1T... the best update for PVP so far.

WarLord2905

Kutsuu wrote: »

I do agree that PVP is more balanced than it's been in any of my previous stints playing this game. People *always* have rosy glasses for stuff that happened a long time ago. I'm running a no-proc medium armor stamina build and having very competitive fights with proc users, magicka builds, etc. You'd think this was utterly impossible if you read these forums without playing the game.

100% agree. In a 1v1 these proc sets aren't as bad as they are made out to be on these forums. People are going on about multiple people procing them at the same time. If you have multiple people attacking you chances are your going to die anyway. I think people are just butthurt that they can't take on small or large groups anymore and maybe survive. Guess what you shouldn't be able to....... unless your a tank and I have been playing against plenty of good tanks in PVP lately. Not much damage but can stand in the middle of EOTS and laugh.

Alucardo

I was half way through reading this thread, but then my nose started bleeding

HoloYoitsu

Alucardo wrote: »

I was half way through reading this thread, but then my nose started bleeding

It gave you a lobotomy?

icontrive

What's sad is zos will probably read this post over all the other balance threads and think 'Balance is fine guys!"

Kutsuu

icontrive wrote: »

What's sad is zos will probably read this post over all the other balance threads and think 'Balance is fine guys!"

I don't think anyone said balance is fine, just that in the mess of balance this game has been since release it's better than in the past.

loki547

Kutsuu wrote: »

But then you have blazplars who can and will drop whole zergs of idiots given the opportunity.

WarLord2905

Kutsuu wrote: »

icontrive wrote: »

What's sad is zos will probably read this post over all the other balance threads and think 'Balance is fine guys!"

I don't think anyone said balance is fine, just that in the mess of balance this game has been since release it's better than in the past.

^^That^^

silky_soft

WarLord2905 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks 1T was the best thing that happened to PVP in a longtime. Despite all the complaining about proc sets and eye of the storm I think PVP is the most balanced it's been in a while. The proc sets are annoying but I don't find it hard to kill someone wearing them and eye of the storm is easy enough to avoid as the person is often running at you with a giant cloud above their head LOL. People playing tanks are actually tanks and seem to do very little damage but take half an army to kill, big damage dealers are squishy if caught without shields which is easy to do with shield changes. Nightblades gank, I am ok with this, that's what they are there for and are often killed quickly when caught in stealth or mess up their burst combo and don't kill someone, healers heal and provide de-buffs and damage support. I find 1v1 a lot more balanced than previous updates as I had zero chance of winning 1v1 against Stam builds after darkbrotherhood but with no changes to my gear that's no longer the case. I only play mag sorc, magblade and Templar healer. (Just incase people think I am a Stam meta build). Also the removal of doors on the resource towers...... Best decision ever. Dont change anything Zos.

wrobel is that you?

Rohamad_Ali

Alucardo wrote: »

I was half way through reading this thread, but then my nose started bleeding

Well .. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion . Even if reading through that opinion causes stress cracks in my teeth .

pcar944

DHale wrote: »

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

this

everyone wanted Stam Sorc - and its now best class in game

everyone wants mDK to be fixed - and it will be - OP again

my buckets are ready for all the tears

Biro123

I found with procsets on my stamsorc, both using them and getting hit by them, they didn't seem too bad either way.

But on my magsorc, they tear down shields so quickly that one CC with procs = shields gone and dead before you can break that CC and recast. No need to drain your stam first anymore. Death recaps often show 6k viper hits (not 3k) and veli much, much higher - although that's probably part my fault for not running much impen - need to farm more.

But yeah, I just think that proc sets shouldn't crit. I think that's all that's needed to even out the damage spikes a bit. Does bug me a bit as a magsorc, built for burst that to set up my burst means using 3-4 abilities, that give the enemy a nice purple clue to block/dodge/reflect etc. Its soo rare that I get that full burst combo off - and that's on a class and build made just for that.. yet proc sets... so much burst, with no set up and so easy to do.

But yeah, in some ways, I agree with the op.. there is a kind of balance there at the moment between stam/magicka, classes tanks/dps etc.. The problem is that its all down to a few sets/builds. There needs to be more build diversity - sets need to be more equal. Not the same - just more equal in effectiveness - I mean just look at Ashen Grip next to Viper..

Lord-Otto

DHale wrote: »

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

Only that I've been hit for 7k stings and incapped for 12k. Undoubtfully crits, because being a mag sorc, I am running the vastly overpowered divine traits to compliment my shields. You are just severely underestimating the potency of the meta.
On top of that, while good players generally can beat weaker ones, you'll notice how they too, adjust to the meta every single update. It's been a while since I've been wiped by Vicious Death, for example. Because it's not meta anymore and the good players have adjusted.
Meta is real and so are imbalances. They need to get tuned instead of just eloquently phrasing "l2p".

Lord-Otto

WarLord2905 wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

^^^^Exactly^^^^

Well, then you shouldn't have problems with the nerf of proc sets and the buff of magicka.

IlCanis_LupuslI

AzuraKin wrote: »

please tell me how tanks tank in pvp? block? 8p sturdy full heavy + 3 block cost reduction s/b 100 points block cost reduction = rapid drain of stamina when 3+ people are hitting you.

removing doors on resource towers bad *** moving. removing doors on resource towers is like removing doors to keep outer/inner. and healing being balanced? healing is the weakest role in pvp now.

For real man..... With all the burst sets( caught, caught, proc builds + eye of Storm) the best defence is sticking with your group preferably in the middle and if some dude gets through hope either Phoenix or Remembrance is ready to absorbe that proc burst....

DHale

Lord-Otto wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

Only that I've been hit for 7k stings and incapped for 12k. Undoubtfully crits, because being a mag sorc, I am running the vastly overpowered divine traits to compliment my shields. You are just severely underestimating the potency of the meta.
On top of that, while good players generally can beat weaker ones, you'll notice how they too, adjust to the meta every single update. It's been a while since I've been wiped by Vicious Death, for example. Because it's not meta anymore and the good players have adjusted.
Meta is real and so are imbalances. They need to get tuned instead of just eloquently phrasing "l2p".

On PC NA there are literally four good sorcs... yes just four the rest can be stunned so that their shields are down by the time they can break out of it. The rest are just ap. I cannot speak to your platform... magic sorc is fine in group being a negate monkey with destro ult but it's the opposite of meta.

Derra

I like the patch over any other once since 1.6 with the exception of eye of the storm and some proccsets.

I personally have the feeling this patch would be (we all know it´s not going to happen) the easiest to fix pvp in for the devs.