For PvP, ESO better than GW2?

Xsorus

Hexyl wrote: »

If you want good pvp. Stay on WoW.

Don't be abused by all of those "great master pvp" who make vids arounds there. Is just totally about gear who do everything for you and Addon / Macro.

WoW PvP remains a joke; its a bloody game that made tanks automatically take 25% more damage then everyone else because and I quote "People dislike fighting tanks"

Age of Conan is another game that turned out to have *** PvP if you consider its Match System and Border kingdom system.

Both were hilariously bad and/or didn't work.

Warhammer Online's Match system was far better then AOC, and after some changes their RvR lakes were ok (They were never truly up to par with DAOC)

After those two games you had DCUO which wasn't completely terrible but Mediocre and Rift which at launch was actually pretty *** good PvP wise... In fact Rift was one of those games that surprised me with how well it ended up right until their Developers said *** it we don't need people playing together and introduced a Premade system that brought queues from 2 to 5 minutes to 1 hour if you had more then 2 people.

Rift of course at the time didn't have a Keep system or RVR system but at least its maps were fun like WARs

SWTOR was next after it and we all saw how that Illum *** show turned out....Thankfully it had Huttball right up until they decided to make the boring ass Capture the Point maps more common.

Then we have GW2, which pretty much everyone has expanded on... I played WvW because I liked the ability to actually modify my character and come up with interesting builds. Plus I hate fighting on small ass points........I never really cared for SPvP as I always felt like it wasn't actually doing anything for me.

Can't speak for PvP lately any that game..but last time I played which was a couple months ago It got pretty bad in WVW, even worse then was before I left.

Can't imagine anyone playing that game for PvP....This game though is going to hold me over till CU.

KingYogi415

Battlegrounds will be amazing.

No other games cartoony graphics and basic 1 key macro pvp will ever come close to how dynamic, deep and AAA graphic ESO pvp is.

Have some faith. Or go back to some MOBA w.e.

Cheers!

Sylosi

If you like PvP then GW2 is probably better overall, ESO has Cyrodil (mass scale PvP) and duels, GW2 has WvW (mass scale PvP), but also has instanced 5v5 PvP with leagues, seasons, leader-boards, etc, it's even had tournies for money.

I think it also depends on what you like in a game, for example in ESO there is a huge amount of build options, so if you love that sort of thing ESO is better, on the other hand that gets really, really cheesy at times (perma-blocking, ridiculous amounts of damage from passive proc gear, etc) so the actual gameplay can be pretty bad in some respects.

In GW2 they have gone too far the other way, it used to have decent build variety (not on ESO's level), but they added 'elite specs' which were basically too strong, so every 'meta' build is now based around these elite specs, which reduced build variety, on the other hand it has produced decent balance, every class (9 classes) in 5v5 has a viable build.

Then there are things like how do you like your PvP, do you enjoy a level playing field in which case GW2 is far superior - the difference between an absolutely top geared character in WvW and someone using easy to get level cap gear is about 5-15% depending on the sort of build, in 5v5 everyone uses standardised gear, is upscaled to lvl 80 regardless of their level, it has leagues/MMR, etc, which puts the emphasis on skill rather than gear, grinding CP, etc.

But then on the other hand, if you like to "work" to get an advantage ESO is far superior in that respect, not only does it have a steeper gear power curve, it has an end game progression system called Champion Points that makes a massive difference.

I could go on, but I've waffled enough.

hassubhai

No, god no. Esp pvp is one of the worst pvp experiences out there atm

Rohamad_Ali

You bought the game so try it out . It's free from this point on . Opinions will very and everyone is right with their opinion . My opinion is it needs lots of work and other games handle exploits and cheating better then here . If you don't mind that then you can try and see if you like it .

maxjapank

Oceanic time zone on NA PC is relatively lag free. We Oceanics all have pings from 200+, so if you live in NA, you'll likely have an advantage there. Combat is prob the best around. I enjoy not having cool downs and macros. Using block, dodge roll, bash, etc make for a more engaging experience, too. Guild groups can really take advantage of synergies from different classes and different gear sets. But there are quite a few small scale groups from 3-5 that also synergies / play well together. You can also run solo, whether it's Zerg surfing back and forth, ganking, or pulling players away from the larger fights.

NA prime time on Trueflame is plagued by lag. It can still be fun but it is what it is. And you may find it unbearable. I have heard that the non cp campaign is better as well as the under 50 campaign.

Lastly, there has been an influx of newer players lately, especially the Japanese players. And that is great news.

Sylosi

maxjapank wrote: »

I enjoy not having cool downs and macros. Using block, dodge roll, bash, etc make for a more engaging experience, too.

Which is no different to many "action" MMOs in most respects, in this thread he is asking specifically about GW2 vs ESO, GW2 also has block, dodge, no macros, etc...

maxjapank

Sylosi wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

I enjoy not having cool downs and macros. Using block, dodge roll, bash, etc make for a more engaging experience, too.

Which is no different to many "action" MMOs in most respects, in this thread he is asking specifically about GW2 vs ESO, GW2 also has block, dodge, no macros, etc...

But GW2 has cool downs. And I gave him a perspective of Oceanic time zone without lag, which may not matter to him, but was different than any other poster. Is that okay with you?

Kerioko

One can only hope Crowfall and CU are released this year!

As others have said, PVP is in a sad state in the MMO genre. If I had to choose a current MMO for PVP, it would be:

- BDO for Guild vs Guild and more action style combat
- GW2 for its Arenas
- ESO for large scale PVP

Other than that, I am really hoping CU pushes out the game they promise. It looks to be what ESO PVP should have been.

Sylosi

maxjapank wrote: »

But GW2 has cool downs.

Which is why I used the phrase 'in most respects'.

maxjapank wrote: »

And I gave him a perspective of Oceanic time zone without lag, which may not matter to him, but was different than any other poster. Is that okay with you?

This is a discussion forum.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

thedude33 wrote: »

Try and make this short and sweet without the rant.

GW2 isn't really PvP. It's coordinated Pvdoors. It's like doing the dolmens circuit. You take a keep and leave, opposing faction takes back the keep while you are taking back the keep you just took. Rinse/repeat. In fact, if you really want to stir things up? With a couple of friends, stay at the keep your faction just captured. Each build an arrow cart. When the enemy comes, start blasting away.

replace GW2 with ESO and it's literally the same thing as it's been described lol.

PurifedBladez

Kutsuu wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I don't think there has been a MMO that has released in the past 5 to 6 years that had even decent PvP. All MMOs go the way of Passive/Gear/Elite Specs power creep in order to make easy sales via Expansions and DLCs. As I tell other gamers if you are only looking for PvP, the current MMO genre should be the last place you should look at. However MMOs at least the ones worth their weight and name in gold have really good and satisfying PvE.

For me ESO is the best PvE multi player game on the market. For my PvP like many other actually PvPers we have evacuated our PvP playtime to dedicated PvP games. PvP games that make money off of high octine PvP action and not off of DLCs or Expansions that are PvE focused and make PvP completely unbalanced by design. But then again I'm a being who has the focus to be able to play 2 to 3 games at a time period. My game loyality is just as much as the loyalty of the company who's game I'm playing. So I can spend thousands of dollars and put thousands of hours and still be able to drop said game.

The time where MMOs had decent PvP are long gone. Like others have said if you are trying to play MMOs in general in todays time just for PvP, then you are just inviting much headache and heartache to your selves.

As I've said many times before.... ESO is love, ESO is fun, ESO is not decent PvP nor will ever be.

Best pvp game I ever played was age of Conan. Open world pvp, sieges, minimaps, great graphics, brutal bloody combat and no lag! Too bad funcom quickly abandoned it in favor of secret world and the equivalent to ce ran rampid and killed it. Combat wise, eso is a close second.

Ugh if only we could have a time-locked version of Age of Conan from the ~1.6 era... I'd never play another game. Really hate it how they killed that game with the game breaking bugs/exploits early on. Was released too early.

Are you guys hyped for conan exiles? That religion system looks awesome!

I really can't wait to get down in Hyboria again.. games gonna be straight savage!

Katahdin

ESO is way better hands down.

I played GW2 for 3 years and I stopped playing a year ago and havent been back.
Ive been playing ESO for 3 years and Im still here.

FearlessOne_2014

Katahdin wrote: »

ESO is way better hands down.

I played GW2 for 3 years and I stopped playing a year ago and havent been back.
Ive been playing ESO for 3 years and Im still here.

Agree, I've played GW2 for about 3 years myself. However the current state of GW2's WvW and PvP are is a laughable at best state.

GW2 PvP - ANet creates artificial pros by Stacking 2 ESL duos and a Legendary player team against a team of random 5 gold league or lower. ANet's Match Maker System barely ever have the ESL players facing each other, in order to artificially buff their stats. In response for such hubris ANet's PvP scene continues to low which little population it has. At the moment only the ESL players that are getting paid to PvP and the PvEers that ANet had to bribe to farm PvP match for high tier PvE gear.

GW2 WvW is in a worst state then PvP in that game. GW2's WvW has devolved into a game mode that promotes players to PAY REAL MONEY to server stack another server each time ANet re-links servers. Also it promotes players running away from fights and avoiding any type of PvP just to Player vs Door and Karma Train the whole map. It's so bad and unbalanced that outside of the 4 to 5 hours of NA prime in Tier 2 WvW is basically completely dead. You can run around for 2 hours and only find a half of a decent fight because the other player didn't see you coming.

For anything related to PvP atm I'll have to say, bother with that *** fest at your own risk. You think ESO PvP is bad, lol. At least we have PvP action in ESO.

Oh this is coming from a player who's been playing both game quit GW2 a few months ago for about 3 years each, and had a 20,000 gold account so I was very invested at that game at one point when it was good.

Katahdin

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

ESO is way better hands down.

I played GW2 for 3 years and I stopped playing a year ago and havent been back.
Ive been playing ESO for 3 years and Im still here.

Agree, I've played GW2 for about 3 years myself. However the current state of GW2's WvW and PvP are is a laughable at best state.

GW2 PvP - ANet creates artificial pros by Stacking 2 ESL duos and a Legendary player team against a team of random 5 gold league or lower. ANet's Match Maker System barely ever have the ESL players facing each other, in order to artificially buff their stats. In response for such hubris ANet's PvP scene continues to low which little population it has. At the moment only the ESL players that are getting paid to PvP and the PvEers that ANet had to bribe to farm PvP match for high tier PvE gear.

GW2 WvW is in a worst state then PvP in that game. GW2's WvW has devolved into a game mode that promotes players to PAY REAL MONEY to server stack another server each time ANet re-links servers. Also it promotes players running away from fights and avoiding any type of PvP just to Player vs Door and Karma Train the whole map. It's so bad and unbalanced that outside of the 4 to 5 hours of NA prime in Tier 2 WvW is basically completely dead. You can run around for 2 hours and only find a half of a decent fight because the other player didn't see you coming.

For anything related to PvP atm I'll have to say, bother with that *** fest at your own risk. You think ESO PvP is bad, lol. At least we have PvP action in ESO.

Oh this is coming from a player who's been playing both game quit GW2 a few months ago for about 3 years each, and had a 20,000 gold account so I was very invested at that game at one point when it was good.

Agree. I mainly played WvW for PvP. My breaking point came with WvW when
They made conditions OP and nerfed stability
The run away or stand and range aoe the other team became the meta
Then they nerfed the warrior class (my favorite class) to the point where it was useless in WvW except as a banner b* for the commander.

The extreme RNG on the ghost dog pet during the Halloween event made me hate the game.

The final straw was Hot and needing to zerg all the content to progreys on top of having to rinse and repeat the same boring fetch this events to level up.

I got back into and increased my playtime in ESO at that point and havent looked back.

Lexxypwns

If you want competitive, balanced, PVP ESO is not the place for you.


That being said, I haven't played GW2 so I've got no point of reference

Waffennacht

I don't understand why anyone would play a game with pre fab choices.

If you want that there is quite literally a million plus fps to choose from.

If you want fantasy and to actually have an impact on what you're doing Eso is the way to go.

Any other game is, "whom got their cross hair on that dot first wins"

Durham

ESO pvp is very solid ... the biggest problem is lag.. This is the overall failure from ZOS in fixing an issue that existed since the light patch 2 months after release....

g00gleyes

ive played gw2 for a long time, and I'm switching to eso. wvw was my game mode, well gvg was but it never got any official attention despite being in THE ACTUAL NAME OF THE GAME. all the good guilds are gone, what is mostly left are karma trains in primetime. check out gw2wvw.net there are some good times too. you will be able to find some roamers if you are lucky, but they are most likely running some ultra cheese build. that being said, from looking at all of these passive proc sets, pvp in eso is going to be frustrating as hell but it seems there are at least people here. idk. seems developers don't know how to make games anymore. its sad really, its pretty simple from my pov, assuming you have the resources.

Olen_Mikko

I do like ESO more in overall, but GW2's WvW is much more enjoyable than ESO PvP for couple of reasons:

1. Server Performance

Even with full 3 faction at stone castle's yard, there's little to none lag and performance issues.

2. Smaller map

Some people may not agree, but i don't like Cyrodiil, as it way too big and 90% of its environment is empty. There's constant battles going on in eternal battlegrounds of GW2 and because of smaller maps, there's usually enough time to arrive and defend own keeps.

3. Class balance

While this is not perfect in any game, overall class balance in GW2 is much better than ESO. Now i haven't been playing for several months, but when i did play, similar to ESO's unkillable permablock (as there's no blocking in GW2) builds did not exist.

What ESO did/does better than GW2?

- Theorycrafting and way more versatile builds, as you have freedom of choice regarding weapons / armor / skills.
- Small scale fights. GW2 is more a full on leaded group raiding after each others, with small scale usually missing, you can find smaller fights in ESO, even at peak hours in Trueflame

_adhyffbjjjf12

I play GW2 (but plan to return my sub to ESO if it gets morrowind right:

GW2:

Much much better performance (this is the killer between the two of them)
gfx are gorgeous
very active
skills very responsive
good pop.
power capped/level playing ground.
good arena

ESO

gorgeous gfx, world has a great feel to it
better siege
new battlegrounds has great potential


the major issue with the latter is performance and how it impact combat, if zenimax fxed this it would be the best wvw mmorpg out there.

hassubhai

*** no dont pvp in eso worst *** ever.

Rhaegar75

At the moment I'd go for TESO. The main reasons are:

1: AvA (TESO) feels more epic vs WvW (GW2) making me feel like I'm grinding doors/walls

2. WvW is more 'blob' focused.....we conquer a map...they come and free it...and we conquer it again: quite rinse and repeat

3. Classes are not as balanced as in TESO...in my opinion

4. GW2 allows less theorycrafting than TESO: way to many FoTM classes and builds; I feel restricted by not being able to access any weapons and armours

5. at the moment WvW is very imbalanced with some uber servers taking over

6. WvW seems a bit empty at the moment



However I find WvW better than AvA for the following:

1. smaller maps

2. servers lagging less

Grebcol

When ZoS would fix the lag and ban the lazy crap like Procsets and Immortals..... then i would say, ESO would be similiar and in some points even better than GW 2. But in the actual state Gw 2 is a bit better in terms of combat.

Durham

I think pvp in ESO has enormous potential... but one day I hope lag is fixed still waiting!

Angus

Durham wrote: »

I think pvp in ESO has enormous potential... but one day I hope lag is fixed still waiting!

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

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However I find WvW better than AvA for the following:
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2. servers lagging less

Not sure if they've improved the WvW lag, but worth mentioning that back when I WvW'd, the lag was unreal compared to ESO.

Stonemist battles = 100 players zerging around a room auto-attacking for five minutes because literally nobody could use any skill. That's not hyperbole or exaggeration, that was something my guild strategized for. But it was was still fun.

Point being, I hope they improve ESO lag... but with how the internets/computers work, ESO is doing pretty good even when compared to similar games.

Nellzer

Hexyl wrote: »

If you want good pvp. Stay on WoW.

Don't be abused by all of those "great master pvp" who make vids arounds there. Is just totally about gear who do everything for you and Addon / Macro.

Uh, what? There's a lot broken/needing work in ESO PvP (always has been, always will be: that's MMO PvP in general), but what about gear, addons and macros doing everything for you? Nobody uses macros... yes, they can help to perfect a combo without the potential for human error, but that alone won't bring someone from a poor/average player to good/great.

I'd say there's a modest skill-ceiling for most builds, allowing outplay mechanics to trump all of which you mentioned. Go watch a top-tier streamer PvP. You'll see them rack up 100+ kills before they die once.