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Eye of Flame too OP?

Gargath
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I wonder if Eye of Flame damage isn't a bit too OP in pvp.
Also why one player deals 3x less damage that another with the same ability

4p8fdDw.jpg

I'm a pvp healer with light armor and 2-3k crit resist from CP and Robes of Transmutation.

Comparing the other damages, this ultimate deals massive damage.
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  • Waffennacht
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    My opponents have a 20k death recap from me through block using SA...

    There is another thread about this, imo unsuccessfully convincing me that Eye of the Storm is anywhere outside the line of current sets and abilities
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  • danno8
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    It's a DoT.

    That means the death recap adds up ALL ticks while you were in it and displays it as one entry on the recap.

    It's a terrible death recap, and has led to many misunderstanding with other DoT's like Radiant Destruction, Caltrops etc...
  • gibous
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    @Gargath A) You're gonna have to block out the player names - it's against forum rules to include them. B) Have you not seen there's like 30 threads about this ult already? C) You took one tick of dmg from one player, and probably 3 ticks from the other - that explains the difference in the recap.
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  • Alucardo
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    The 4k ulti is probably lower because you weren't standing in it as long as the one after it. It's OP. Everyone knows it's OP, and it will probably get nerfed at some point. But then again, ZOS might lower the cost instead. Who knows with them
  • Waffennacht
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    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP
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  • Alucardo
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    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?
  • Waffennacht
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?

    Im saying these things are all relative, and relatively speaking, they are all on par
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  • Alucardo
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?

    Im saying these things are all relative, and relatively speaking, they are all on par

    Single target ultimate that can be dodged is not on par with a giant AOE that can melt your face off.
  • Waffennacht
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?

    Im saying these things are all relative, and relatively speaking, they are all on par

    Single target ultimate that can be dodged is not on par with a giant AOE that can melt your face off.

    Yes it is. You can cite some multiple people battle, but if you know me, I find XvX to have zero relevance in whether or noth something is OP.

    You can just stay out of the AoE, like oh so many of my opponents do. Or do like I: cast ward, mines, and conversion and Laugh at the poor builds that think it's an auto win.

    Incap strike dodgeable... much like DboS is dodgeable... not at all if animation cancelled or from stealth/cloak. Plus magicka builds have a strict rule of no roll dodge because you gotta CC break, but that's a moot point.

    My point is, I don't see anything OP with proc sets, destro ult, SA, black rose, etc as long as they are all relative, which they are.
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  • Cathexis
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    The other night I got hit by one for 32k in the span of about 2 seconds.

    Thats insane.
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  • Minalan
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    You took four ticks from two separate EoTS ultimates over (at least) 3-4 seconds from two different people. The ticks are 3-5K each. On top of that, the first guy streaked through you (stun) with proxy det up to add insult to injury.

    Someone please point me to someone surviving a pair of DBoS and a proxy det with less damage.
    Edited by Minalan on 17 November 2016 01:52
  • Belicourt
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?

    Im saying these things are all relative, and relatively speaking, they are all on par

    tell that to standard...
  • Calboy
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    Incap is way more annoying than eots, in fact so is dbos. I'd rather have eots with its huge animation than someone gap closing me with procs sets and incap/ dbos one shooting me.
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    Oh frostsoul is back :D
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  • Waffennacht
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    Belicourt wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?

    Im saying these things are all relative, and relatively speaking, they are all on par

    tell that to standard...

    Well now I just feel bad...
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  • Thraben
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    Gargath wrote: »
    I wonder if Eye of Flame damage isn't a bit too OP in pvp.
    Also why one player deals 3x less damage that another with the same ability


    I'm a pvp healer with light armor and 2-3k crit resist from CP and Robes of Transmutation.

    Comparing the other damages, this ultimate deals massive damage.



    You wear the wrong armor - avoid any distance closer than 15m to those players without wearing Phoenix, or Bastion of the Heartland (or both). They would have killed you even without this noobish ulti.
    Edited by Thraben on 17 November 2016 07:46
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  • Lava_Croft
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    Oh frostsoul is back :D
    Eye of Bullcrap brought quite a few AoE blob monkeys back. ;)
  • Sanct16
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    Oh frostsoul is back :D
    Eye of Bullcrap brought quite a few AoE blob monkeys back. ;)
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  • susmitds
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    My opponents have a 20k death recap from me through block using SA...

    There is another thread about this, imo unsuccessfully convincing me that Eye of the Storm is anywhere outside the line of current sets and abilities

    This is a flat-out lie.
  • WillhelmBlack
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    It's a Wrobel special zerg tool. Stay out of them, keep safe.

    I see even a stamblade switched to using it. LOL
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  • CapuchinSeven
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    I still don't see the big deal in 1v1 (or rather I think it's the best magic ultimate in the game but I don't loose my pants over it or anything, doesn't bother me that much), likely 'cus I run shuffle and immovable pots, cloak AND know full well that if I see someone running a Destro' staff to look out for the telegraph which is a pretty long 2 seconds before any damage starts.

    If they are already on me I dodge roll twice into them so they have to turn, bow sprint and then cloak, at worse before the cloak I'll normally take one hit at most.

    In group, well I die so often to blobs running solo that I don't even look at recaps anymore, it is what it is.
    It's a Wrobel special zerg tool. Stay out of them, keep safe.

    I see even a stamblade switched to using it. LOL

    My magblade ran Viper for a while, what you're saying isn't anything new. I'd even argue my magblade got more out of Viper than my stamblade would get out of slotting a Destro' staff.
    Edited by CapuchinSeven on 17 November 2016 09:17
  • Lava_Croft
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    Oh frostsoul is back :D
    Eye of Bullcrap brought quite a few AoE blob monkeys back. ;)
    Not everyone can be such a great solo player as you :wink:
    Solo is about as dead as small scale.

    To the monkeys that compare Eye of Bullcrap to things like Incapicating Strike and/or Soul Assault: LOLOLOL!
    Edited by Lava_Croft on 17 November 2016 09:53
  • WillhelmBlack
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    Oh frostsoul is back :D
    Eye of Bullcrap brought quite a few AoE blob monkeys back. ;)
    Not everyone can be such a great solo player as you :wink:
    Solo is about as dead as small scale.

    To the monkeys that compare Eye of Bullcrap to things like Incapicating Strike and/or Soul Assault: LOLOLOL!

    Yet some of us still have the balls to do it.
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  • Glamdring
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    Keep it as it is, it brought back many players that now again can "shine" with their aoe blobgroups running around. And regarding incap vs EoF LOL u actually compare theese 2?
  • DannyLV702
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    Honestly the only reason I decided to grind to get Eye of the Storm was because of all the forum complaining. Ever since I started using it I get nice ticks like this one whenever I have it near a large group without using any other aoe. I seriously cannot wait for ZOS to fix vicious death on console :p

    This was my first day playing with Eye of Flame :)


    https://youtu.be/CfdHeWObOdo
    Edited by DannyLV702 on 17 November 2016 10:31
  • Wollust
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    As long as Incap strike can hit for 11k instantly through 6 HA and 4 impen, it will never be OP

    Huh? Are you saying it's only possible to have one OP ultimate at a time?

    Im saying these things are all relative, and relatively speaking, they are all on par

    Single target ultimate that can be dodged is not on par with a giant AOE that can melt your face off.

    Yes it is. You can cite some multiple people battle, but if you know me, I find XvX to have zero relevance in whether or noth something is OP.

    You can just stay out of the AoE, like oh so many of my opponents do. Or do like I: cast ward, mines, and conversion and Laugh at the poor builds that think it's an auto win.

    Incap strike dodgeable... much like DboS is dodgeable... not at all if animation cancelled or from stealth/cloak. Plus magicka builds have a strict rule of no roll dodge because you gotta CC break, but that's a moot point.

    My point is, I don't see anything OP with proc sets, destro ult, SA, black rose, etc as long as they are all relative, which they are.
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  • Waffennacht
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    susmitds wrote: »
    My opponents have a 20k death recap from me through block using SA...

    There is another thread about this, imo unsuccessfully convincing me that Eye of the Storm is anywhere outside the line of current sets and abilities

    This is a flat-out lie.

    @susmitds how is that a lie?

    Btw not fully buffed:

    2016-11-05-23-35-00_zpsghvop0qi.png

    Edit: so i don't clutter thread, no worries @susmitds :)
    Edited by Waffennacht on 17 November 2016 16:42
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  • susmitds
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    susmitds wrote: »
    My opponents have a 20k death recap from me through block using SA...

    There is another thread about this, imo unsuccessfully convincing me that Eye of the Storm is anywhere outside the line of current sets and abilities

    This is a flat-out lie.

    @susmitds how is that a lie?

    Btw not fully buffed:

    2016-11-05-23-35-00_zpsghvop0qi.png

    @Waffennacht , Really sorry dude, thought it to be Surprise Attack n
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    It's a great Zerg/Scrub killer because they usually stand in it and can't heal very well....
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  • Escorpiao_Noturno
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    Gargath wrote: »
    I wonder if Eye of Flame damage isn't a bit too OP in pvp.
    Also why one player deals 3x less damage that another with the same ability

    4p8fdDw.jpg

    I'm a pvp healer with light armor and 2-3k crit resist from CP and Robes of Transmutation.

    Comparing the other damages, this ultimate deals massive damage.

    Man.. I got 40K damage... 40K.... 40k.... from this ultimate..
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