The Dwemer

TheShadowScout

Solus wrote: »

I didn't know the Dwemer were basically Dunmer. Hm.

They weren't. back then, there were no dunmer, only chimer.

But yeah, the dwemer basically were dark skinned underground elves with a liking for babylonian beard styles.

While the chimer were light skinned elves with a liking for daedric worship that got turned into dark skinned, red eyed dunmer when their leaders betrayed the "good daedra" to set themselves up as the tribunal.

JD2013 wrote: »

branstark wrote: »

A Dwemer related DLC would be amazing, a lot of people are curious about their fate

Yeah, a Dwemer related DLC would be awesome.

The problem with that is, noone knows what happened to them even centuries after the events in ESO. So their fate cannot be revealed here. In an TES game set after skyrim - yes, but here - no.

A DLC about exploring a huge dwemer city on the other hand... think a dungeon the size of an whole map region... like imperial city, but cooperative exploring and monster bashing, possibly with an "clear level to advance" (meaning ALL the level bosses and questlines before you can proceed) mechanic in the questline... Ohhh, myyy! I'd buy that for a bag of crowns...

Though I guess we may get something of the sort when they relese the announced clockwork city expansion...

Abeille wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

The most common theory is Kagrenac's experiments with the Heart of Lorkhan.

The heart had been ripped out of Lorkhan's chest by Trinimac, and Auriel shot it with his bow. It crash landed right into Vvardenfell where it formed a volcano around itself: the Red Tower, with the heart being the Zero stone.

The Dwemer that settled in the region found the Heart, and their Chief Tonal Architect Kagrenac created a set of tools to manipulate the Heart: Keening, Sunder and Wraithguard. Kagrenac believed that the Heart could be used to have his entire race ascend to godhood, which is why the Dwemer constructed the Brass Tower: Numidium.

And although they were allies and had joined the Dunmer in the First Council, the Dunmer commander Nerevar disagreed with this and led his forces against the Dwemer to take the Heart away from them in the Battle of Red Mountain. Kagrenac decided to go through with his plan to ascend and used the tools on the heart...

... and the Dwemer mysteriously disappeared. Vanished without a trace...

Well... Technically there's one left. He's at the corpusarium, and you definitely DON'T want to go there.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn

He should be healthy during this time in the timeline since Corprus isn't a thing yet.
Can you imagine if, in Vvardenfell, we are summoned by the Tribunal and when we enter the room Yagrum is casually finishing a conversation with Sotha Sil? My squeaks would be legendary.

Indeed, in this time, Yagrum most likely might be around and busy trying to find out what happened to his people. Which we know he never will. And in a while... he will journey past he ghost fence, to seach at red mountain... and get infected with Corprus instead.

But I agree... meeting him in his prime, as NPC in ESO once they go to Vvardenfell... will give many "morrowind" people here a nerdgasm. Myself inlcuded.

Enodoc wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

While we're on the subject, while we know the Dwemer as a race vanished, what happened to any crossbreeds they produced? I'd assume they'd have been left behind unless they had that psychic link previously mentioned...

Common lore interpretation states that crossbreeds don't exist. Children are 100% the same race as the mother.

...but with features of the father. So there may have been dwemer crossbreeds... most likely among the chimer, and the snow elves. Former would now be dunmer with an age-old lineage and a bit of curl to their hair, and latter falmer gnawing bones in a dwemer ruin, I would think.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Didn't the dwemer see themselves as high and mighty, above the other races? This could be a potential recipe for no breeding outside their own race. In fact, I'd bet they were extremely prude.

Altmer see themselves as above others too and yet we still got Bretons. Also there was that lady's Ghost in IIRC Bangkorai who was an...Ayleid?...a non-Dwarf with a Dwemer boyfriend. I can see not many crossbreeds but I can't see no crossbreeds unless they were somehow sterile with other races, which we've gotten no indication of.

runagate wrote: »

Also, oddly, despite my obsession with Akaviri races and Lilmothiit I genuinely don't know if Imga are extinct in the era of ESO.

They're not; they're just hiding during the Planemeld. (Which I suspect is lore-speak for 'we didn't want to add a race no one can use when it takes more work than a re-skin to make them.' I hope Zeni adds them to Tamriel proper later anyway.)

ThePonzzz

If the lore/history makes your head spin reading it, there are some really great YouTube video series on it.

Zaric Zhakaron:


ShoddyCast:

Tryxus

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Also, oddly, despite my obsession with Akaviri races and Lilmothiit I genuinely don't know if Imga are extinct in the era of ESO.

They're not; they're just hiding during the Planemeld. (Which I suspect is lore-speak for 'we didn't want to add a race no one can use when it takes more work than a re-skin to make them.' I hope Zeni adds them to Tamriel proper later anyway.)

I think that was mentioned in one of the Loremaster's Archives: all the Imga had gone to visit the Walking City of Falinesti to hide and wait out both the Planemeld and the Alliance War. So maybe they disappeared along with the city?

ZOS should really do more of those Loremaster Archives...

Solus

Tryxus wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Also, oddly, despite my obsession with Akaviri races and Lilmothiit I genuinely don't know if Imga are extinct in the era of ESO.

They're not; they're just hiding during the Planemeld. (Which I suspect is lore-speak for 'we didn't want to add a race no one can use when it takes more work than a re-skin to make them.' I hope Zeni adds them to Tamriel proper later anyway.)

I think that was mentioned in one of the Loremaster's Archives: all the Imga had gone to visit the Walking City of Falinesti to hide and wait out both the Planemeld and the Alliance War. So maybe they disappeared along with the city?

ZOS should really do more of those Loremaster Archives...

Is that a Twitch stream?

Korah_Eaglecry

Solus wrote: »

I will be upfront in saying that I don't remember reading much into the lore behind the Dwarves other than they just randomly disappeared one day.

What did happen to the Dwemer?
Does anyone actually know, lore-wise?

Or does the lore not fully delve into what happened?

It depends on who is telling the story. The Ashlanders, Vivec and the Nords all have different stories of how the Dwemer disappeared.

According to the Ashlanders, Dagoth Ur and Nerevar (Chimer) met Dumac and Kragrenac (Dwemer) in the Heart Chamber. Nerevar and Dumac fell and Dagoth Ur killed Kragrenac. Nerevar summoned Azura, who taught Dagoth Ur how to separate the Dwemer from the Heart and that is how they disappeared.

According to Vivec. Nerevar and Dumac both fell in battle and Kragrenac used the tools on the Heart and they disappeared.

According to the Nords. Dagoth Ur came to the Nords and the Eastern Orc Clans and rallied them to retrieve Shors Heart (Heart of Lorkhan). Wulfharth lead the Nordic and Orcish Army up Red Mountain. Dagoth Ur kills Dumac (The king of the Dwarves) but not before he strikes the Heart with the tool Sunder. Shor mortally wounds Nerevar but Nerevar strikes the Heart with the tool Keening and Shor is defeated and the Dwemer disappear. (In the Nords Story Nerevar is the Champion of Dumac and the Chimer are fighting on the side of the Dwemer, not against them.)

And just so you know who is who here.

Dagoth Ur is like the Tribunal. He was once a mortal that was given god-like abilities. In a few hundred years he will "rise from the dead" and will fight the Tribunal. The Tribunal will defeat him and be forced to raise the Ghost Fence around Red Mountain and the Buoyant Armigers will be tasked with guarding it.

Nerevar is Indoril Nerevar a leader and General in the Chimer Society. You play as his reincarnated self in Morrowind.

Dumac was the Dwemer King and friends with Nerevar. Together they helped form Resdayn, the Dwemer and Chimer unified kingdom.

Kragrenac was a highly respected Engineer and Priest within Dwemer society and had studied the Heart of Lorkhan after it was discovered in the Dwemer mines. Its said he planned to use its power to overthrow the Chimer and take Resdayn for the Dwemer. (This is believable considering the Dwemers treatment of the Falmer after their defeat by the Nords.)

Wulfharth is believed by some to be an Avatar of Shor. Wulfharth has risen from the dead and has lead and been a champion of the Nords on many occasions. Its believed Wulfharth was involved in the Akavirii Invasion that helped create the Ebonheart Pact and he will rise again during Tiber Septims time as well.

Shor is the Nordic name for Lorkhan. Hes the God of Trickery in the Elven Pantheon but the God of Men in the Nordic Pantheon. Nords believe the Elven Gods were bitter because Shor created the mortal realm and they killed him at Red Mountain.