Destro Staff Ulti
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.
That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...
The theoretical other options are run snb, blocking is not underpowered AT ALL, its just not worth giving up the strongest ability in the game for.
There's no justification for not running destro ulti atm, literally every magika build should have a destro staff on in pvp or you're choosing to severely gimp yourself and while I think its great that destro is suddenly viable again, I don't think this is the correct way to make that happen. With BSW proc and Necro I've got a ~13k tooltip, over 50% crit, AND you can pop the ulti, use mist form, still put out the insane damage, then just bar swap and execute low health targets. That's not even mentioning that if you cloak it removes the whole red circle for the duration...
Mist form and cloak are bugs with the ult that need to be fixed.
Sort of like infernal guardian. It's overpowered because of the bugs, not the proc.
mist isnt a bug, all player based aoe effects deal damage while in mist form. That's intended behavior.
The damage is flat broken. Let's look at a hypothetical light armor mageblade running 5 spinners 5 necro. This gives you a tooltip of about 9k on a 50% crit build with 14k pen and major breach, with a crusher enchant that's 20k pen. Most players are around 25k spell resist, meaning they mitigate approximately 8%. That's 8280, unblockable aoe damage per second. Its not unreasonable to be able to output 70k aoe damage while having full control of your character to do further damage, gap close, shield stack, etc. If you can't look at that and see its totally broken idk what to tell you.
Edit: I just want to add, I only play magika. Even with a biased view I can see this is broken, why can't others be so open.Edited by Lexxypwns on 21 November 2016 16:515 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerf everything and make everyone carebears if it isn't roll doge , Rd , proc sets it's almost like some people aren't happy unless they moaning about something1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You know what? Sure nerf it, add another 50% cost increase to streak, make ward last 3 seconds, increase magicka costs and reduce magicka regen, remove light armor resist all together.
Increase proc set availability, increase stam regen, make db stam based, make SA deal 50% less damage.
Make it where you choose a sorc or nb and the game turns off.
Happy now?Edited by Waffennacht on 21 November 2016 19:1210 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.5 -
Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭i destroyed a few raids last night using this. this ultimate is a pug breaker. organized groups can mitigate the dmg easily and move out of the way since they are running expedition anyway.
the general chat pugs group are AP fodder if they cant run a bit more organized.Edited by Malamar1229 on 21 November 2016 23:432 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.Edited by Minalan on 22 November 2016 00:257 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.2 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Only if those 20 people sit in a huge convenient stacked blob. If that's the case, you get no sympathy from me. Spread out some, it's not a long enough ult to swallow a group with some distance.
I can hear the next blubbering response now. "But but but but... gap closers!"
Show me the gap closer than can close with 20 different people at the same time going in different directions?
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
Of course thats exactly what I was saying cause am dumb as ....
Let me explain so M.Intelligent.
It was a group of 10/20 poeople running in close pack constantly with 3/4 of them with destro ulti up.
There wasn a once of skill involved, as as soon as they were w/o ulti they would wipe like magic, but meanwhile it was the most boring pvp that I ever saw.
The only thing you see theses days in Ciro is those clouds (and clowns) running around ...0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Overtime I see a thread about nerfing this ultimate, I think back to the days where everyone was crying about how crap it was on the PTS. Nonetheless, I played around with it for a few days before going back to dual wield on my sorc and dropping my 20k meteors and being a negate-bot. While I wouldn't say that its extremely OP as it has a 2 second telegraph and it is possible to get out of it. After all, it is an ultimate which means that if you don't avoid it well you die. What if you don't block an Ice Comet and then just stand in the AoE ground DoT? 1-shot. For some classes it is definitely hard to get out of it, magicka DKs or magicka Templars (but Mist Form is on your bar for a reason right? and if you don't have it then why on earth are you making a magicka build with 0 mobility?), stamina DKs and stamina Templars will definitely have a hard time. So 50% of the specs are at a disadvantage when facing Eye of the Storm.
I say, give Eye of the Storm the Balista treatment. More ticks, less damage per tick = less burst, same damage. I reckon 2 extra seconds is enough of a nerf.
Keep in mind that this ultimate is only good in organized groups, meaning that you will be rooted, you will be stunned, you will be negated and you will eat a couple of Dawnbreakers, Meteors and Eyes of the Storm. At that point, you just can't complain that you died, because even that tanky dude with 70k health has no chance too.
In small scale, Meteor is more effective in my opinion.@ Izaki #PCEU
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like it when you have 5 all in different flavours on your death recap.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Maybe those 20 people should move out of the way or not zerg.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Maybe those 20 people should move out of the way or not zerg.
Changed the subject from op ult to strategic combat. Nice. Not because its hitting harder then anything else in the game. Its cheapening the game yet people defend it. Crazy2 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Maybe those 20 people should move out of the way or not zerg.
Changed the subject from op ult to strategic combat. Nice. Not because its hitting harder then anything else in the game. Its cheapening the game yet people defend it. Crazy
Unblocked Meteor = 1 shot. Just sayin.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.
Did you just suggest to make Nova good outside of fighting a PvE Trial boss? Stop talking nonsense,Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.
A useful Nova....hmm...that's interesting. But Stamina is already so handicapped against Magicka from what I read on these forums, it would be cruel and game-breaking to lock them out of their stam-based skills.0 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.
So you're saying it's overpowered because it'll kill anyone who stands in it like a moron, but all these noob viper/tremor stam metas running around abusing a bugged set 1 hit insta killing people isan't overpowered?
You don't see a new thread about vipers/tremor every 5 min like you do the destroy ult, which means you are one of those noobs standing in the ult and crying when you die, get over yourself.Edited by Maikon on 22 November 2016 22:182 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvP is not dying off .
I know almost every pvp regular who´s not exclusively running in zergs by name by now.
I´d say that´s an indicator for dead pvp if you can remember most opponents by name ; /.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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What's funny is that I didn't even know about weapon ults. I don't play much anymore and this was the first time seeing this ability. I was hit with a 27K one that same day too. Haha. I should have read the forums before dusting off ESO.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 5 October 2025 18:38"IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations1 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.
Holy hell negate doesnt stop it?1 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭lol. They need to stop with stupid ass fancy spells and highly and empower the basic mechanics of the game.
We didn't need Prox Det or the Destro Ult, we needed the bloody siege to work appropriately and actually hurt when you shoot someone.
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SRASinister✭✭✭The funniest thing happened the other night. The blue emp in scourge xbox na uses a destro ulti and so does his ball group. He popped his and so did a buddy and they instantly died because he walked in between two blazing shield builds with 70k health.Xbox One NA: Sins of Daemons6 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheBonesXXX wrote: »lol. They need to stop with stupid ass fancy spells and highly and empower the basic mechanics of the game.
We didn't need Prox Det or the Destro Ult, we needed the bloody siege to work appropriately and actually hurt when you shoot someone.
Yeah because only hammering your mousebutton in a siege is so much fun.
Siege does hurt - anyone not playing in a large grp.
When they balance siege to combat large grps it annihilates everyone else (not standing in perma healingsprings). That should not be the case. It´s even worse gameplay than the destro ult.
Why not "empower" mechanics where you actually have to play the game? Like ground aoes (i´m sure some clever developer can come up with a way to make them vaible in pvp @Wrobel - my wall of elements still doesn´t melt anything).
Why not make some ground aoe effects apply healing debuffs as a form of area denial?
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AlexTech0x✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.
That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...
The theoretical other options are run snb, blocking is not underpowered AT ALL, its just not worth giving up the strongest ability in the game for.
There's no justification for not running destro ulti atm, literally every magika build should have a destro staff on in pvp or you're choosing to severely gimp yourself and while I think its great that destro is suddenly viable again, I don't think this is the correct way to make that happen. With BSW proc and Necro I've got a ~13k tooltip, over 50% crit, AND you can pop the ulti, use mist form, still put out the insane damage, then just bar swap and execute low health targets. That's not even mentioning that if you cloak it removes the whole red circle for the duration...
Mist form and cloak are bugs with the ult that need to be fixed.
Sort of like infernal guardian. It's overpowered because of the bugs, not the proc.
mist isnt a bug, all player based aoe effects deal damage while in mist form. That's intended behavior.
The damage is flat broken. Let's look at a hypothetical light armor mageblade running 5 spinners 5 necro. This gives you a tooltip of about 9k on a 50% crit build with 14k pen and major breach, with a crusher enchant that's 20k pen. Most players are around 25k spell resist, meaning they mitigate approximately 8%. That's 8280, unblockable aoe damage per second. Its not unreasonable to be able to output 70k aoe damage while having full control of your character to do further damage, gap close, shield stack, etc. If you can't look at that and see its totally broken idk what to tell you.
Edit: I just want to add, I only play magika. Even with a biased view I can see this is broken, why can't others be so open.[snip]
Now that's what i call balance. Ah meaby the other skills are underpowered...
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SilentBoomstick✭✭✭Meanwhile PvE is awesome.
At launch:
- PvE was terrible
- PvP was fantastic and 10/10 amazing (200+ player perfectly smooth battles)
Now:
- PvE is really good
- PvP is a mess and the population is dying off
I usually enter PvP after each update for about a week just to see what it offers only to see that it's still garbage with the same old cancer builds everyone uses, no creativity whatsoever. Then I just stay in PvE the rest of the update.
- Lag is still an issue
- Zerging needs to go
- People need to come up with their own builds in PvP1 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭AlexTech0x wrote: »Meanwhile PvE is awesome.
At launch:
- PvE was terrible
- PvP was fantastic and 10/10 amazing (200+ player perfectly smooth battles)
Now:
- PvE is really good
- PvP is a mess and the population is dying off
This.
Actually its really bad to be having fun and then when you are into the game PUF! An eye kills every1 in 2 seconds.
But imo a skill that hits the same on bosses with 5m hp and Players with 20k hp will NEVER be balanced.
Well as healer i can heal my group though any eye of Storm, if an emperor does it with proxydet vicious death and sap essence ... its simply evil... Even 3 full healing builds hitting their ultimate can't heal through that man.... Its just .... Brutal ...
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