Destro Staff Ulti, wtf?

AlexTech0x

Nerf this, seriously. Yes i know Magicka users finally got something to play with, but there is always a 20k+ DMG Ulti when the rest does 10k together. It just ruins it.

White wabbit

Another thread about this just what we need

W0lf_z13

there are multiple threads already on this forum from stam users asking for a nerf of the ult......which i find hilarious coming from people who run proc sets

AlexTech0x

I am a healer, does it make it any better?
If there are many threads that means something doesn't it?

White wabbit

Not really as not everyone has an issue with it

AlexTech0x

That means it's dmg is in place? Right. You judge well my friend.

W0lf_z13

no... it costs ALOT for an ult.... there is a 2 second channel for it and if ur in pvp u can easily get out of the way of it... unless ur up against a group that has a dk rooting u and a sorc negating u... in this case ur bound to die anyway so its not just the destro ult ud be dying from

AlexTech0x

You are right, im a noob. Forget this thread it needs nothing.
Dude you made my day.

Derra

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

White wabbit

Derra wrote: »

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

Or here's a suggestion and I know this is a bit radical just leave it as it is

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Problem is, if you get 4 - 6 people or more in a zerg spaming it, it's deadly and almost unstoppable. But if it gets nerfed for PvP, then no one will use it in PvE.

Lava_Croft

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Problem is, if you get 4 - 6 people or more in a zerg spaming it, it's deadly and almost unstoppable. But if it gets nerfed for PvP, then no one will use it in PvE.

The stationary morph is fine and I think that's the one mostly used in PvE. Complaints are about the morph that centers on and moves with the player.

Kas

If they balance this game properly, it HAS to be nerfed.. a lot.
Right now it at least creates a kind of "fairness" (certainly not balance) so that everything can be viable:
Stupid proc sets vs stupid destro ult just isn't fun but can go either way depending on the situation.

It's unbelievable how hard I have to work to separate 2-3 players from a group of 10-20 and kill them on a super carefully crafted build. On the other hand, if I play the worst build i have ever played that's basically helpless without it's ult (nothing but max destro ult damage with VD) that has zero sustain apart from spamming dark conversion on an OL bar, I could kill those three by brainlessly jumping the whole group. Who knows, I might even be lucky and kill all 20 of them... so much more likely than picking a large groups apart one by one and so much easier I don't find words to describe the difference

AlexTech0x

It shouldn't need a massive change in scripting to make it "This skill does less damage in Cyrodill" thing.
But hey, it's not on the shop so ZOS doesn't care.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Problem is, if you get 4 - 6 people or more in a zerg spaming it, it's deadly and almost unstoppable. But if it gets nerfed for PvP, then no one will use it in PvE.

The stationary morph is fine and I think that's the one mostly used in PvE. Complaints are about the morph that centers on and moves with the player.

I agree, the Eye of the Storm morph is the one causing the most problems for PvP. But the moble morph is very useful for clearing out dungeon mobs in PvE land. Like those group delves that have clusters of mobs hanging around to be killed.

Lava_Croft

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Problem is, if you get 4 - 6 people or more in a zerg spaming it, it's deadly and almost unstoppable. But if it gets nerfed for PvP, then no one will use it in PvE.

The stationary morph is fine and I think that's the one mostly used in PvE. Complaints are about the morph that centers on and moves with the player.

I agree, the Eye of the Storm morph is the one causing the most problems for PvP. But the moble morph is very useful for clearing out dungeon mobs in PvE land. Like those group delves that have clusters of mobs hanging around to be killed.

You really don't need Eye of Potato to clear such trash mobs though, that's complete overkill and a waste of Ultimate. Just wear Grothdarr or something.

Thelon

you guys are gonna deplete my stash of spiderman memes

Derra

White wabbit wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

Or here's a suggestion and I know this is a bit radical just leave it as it is

When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.

SilentBoomstick

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

there are multiple threads already on this forum from stam users asking for a nerf of the ult......which i find hilarious coming from people who run proc sets

I think I made the first post about this though.

Minalan

Derra wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

Or here's a suggestion and I know this is a bit radical just leave it as it is

When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.

That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...

Lexxypwns

Derra wrote: »

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

that's only gonna effect the scrubs that use it. Anyone with a brain is still gonna kite you into close quarters and pop it where you can't do anything about it.

I was ganking in the sewers on my magplar the other night and even when I got zerged down by 12 yellows all I had to do was kite them around with mist form and wait for destro ulti to come up. First one got 8 kills, second one got the remaining 4, GG. This ulti feels too strong, but as has been said before, idk how to fix it without making it useless.

Vaoh

If threads on OP Stamina Procs can die down, this topic will too.

Think of it this way people, ZOS will not change Stamina/Magicka based on YOUR feedback. Just let them balance as they see fit since next patch (Q1 2017 Major Patch) will be the balance patch. If they don't fix their balance and make many changes, ESO's PvP future population will literally die off. Right now only the remnants of what it once was are left anyway.

AlexTech0x

Balancing for them means make the opposite op so people are happy and stfu. Actually thats not how it works, it breaks the fun.
But eh, not surprising from ZOS either.
Same is with dungeons, their way to make it "harder" is to raise boss defenses and give them 2m more hp so yeah, they do the same here. Nothing that requires extra brain usage.

Derra

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

Or here's a suggestion and I know this is a bit radical just leave it as it is

When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.

That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...

Well we could argue that nova, standard and veil all have seen better days.
However negate is still a really good ultimate but eye of the storm simply outperforms it (and negate gets used by stamsorcs).

Vaoh

Meanwhile PvE is awesome.

At launch:

- PvE was terrible
- PvP was fantastic and 10/10 amazing (200+ player perfectly smooth battles)

Now:
- PvE is really good
- PvP is a mess and the population is dying off

Lava_Croft

Vaoh wrote: »

If threads on OP Stamina Procs can die down, this topic will too.

Think of it this way people, ZOS will not change Stamina/Magicka based on YOUR feedback. Just let them balance as they see fit since next patch (Q1 2017 Major Patch) will be the balance patch. If they don't fix their balance and make many changes, ESO's PvP future population will literally die off. Right now only the remnants of what it once was are left anyway.

The PvP population is already dying off. It's no overestimation to say that like 90% of the people in Cyrodiil are absolutely clueless casuals. This is all according to ZOS' plan by focusing on the casual players and not the more 'hardcore' MMO crowd, since they lost a lot of that crowd at launch and a lot more with their mismanagement of the past few years.

AlexTech0x

Vaoh wrote: »

Meanwhile PvE is awesome.

At launch:

- PvE was terrible
- PvP was fantastic and 10/10 amazing (200+ player perfectly smooth battles)

Now:
- PvE is really good
- PvP is a mess and the population is dying off

This.
Actually its really bad to be having fun and then when you are into the game PUF! An eye kills every1 in 2 seconds.
But imo a skill that hits the same on bosses with 5m hp and Players with 20k hp will NEVER be balanced.

Lexxypwns

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

As i post everywhere where ppl cry about destro ult:

Prohibit use of gapclose + teleport abilities while eye of the storm is active - fixed.

Or here's a suggestion and I know this is a bit radical just leave it as it is

When a skill/gearset/ability is so powerful that it becomes mandatory to use in a certain situation even though there should be theoretical alternatives (this being the important part) that skill is most likely overperforming and should not stay as is.

That. Or consider that the 'theoretical alternatives' for magicka are broken, underpowered, and too easily counter-able. Not the case for stamina however...

The theoretical other options are run snb, blocking is not underpowered AT ALL, its just not worth giving up the strongest ability in the game for.

There's no justification for not running destro ulti atm, literally every magika build should have a destro staff on in pvp or you're choosing to severely gimp yourself and while I think its great that destro is suddenly viable again, I don't think this is the correct way to make that happen. With BSW proc and Necro I've got a ~13k tooltip, over 50% crit, AND you can pop the ulti, use mist form, still put out the insane damage, then just bar swap and execute low health targets. That's not even mentioning that if you cloak it removes the whole red circle for the duration...

Durham

PvP is not dying off .

AzuraKin

AlexTech0x wrote: »

Nerf this, seriously. Yes i know Magicka users finally got something to play with, but there is always a 20k+ DMG Ulti when the rest does 10k together. It just ruins it.

destro staff ult 4.5k a tick * 7s = 31500 damage at zero reduction other then pvp reduction. someone running only 15% cp mage reduction would then only take 26775 damage. if a tick critical's it should do less damage then when it doesnt critical or either you or your healers are not properly built.

now comparison: 250 ult for 31500 damage vs 150 ult for 13.5-15k dw (25-27k 16s morph). and that just 1 ultimate. shall we get into say assassin for nb that does 8k + grants 20% more damage to that target for 6s for 50 ult (40k damage alone from ult over 5 casts). sry to tell ya but it aint op. it dont need nerfed. you just need to learn how to play the game and stop getting butthurt every time you get killed.

TrueGreenSmoker

Aaaand another one keep crying...