It's time to fix Shadow Image.

Lava_Croft

It really needs some line of sight checks. Being able to have it shoot through solid objects as well as let you teleport through solid objects has been broken for way, way too long.

thankyourat

That's working as intended, what they need to do is make to where it works 100% of the time. If I press three button to teleport I should teleport to my shade regardless of where it is, but if someone is spamming gap closers on you it a 50% chance that you won't teleport at all our even worse the gap closer will follow you to your shade. I would also like it if I didn't need a target to cast it, but that me be asking for too much

GreenSoup2HoT

It states "teleport" to your shade. So it does not require LOS checks.

You know whats not working as intended. Teleporting to someone else's shade instead of mine!

thankyourat wrote: »

I would also like it if I didn't need a target to cast it, but that me be asking for too much

Many have asked for that. It would be to overpowered honestly. At most it would be nice to have a duration increase but im not complaining, its a very solid ability.

pcar944

thankyourat wrote: »

That's working as intended, what they need to do is make to where it works 100% of the time. If I press three button to teleport I should teleport to my shade regardless of where it is, but if someone is spamming gap closers on you it a 50% chance that you won't teleport at all our even worse the gap closer will follow you to your shade. I would also like it if I didn't need a target to cast it, but that me be asking for too much

this, why its almost a waste, unless you are a real shade master

Gilvoth

my 3 requests for shadow image
1] please remove the need for a target to cast it
2] please allow the timer to teleport to it to last atleast 3 minutes instead of 3 seconds
3] please allow him to do more damage

CapuchinSeven

Personally I'd love a green circle so I can tell the range, 50% of the time I totally miss-range it and it fails.
This and the changes above would likely make it easy mode though.

LeifErickson

It's fine the way it is. No changes needed imo.

susmitds

Wut? Another magblade nerf? LoL, someone hates getting ganked.

Koolio

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

It states "teleport" to your shade. So it does not require LOS checks.

You know whats not working as intended. Teleporting to someone else's shade instead of mine!

Can we get "teleport" strike to work like that as well lol. But seriously I want to ambush onto higher platform(not keeps) like it used too before keep jumping

thankyourat wrote: »

I would also like it if I didn't need a target to cast it, but that me be asking for too much

Many have asked for that. It would be to overpowered honestly. At most it would be nice to have a duration increase but im not complaining, its a very solid ability.

Sandman929

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

my 3 requests for shadow image
1] please remove the need for a target to cast it
2] please allow the timer to teleport to it to last atleast 3 minutes instead of 3 seconds
3] please allow him to do more damage

1] Yes
2] Yes
3] .......I'm not wild about the idea of anything besides the player doing decent damage. Shade already is a fine debuff.

Needing a target needs to go though.

Lexxypwns

OP is a mageblade last I checked, just to give some perspective to future posters.

Lava_Croft

Lexxypwns wrote: »

OP is a mageblade last I checked, just to give some perspective to future posters.

Shadow Image is the reason why Nightblades, both Magicka and Stamina, have an escape ability that is far, far beyond anything else in the game. Sorcerers got a blanket nerf to their Streaking while Nightblades have Shadow Image not caring for walls, floors, ceilings, anything.

Xvorg

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Personally I'd love a green circle so I can tell the range, 50% of the time I totally miss-range it and it fails.
This and the changes above would likely make it easy mode though.

Better a red string of love

bowmanz607

Los on shooting, sure. That needs to be fixed.

Los on teleporting. I think not. It is a TELEPORT. you dont need to los a teleport.

arkansas_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

OP is a mageblade last I checked, just to give some perspective to future posters.

Shadow Image is the reason why Nightblades, both Magicka and Stamina, have an escape ability that is far, far beyond anything else in the game. Sorcerers got a blanket nerf to their Streaking while Nightblades have Shadow Image not caring for walls, floors, ceilings, anything.

Streak also doesn't require a target and is spammable, while Shade does require a target and you can only teleport to a shade once. It's also very easy to just leave a Rearming Trap at the shade and wait for the NB to port into it, Streak is less predictable in that regard.

GreenSoup2HoT

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

OP is a mageblade last I checked, just to give some perspective to future posters.

Shadow Image is the reason why Nightblades, both Magicka and Stamina, have an escape ability that is far, far beyond anything else in the game. Sorcerers got a blanket nerf to their Streaking while Nightblades have Shadow Image not caring for walls, floors, ceilings, anything.

Streak also doesn't require a target and is spammable, while Shade does require a target and you can only teleport to a shade once. It's also very easy to just leave a Rearming Trap at the shade and wait for the NB to port into it, Streak is less predictable in that regard.

15 seconds is not alot of time to work with either.

Ashamray

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

Lava_Croft

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

That is the design ZOS seems to prefer. Every single escape skill has been nerfed with cost increases and the global gap closer snare, only further widening the gap between Shadow Image and every other escape skill. There's also Shadow Cloak as an escape skill.

LeifErickson

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

That is the design ZOS seems to prefer. Every single escape skill has been nerfed with cost increases and the global gap closer snare, only further widening the gap between Shadow Image and every other escape skill. There's also Shadow Cloak as an escape skill.

That's because every other escape skill (except cloak) can be spammed. You can't spam shadow image. You can spam streak and roll dodge. I don't even understand why you are complaining about this. Unless you are a large group player, I would think escapes would be pushed to get buffed since they are good when fighting outnumbered.

thankyourat

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

Gap closers follow you to your shade anyway lol I was fighting at the bridge i had a shade at the top. I saw a nightblade he ambushed me as I teleported and we both ended up at my shade. Nothing beats gap closers in this game

Waffennacht

LeifErickson wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

That is the design ZOS seems to prefer. Every single escape skill has been nerfed with cost increases and the global gap closer snare, only further widening the gap between Shadow Image and every other escape skill. There's also Shadow Cloak as an escape skill.

That's because every other escape skill (except cloak) can be spammed. You can't spam shadow image. You can spam streak and roll dodge. I don't even understand why you are complaining about this. Unless you are a large group player, I would think escapes would be pushed to get buffed since they are good when fighting outnumbered.

Quit saying you can "spam" streak. That's just silly, from max magicka you can at max use it 7 times, gap closer 7 times leaves you with at least half stam. Then the mag sorc dies cuz he has no mag.

You don't spam streak... not with a 50% cost increase

GreenSoup2HoT

Waffennacht wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

That is the design ZOS seems to prefer. Every single escape skill has been nerfed with cost increases and the global gap closer snare, only further widening the gap between Shadow Image and every other escape skill. There's also Shadow Cloak as an escape skill.

That's because every other escape skill (except cloak) can be spammed. You can't spam shadow image. You can spam streak and roll dodge. I don't even understand why you are complaining about this. Unless you are a large group player, I would think escapes would be pushed to get buffed since they are good when fighting outnumbered.

Quit saying you can "spam" streak. That's just silly, from max magicka you can at max use it 7 times, gap closer 7 times leaves you with at least half stam. Then the mag sorc dies cuz he has no mag.

You don't spam streak... not with a 50% cost increase

You can easily spam streak. Dark deal dude. Its easy to streak 3 times wait a couple seconds and repeat.

ChandraNalaar

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It really needs some line of sight checks. Being able to have it shoot through solid objects as well as let you teleport through solid objects has been broken for way, way too long.

ZOS is really big on the whole LOS thing, but as far as this goes it's not a huge deal. You should be able to teleport, but the fact that the image can shoot without LOS is pretty dumb. You can see the same thing happen with sorc pets in Cyro and some of the monster helm sets (looking at you Infernal Guardian).

LeifErickson

Waffennacht wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

That is the design ZOS seems to prefer. Every single escape skill has been nerfed with cost increases and the global gap closer snare, only further widening the gap between Shadow Image and every other escape skill. There's also Shadow Cloak as an escape skill.

That's because every other escape skill (except cloak) can be spammed. You can't spam shadow image. You can spam streak and roll dodge. I don't even understand why you are complaining about this. Unless you are a large group player, I would think escapes would be pushed to get buffed since they are good when fighting outnumbered.

Quit saying you can "spam" streak. That's just silly, from max magicka you can at max use it 7 times, gap closer 7 times leaves you with at least half stam. Then the mag sorc dies cuz he has no mag.

You don't spam streak... not with a 50% cost increase

What I meant by spam is that you can use it multiple times in a row, while you cannot do that with shadow image. And dodge roll also has the cost increase, but yet you leave that out.

exeeter702

The shear audacity that people have in teying to compare streak with image....

Image requires a target, its telegraphed in that an opponent can easily anticipate where you are going to end up, and after teleporting you have to replace, make distance from it and then recast it.

And honestly it's really only an actual escape tool in places with various walls and corridors like ic and inside keeps, where elevation and Los gets you out of dodge. And even that is very circumstantial. The fact that depending on how you drop down from a ledge (jumping, walking off or getting knocked back) makes it needlessly cumbersome.

Before anything else, image is a kiting tool. And a cumbersome alternative to streak as an escape tool second.

And no, removing the target requirement to cast image would in no way be overpowered. That *** needs to happen. Also an on screen range indicator would be very much appreciated. And on a side note, I'm nit sure if anyone else suffers from this, but often, especially in pve (i run necropotence in 4 mans) you have to recast that crap like 3 or 4 times before the shade even shows up, despite the character doing the entire animation.

exeeter702

Waffennacht wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Shadow teleport will be useless with los check. What will be the purpose then? Instantly get another gap closer?

That is the design ZOS seems to prefer. Every single escape skill has been nerfed with cost increases and the global gap closer snare, only further widening the gap between Shadow Image and every other escape skill. There's also Shadow Cloak as an escape skill.

That's because every other escape skill (except cloak) can be spammed. You can't spam shadow image. You can spam streak and roll dodge. I don't even understand why you are complaining about this. Unless you are a large group player, I would think escapes would be pushed to get buffed since they are good when fighting outnumbered.

Quit saying you can "spam" streak. That's just silly, from max magicka you can at max use it 7 times, gap closer 7 times leaves you with at least half stam. Then the mag sorc dies cuz he has no mag.

You don't spam streak... not with a 50% cost increase

Stop being so literal, you know full well what is meant by saying it can be spammed.

It can be casted in multiple succession, providing its full effect without any criteria other than resource limitations. There is no setup or multiple layers to its functionality.

Lava_Croft

Allowing people to teleport through walls makes Shadow Image the best escape tool by such an incredibly wide margin that it's stupid in comparison to all the other escape tools and how they have been nerfed in the past couple of years.

exeeter702

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Allowing people to teleport through walls makes Shadow Image the best escape tool by such an incredibly wide margin that it's stupid in comparison to all the other escape tools and how they have been nerfed in the past couple of years.

K

Rikumaru

Shadow image nerf? Lol.

Bakven

STOP ASKING FOR NERFS FOR MAGICKA BUILDS!
I have to run heavy armor, I can't use cloak because it's broken af, I'm already at a disadvantage because of the stam meta. Shadowy Image is my way to get the hell out of a bad situation. It's our one good ability that hasn't been nerfed into uselessness yet so stop asking for a nerf.

It needs a target
It has poor range
It has a poor timer
It sometimes doesn't' even work
It's literally shows where we'll teleport to
and unlike streak we can't use it successfully multiple times in quick succession to get away. We have to set it and then actually move away from it. That means if someone gap closes us right after we teleport we can't just teleport again.

Plus it's insanely fun to use in towers to mess with the multitude of meta players and actually keeps the class alive. If you get ganked and they disappear with it then so what? Suck it up buttercup

olsborg

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

OP is a mageblade last I checked, just to give some perspective to future posters.

Shadow Image is the reason why Nightblades, both Magicka and Stamina, have an escape ability that is far, far beyond anything else in the game. Sorcerers got a blanket nerf to their Streaking while Nightblades have Shadow Image not caring for walls, floors, ceilings, anything.

lol ffs, lets empower the zerg even more shall we? "none shall escape the mighty zerg"

On a serious note, if someone playes smart, stupid ppl shouldnt be able to *** them just because they are many. Also, if someone also is smart, you can just plant a few ppl where the shade is and wait for the return of the nb, there are counters you know.