers keep snaring you. F*** you ZOS. You lied to us when you said that you were fixing gap closer. I see people line of sighting all the time and I don't know how, it takes no skill to do, (it literally doesn't) all it takes are gap close spammers...

I play nightblade primarily. With my CP, I have uber mega heals because I put 75 points into blessed. I hit like a truck, and I can sustain forever. Without my cp, I feel like I cannot accomplish anything.

Get zerged, bad.



Immovable pots. NB burst combo. Drop a siege then catch them recovering.

Albali

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Im loving it. Fights seem to go back and forth more and no one has unlimited resources without being weaker, like balance. You have to run impen. You cant mindlessly spam abilities. And best of all is skill is a factor, especially outnumbered. Sorcs who would jump into crowds of 10 players are getting nuked, as they should always. Gankers arent hitting nearly as hard and actually have to fight to get the win.

Best move ESO devs made in a long time.

100% agree, pvp as it should be.

Odditorium

I have been enjoying it very much. I recently switched to DPS from tanky-healer. I made some purple 150 Seducer for my templar and I've been having a blast. The lag has improved; the battle of Faregyl Saturday morning can attest to that. It was a 3-way fight: EP on the top level (farming as usual), DC defending and AD capturing. It was glorious!

Also anyone who cheats or exploits and has a DPS-tank sticks out like a sore thumb so they're easy to avoid.

If there is a nice population during the times I play, I will switch to AS. This is the ESO PvP as I remembered when I started playing - Fun and competitive!