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Destro Staff Ulti, wtf?
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AlexTech0x✭✭✭AlexTech0x wrote: »Nerf this, seriously. Yes i know Magicka users finally got something to play with, but there is always a 20k+ DMG Ulti when the rest does 10k together. It just ruins it.
destro staff ult 4.5k a tick * 7s = 31500 damage at zero reduction other then pvp reduction. someone running only 15% cp mage reduction would then only take 26775 damage. if a tick critical's it should do less damage then when it doesnt critical or either you or your healers are not properly built.
now comparison: 250 ult for 31500 damage vs 150 ult for 13.5-15k dw (25-27k 16s morph). and that just 1 ultimate. shall we get into say assassin for nb that does 8k + grants 20% more damage to that target for 6s for 50 ult (40k damage alone from ult over 5 casts). sry to tell ya but it aint op. it dont need nerfed. you just need to learn how to play the game and stop getting butthurt every time you get killed.
Hahahahahaha, it's actually very funny how you claim that people cant or dont know how to play based on a skill.
Dude you need to get out of your nerd chair and see things how they are. A lot of people complains about this.
Your stupid comment reminds me of King's video about proc sets and Dubzug, you should see it.2 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.
That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...
The theoretical other options are run snb, blocking is not underpowered AT ALL, its just not worth giving up the strongest ability in the game for.
There's no justification for not running destro ulti atm, literally every magika build should have a destro staff on in pvp or you're choosing to severely gimp yourself and while I think its great that destro is suddenly viable again, I don't think this is the correct way to make that happen. With BSW proc and Necro I've got a ~13k tooltip, over 50% crit, AND you can pop the ulti, use mist form, still put out the insane damage, then just bar swap and execute low health targets. That's not even mentioning that if you cloak it removes the whole red circle for the duration...
Mist form and cloak are bugs with the ult that need to be fixed.
Sort of like infernal guardian. It's overpowered because of the bugs, not the proc.4 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.
That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...
The theoretical other options are run snb, blocking is not underpowered AT ALL, its just not worth giving up the strongest ability in the game for.
There's no justification for not running destro ulti atm, literally every magika build should have a destro staff on in pvp or you're choosing to severely gimp yourself and while I think its great that destro is suddenly viable again, I don't think this is the correct way to make that happen. With BSW proc and Necro I've got a ~13k tooltip, over 50% crit, AND you can pop the ulti, use mist form, still put out the insane damage, then just bar swap and execute low health targets. That's not even mentioning that if you cloak it removes the whole red circle for the duration...
Mist form and cloak are bugs with the ult that need to be fixed.
Sort of like infernal guardian. It's overpowered because of the bugs, not the proc.
mist isnt a bug, all player based aoe effects deal damage while in mist form. That's intended behavior.
The damage is flat broken. Let's look at a hypothetical light armor mageblade running 5 spinners 5 necro. This gives you a tooltip of about 9k on a 50% crit build with 14k pen and major breach, with a crusher enchant that's 20k pen. Most players are around 25k spell resist, meaning they mitigate approximately 8%. That's 8280, unblockable aoe damage per second. Its not unreasonable to be able to output 70k aoe damage while having full control of your character to do further damage, gap close, shield stack, etc. If you can't look at that and see its totally broken idk what to tell you.
Edit: I just want to add, I only play magika. Even with a biased view I can see this is broken, why can't others be so open.Edited by Lexxypwns on 21 November 2016 16:515 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerf everything and make everyone carebears if it isn't roll doge , Rd , proc sets it's almost like some people aren't happy unless they moaning about something1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You know what? Sure nerf it, add another 50% cost increase to streak, make ward last 3 seconds, increase magicka costs and reduce magicka regen, remove light armor resist all together.
Increase proc set availability, increase stam regen, make db stam based, make SA deal 50% less damage.
Make it where you choose a sorc or nb and the game turns off.
Happy now?Edited by Waffennacht on 21 November 2016 19:1210 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.5 -
Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭i destroyed a few raids last night using this. this ultimate is a pug breaker. organized groups can mitigate the dmg easily and move out of the way since they are running expedition anyway.
the general chat pugs group are AP fodder if they cant run a bit more organized.Edited by Malamar1229 on 21 November 2016 23:432 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.Edited by Minalan on 22 November 2016 00:257 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.2 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Only if those 20 people sit in a huge convenient stacked blob. If that's the case, you get no sympathy from me. Spread out some, it's not a long enough ult to swallow a group with some distance.
I can hear the next blubbering response now. "But but but but... gap closers!"
Show me the gap closer than can close with 20 different people at the same time going in different directions?
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
Of course thats exactly what I was saying cause am dumb as ....
Let me explain so M.Intelligent.
It was a group of 10/20 poeople running in close pack constantly with 3/4 of them with destro ulti up.
There wasn a once of skill involved, as as soon as they were w/o ulti they would wipe like magic, but meanwhile it was the most boring pvp that I ever saw.
The only thing you see theses days in Ciro is those clouds (and clowns) running around ...0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Overtime I see a thread about nerfing this ultimate, I think back to the days where everyone was crying about how crap it was on the PTS. Nonetheless, I played around with it for a few days before going back to dual wield on my sorc and dropping my 20k meteors and being a negate-bot. While I wouldn't say that its extremely OP as it has a 2 second telegraph and it is possible to get out of it. After all, it is an ultimate which means that if you don't avoid it well you die. What if you don't block an Ice Comet and then just stand in the AoE ground DoT? 1-shot. For some classes it is definitely hard to get out of it, magicka DKs or magicka Templars (but Mist Form is on your bar for a reason right? and if you don't have it then why on earth are you making a magicka build with 0 mobility?), stamina DKs and stamina Templars will definitely have a hard time. So 50% of the specs are at a disadvantage when facing Eye of the Storm.
I say, give Eye of the Storm the Balista treatment. More ticks, less damage per tick = less burst, same damage. I reckon 2 extra seconds is enough of a nerf.
Keep in mind that this ultimate is only good in organized groups, meaning that you will be rooted, you will be stunned, you will be negated and you will eat a couple of Dawnbreakers, Meteors and Eyes of the Storm. At that point, you just can't complain that you died, because even that tanky dude with 70k health has no chance too.
In small scale, Meteor is more effective in my opinion.@ Izaki #PCEU
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like it when you have 5 all in different flavours on your death recap.
"Give the potatoes something they can finally kill people with". Wrobel 2016.PC EU3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Maybe those 20 people should move out of the way or not zerg.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Maybe those 20 people should move out of the way or not zerg.
Changed the subject from op ult to strategic combat. Nice. Not because its hitting harder then anything else in the game. Its cheapening the game yet people defend it. Crazy2 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »My last death recap :
4 destro Ulti from 4 diferent players 1 proxy.
I logged out.
This destro ulti is destroying what is left of pvp.
Not even tallking about the huge lag it brings and the visual mess that let you absloutely clueless about whats going on around you.
Am magicka only.
You got hit by four ultimates.
And died.
And of course the problem is the ultimate, not the fact that oh.. FOUR PEOPLE hit you with one.
Sorry, I had to take a minute to mock this openly. Like four animation cancelled dawn-breakers would have had a different outcome.
But, those same 4 ults hit 20 people. Thats the problem. Gameplay is getting cheesy. Just because proc sets are cheesy doesnt make it alright.
Maybe those 20 people should move out of the way or not zerg.
Changed the subject from op ult to strategic combat. Nice. Not because its hitting harder then anything else in the game. Its cheapening the game yet people defend it. Crazy
Unblocked Meteor = 1 shot. Just sayin.@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.
Did you just suggest to make Nova good outside of fighting a PvE Trial boss? Stop talking nonsense,5 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.
A useful Nova....hmm...that's interesting. But Stamina is already so handicapped against Magicka from what I read on these forums, it would be cruel and game-breaking to lock them out of their stam-based skills.0 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.
So you're saying it's overpowered because it'll kill anyone who stands in it like a moron, but all these noob viper/tremor stam metas running around abusing a bugged set 1 hit insta killing people isan't overpowered?
You don't see a new thread about vipers/tremor every 5 min like you do the destroy ult, which means you are one of those noobs standing in the ult and crying when you die, get over yourself.Edited by Maikon on 22 November 2016 22:182 -
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Edited by SneaK on 22 November 2016 22:50"IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)2 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvP is not dying off .
I know almost every pvp regular who´s not exclusively running in zergs by name by now.
I´d say that´s an indicator for dead pvp if you can remember most opponents by name ; /.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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SneaK✭✭✭✭✭
What's funny is that I didn't even know about weapon ults. I don't play much anymore and this was the first time seeing this ability. I was hit with a 27K one that same day too. Haha. I should have read the forums before dusting off ESO."IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)1 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only thing that needs to happen is:
Negate needs to dispel all buffs on any enemy inside it on top of what it does now.
Got Hurricane up? step inside my Negate and its gone
Got Eye of the Storm up? Step inside my Negate and its gone
Thats all you gotta do...Destro Ultimate will still be strong, but it will have a clear counter.
Also The Templar Ultimate Nova and its morphs need to silence stamina users like Negate Silences magicka users...your dropping a Fragment of the Sun that is HIGHLY MAGNETIC...Metal Weapons and Armor become too heavy to use. If your standing inside a Nova, you can't use your Stamina based Skills or Weapon Skills.
So Stam users can stand inside Negates and still use their Stma Skills
Magicka Users can stand inside of Nova's and Still use their magic skills
Thats balanced and fair. Right now Magic can be completely shut down, while stam can't...that's simply not fair.It needs to be changed.
Holy hell negate doesnt stop it?1 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭lol. They need to stop with stupid ass fancy spells and highly and empower the basic mechanics of the game.
We didn't need Prox Det or the Destro Ult, we needed the bloody siege to work appropriately and actually hurt when you shoot someone.
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