Magicka Sorcerer DW PvP Build - Riddick

XvarleyX

Anyone else been brave enough to go open world with duel wield/destro?

Completely solid in small groups, and works well solo when adjusted to the playstyle. I go a little hard with my resources in this clip, but solo you can be much more mindful with your kiting etc.

Just play around with stam recovery glyphs and warlord CP for the conversion, and try things out like radiant/elusive/rune for mitigation in rough situs.

https://youtu.be/Uxr_uNZA7T0

psychotic13

Entropy, hardened Ward and the Familiar tend to proc the frag enough for me, although it is a good idea and would be more consistent, I'm now using daedric tomb on the back bar and its actually not bad aslong as you don't try and spam it cause it's expensive. I'll try get some clips while using it.

psychotic13

XvarleyX wrote: »

Anyone else been brave enough to go open world with duel wield/destro?

Completely solid in small groups, and works well solo when adjusted to the playstyle. I go a little hard with my resources in this clip, but solo you can be much more mindful with your kiting etc.

Just play around with stam recovery glyphs and warlord CP for the conversion, and try things out like radiant/elusive/rune for mitigation in rough situs.

https://youtu.be/Uxr_uNZA7T0

You must be Xbox EU, I recognise Icles haha

I've tried it, and it is very powerful no doubt. The Destro ult with DW is lethal. I used it for 1 or 2 of the clips in my video. The only drawback is being able to heal reliably that's why I feel it works a lot better in small groups when you can get some off heals from your allies. I use a the Familiar on my build but I tried the twilight when I went with Destro so I could heal it was decent in small scale but when there was a Zerg that twilight will just fly off and get killed, it has hardly no health either.

How reliable do you find surge and conversion for healing? The annoying thing about conversion is that it doesn't scale with anything, though it probably wouldn't be bad if you were using vitality pots.

XvarleyX

Yeah Xbox Eu

I enjjoy the length of power surge which is the main reason i use it. Conversion heals fairly nicely, around 4800, 7000+ if you run lingering health pots.

I think its much more stressful to run solo without the healing ward. But i've had some quality fights where elusive mist has taken the brunt of the damage from ults etc, and gave me time to buff and bomb, or single guys out.

The build i'm running has 0 sustain so it would be useless duel wise (i am also useless duel wise), but i think sets could be swapped out for sure and some of the pros could make it work.

psychotic13

XvarleyX wrote: »

Yeah Xbox Eu

I enjjoy the length of power surge which is the main reason i use it. Conversion heals fairly nicely, around 4800, 7000+ if you run lingering health pots.

I think its much more stressful to run solo without the healing ward. But i've had some quality fights where elusive mist has taken the brunt of the damage from ults etc, and gave me time to buff and bomb, or single guys out.

The build i'm running has 0 sustain so it would be useless duel wise (i am also useless duel wise), but i think sets could be swapped out for sure and some of the pros could make it work.

What set up are you running out of curiosity? Yeah solo I feel healing Ward is a must, if you got several people beating on you it's unlikely you'll have the time to dark exchange unless you're with a small group to take some of the aggro off you

Izaki

Minalan wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

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Lord-Otto wrote: »

Yup. What immediately springs to my mind is how much weaker your frag must be on the back bar. At this point, a destro build would already be better.

He doesn't cast it from back bar, just slots it on both bars for maximum proc chance. I've done it in the past to see how it goes. It was alright.

Gotcha!

It's actually pretty clever. It eats up the extra slot that you already gain back by not using force pulse. So all of your back bar activity (streak, healing ward, shields, curse, whatever) will proc a frag you can then empower on the main bar.

At this point you can use your resto as the main bar and then just have massive burst when you're ready for it, just like Blobsky's magblade build. I've always wanted to try it, but I never have the bar space for it. Especially now that I found a way to fit in Bound Aegis and Inner Light on my bars lol.

Minalan

XvarleyX wrote: »

Anyone else been brave enough to go open world with duel wield/destro?

Completely solid in small groups, and works well solo when adjusted to the playstyle. I go a little hard with my resources in this clip, but solo you can be much more mindful with your kiting etc.

Just play around with stam recovery glyphs and warlord CP for the conversion, and try things out like radiant/elusive/rune for mitigation in rough situs.

https://youtu.be/Uxr_uNZA7T0

I've used dark deal instead as a heal before. It worked, but it leaves you too exposed to interrupts and executes. I used dark deal, because stam was too precious a commodity running by myself to run Exchange, but I always had plenty of Magicka.

I have a lich sharpened destro staff I'm saving for the day they make dark deal a decent long running HOT instead of the stamina sorc "feel awesome" sustain tool it is now. Until then, it's healing ward.

psychotic13

Minalan wrote: »

XvarleyX wrote: »

Anyone else been brave enough to go open world with duel wield/destro?

Completely solid in small groups, and works well solo when adjusted to the playstyle. I go a little hard with my resources in this clip, but solo you can be much more mindful with your kiting etc.

Just play around with stam recovery glyphs and warlord CP for the conversion, and try things out like radiant/elusive/rune for mitigation in rough situs.

https://youtu.be/Uxr_uNZA7T0

I've used dark deal instead as a heal before. It worked, but it leaves you too exposed to interrupts and executes. I used dark deal, because stam was too precious a commodity running by myself to run Exchange, but I always had plenty of Magicka.

I have a lich sharpened destro staff I'm saving for the day they make dark deal a decent long running HOT instead of the stamina sorc "feel awesome" sustain tool it is now. Until then, it's healing ward.

Yeah I tried dark exchange as my main heal before, but like you said it does leave you to exposed, especially if you're running solo it's suicidal at times.

I tried a few different things to make it better like some CP into blessed, vitality pots and even using 5pc healers habit with the 5th piece on the back bar so I'd get minor mending when using it (and a powered trait weapon). It was alright but you couldn't soly rely on it.

XvarleyX

psychotic13 wrote: »

XvarleyX wrote: »

Yeah Xbox Eu

I enjjoy the length of power surge which is the main reason i use it. Conversion heals fairly nicely, around 4800, 7000+ if you run lingering health pots.

I think its much more stressful to run solo without the healing ward. But i've had some quality fights where elusive mist has taken the brunt of the damage from ults etc, and gave me time to buff and bomb, or single guys out.

The build i'm running has 0 sustain so it would be useless duel wise (i am also useless duel wise), but i think sets could be swapped out for sure and some of the pros could make it work.

What set up are you running out of curiosity? Yeah solo I feel healing Ward is a must, if you got several people beating on you it's unlikely you'll have the time to dark exchange unless you're with a small group to take some of the aggro off you

Spellweave, Grothdarr and Vicious Death. Apologies for videos i feel it best demonstrates though.
The whole idea around the build is for this..

https://youtu.be/FabW4r6VSR4

I Guess its all server relevant but if you have 3-4 top DPS hitting you i find healing ward to be just as effective as elusive mist, you still dont get a heal at the end..

But you have 75% mitigation through elusive, and if your stam recovery is in check that green bar fills nicely. throw those filthy restore stam, increase stam cost poisons on the back bar and you can convert for days.

Ult gen isnt a problem when you get it back almost instantly.

Croblasta

I know this is a PvP build, but any suggestions for modifications for PvE while keeping DW on both bars and using the necropetance set?

It looks like a lot of fun!

psychotic13

XvarleyX wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

XvarleyX wrote: »

Yeah Xbox Eu

I enjjoy the length of power surge which is the main reason i use it. Conversion heals fairly nicely, around 4800, 7000+ if you run lingering health pots.

I think its much more stressful to run solo without the healing ward. But i've had some quality fights where elusive mist has taken the brunt of the damage from ults etc, and gave me time to buff and bomb, or single guys out.

The build i'm running has 0 sustain so it would be useless duel wise (i am also useless duel wise), but i think sets could be swapped out for sure and some of the pros could make it work.

What set up are you running out of curiosity? Yeah solo I feel healing Ward is a must, if you got several people beating on you it's unlikely you'll have the time to dark exchange unless you're with a small group to take some of the aggro off you

Spellweave, Grothdarr and Vicious Death. Apologies for videos i feel it best demonstrates though.
The whole idea around the build is for this..

https://youtu.be/FabW4r6VSR4

I Guess its all server relevant but if you have 3-4 top DPS hitting you i find healing ward to be just as effective as elusive mist, you still dont get a heal at the end..

But you have 75% mitigation through elusive, and if your stam recovery is in check that green bar fills nicely. throw those filthy restore stam, increase stam cost poisons on the back bar and you can convert for days.

Ult gen isnt a problem when you get it back almost instantly.

Nice vid, and grothdarr the Destro ult and VD is a pretty lethal combination. I have all the pieces already so I may give it a try tonight see how it goes.

psychotic13

Croblasta wrote: »

I know this is a PvP build, but any suggestions for modifications for PvE while keeping DW on both bars and using the necropetance set?

It looks like a lot of fun!

For PvE I personally wouldn't use DW, but if you wanted to try it I guess you would need to keep the destruction staff on the back bar. Swap alchemist and willpower for Llambris (monster set) and a 5pc that you like.

Dark exchange is easily good enough for PvE so you don't need a restoration staff. You'd want to keep the Destro for blockade and the ult though I guess, since they're both great in PvE too.

Croblasta

Can you explain the difference between front bar/back bar and what abilities you you want on each? Is the idea to spend as little time as possible on the back bar where you have your buffs/dots?

I've only been playing since 1T so most of those concepts are new to me. Appreciate the help!

psychotic13

Croblasta wrote: »

Can you explain the difference between front bar/back bar and what abilities you you want on each? Is the idea to spend as little time as possible on the back bar where you have your buffs/dots?

I've only been playing since 1T so most of those concepts are new to me. Appreciate the help!

Yeah since with DW you'll have 12 set slots, it allows you to have x2 5pc sets active and a monster set while on this bar. When you swap the the back bar (Resto/Destro) you'll only have 11 active set slots so you lose one of the 5pc bonuses while on that bar.

So to spend the most active time on your DW bar (DW also gives more damage than a staff) you want to try and keep your long duration abilities, buffs and dots as you said on the back bar. While you have your instant cast abilitys on front bar. Hopefully that made sense to you.

Waffennacht

Croblasta wrote: »

Can you explain the difference between front bar/back bar and what abilities you you want on each? Is the idea to spend as little time as possible on the back bar where you have your buffs/dots?

I've only been playing since 1T so most of those concepts are new to me. Appreciate the help!

You have a main bar : typically DW or destro (for a mag sorc see above discussions about which and why) you set up, typically for sorcs: Frag, Curse, Ward etc... your "spammable" attacks - pretty much everything you wanna kill with

Back bar (your second weapon set) typically for sorcs it's resto staff (or dw or SnB) this bar you swap to only when you need to: typically you have Power Surge, Boundless storm etc things that last a long time (20 secs etc) and heals. You hit buffs and stick to main bar until you need to heal or buff again.

This is more true for PvP where timing and consistency is more important. For PvE I put the longe DoTs and buffs on the backbar.

Some builds that go something like DW and destro have offensive abilities on both bars

Did that help at all @Croblasta ?

Croblasta

Absolutely! Thank you both and this thread has been extremely helpful!

Dracane

From a pvp perspective, the destruction skill line is not good.
Because it contains mostly low dps abilities, with the motto of "Lots of low damage=much damage" this works well in pve, but pvp is all about quick damage and burst and D staff simply doesn't have this.

Now we finally have Elemental Storm, which is a great tool in pvp. I use it as a key to make it possible to wipe bigger groups (which is harder than ever before with all these Templar buffs and the high tankiness of the population and high damage from proc sets.) on my own. Stamina builds have insane burst, magicka doesn't. Only fools die to a single elemental storm, especially when they have 1 or more healers in their group. It's far from being overpowered, it's exactly in the right spot and the only viable destruction ability for pvp.