Most OP Meta Spec Of All Time?

Joy_Division · October 2016

DK Launch and DK 1.5 totally different animals.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

Other(Please Explain

Yes launch DK Vamp and then Werewolf Stamplar devour bug for a few weeks till devour was nerfed .

Derra · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

DannyLV702 · October 2016

CE

Stamden · October 2016

Patch2.5 (Current Day) Stam Sorcerer

DocFrost72 wrote: »

The original vampire DKs. Pretty sure CE would fail to kill them.

Throwback to the good 'ole days. Was going to post my old video but see that someone already posted it.

Xsorus · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Stamden · October 2016

Patch2.5 (Current Day) Stam Sorcerer

mtwiggz wrote: »

Kaghei wrote: »

Launch DK and Vampires hands down. No contest.
Sorc Vamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U (Pryda)
DK Vamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4 (Neighbour)
Reg DK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwiG-O6NUjc (Luvboard)

I sincerely hope you all watch those videos and stop complaining about Proc sets. It was far worse at launch.

Those videos bring back horrifying nightmares.

I think you meant dreams

Brrrofski · October 2016

Since console launch, it's a tie between magica sorc and stam Nb before dark brotherhood. Both were so far ahead of the pack it was unreal.

I find it kind of sad that stam sorc is now bordering op. I've played once since IC launched and really getting sick of people messaging me to get skill and lay something else lol. NAH MAN, I PLAYED THIS WHEN IT WAS GIMPED SO I'LL CONTINUE TO PLAY IT NOW!!!

Derra · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Sorry but you´re simply pulling things out of your behind.

Almost every stamsorc, stamDK and stamplar worth mentioning on EU was already using 1h shield pre tremorscale. I can´t comment on the US server but for EU seeing a non nightblade without sword and board was actually a rarity on stamina builds (and you´re right most did not run a bow).

Derra · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

Brrrofski wrote: »

Since console launch, it's a tie between magica sorc and stam Nb before dark brotherhood. Both were so far ahead of the pack it was unreal.

I find it kind of sad that stam sorc is now bordering op. I've played once since IC launched and really getting sick of people messaging me to get skill and lay something else lol. NAH MAN, I PLAYED THIS WHEN IT WAS GIMPED SO I'LL CONTINUE TO PLAY IT NOW!!!

What makes stamsorc OP is people preferring PI over venom arrow and pulse over shock (also ZOS fault for having destinct pvp/pve morphs).
Also nobody knows how to interrupt anymore.

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

1H&S was still pretty popular before Tremorscale was introduced, particularly in 1v1s

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

@Derra, adjusting/removing bash dmg would seem like the most reasonable change (after deleting proctato sets from the game) in regards to S/B. The whole light atk/ransack/bash spam weaving outputting comparable dps to 2hander always seemed quite cheesy.

Nerfing the base wep dmg though, is most certainly not the way to go; you have to take into account what it would do to mag builds too. It would wreck a whole slew of mag builds across all classes and leave stam even more dominant.

Kas · October 2016

Other(Please Explain

imho it's perma vamp sorcs, vs half-the-map + talons + fragmented shield dks (often also vamps)
all before 1.6

themdogesbite · October 2016

Honestly i dont really se why people really think that DK was that op back in the days. NB had a build where you could easily push 110% dmg mitigation, sorcs had infinite ultimates for a while just from useing streak and could easily stack negate with bats or whatever. Not to forget the doubble exploding pet for a while early on too. Templars... well.. Templars.

I guess if you messure from launch until 1.6 then yes, i'd also say that Dk was probably one of the stronger if not the strongest class.

Cathexis · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

20% Current patch stam sorcerer??? Lmao. Overlooking unkillable battle rezing damage reflecting jesus beaming templar of the current patch, its early DK hands down.

Any positive strides stam sorcs made in the current patch has more to do with the slot machine rng.

Waffennacht · October 2016

Makes me wanna see the various BAMF builds of past and present have mad free for all

Destyran · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

Its not these sets its these sets with poisons and vitality pots.

Derra · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

@Derra, adjusting/removing bash dmg would seem like the most reasonable change (after deleting proctato sets from the game) in regards to S/B. The whole light atk/ransack/bash spam weaving outputting comparable dps to 2hander always seemed quite cheesy.

Nerfing the base wep dmg though, is most certainly not the way to go; you have to take into account what it would do to mag builds too. It would wreck a whole slew of mag builds across all classes and leave stam even more dominant.

Probably true. Tbh i would not have minded that change with the last patches meta of s&b templars. However those took a really severe hit this patch aswell so there is no reason anymore to nerf s&b on magica.

So probably yay to removing cost and dmg from bash when not actually interrupting someone (and please fix the buff where heavyattacks sometimes trigger bash dmg bonuses - or make them interruptable again).

Xsorus · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Sorry but you´re simply pulling things out of your behind.

Almost every stamsorc, stamDK and stamplar worth mentioning on EU was already using 1h shield pre tremorscale. I can´t comment on the US server but for EU seeing a non nightblade without sword and board was actually a rarity on stamina builds (and you´re right most did not run a bow).

Are you kidding me? you know damn well every Stam Sorc prepatch was running Two handed axe/bow for the sheer AOE power it added..That is the whole damn point of it..

Draw group it tight corridor, Endless Hail, DBOS, Reverse Slash the hell out of them.... all the while Hurricane is applying your freakin AOE Dot....

Stamplar is the same damn way, You pretty much ran either 2 hander or DW and spammed the hell out of Jabs...

The only reason Stam Dk's went 1hd/shield is they honestly work best it...They just mesh well with that type of setup...as they pretty much can't run DW usually and that leaves 1hd/Shield or Two hander....Or both if you're doing a Dueling Build (though bow could fit in either place)

silky_soft · October 2016

Other(Please Explain

Anything vampire post camohunter nerf.

Derra · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Sorry but you´re simply pulling things out of your behind.

Almost every stamsorc, stamDK and stamplar worth mentioning on EU was already using 1h shield pre tremorscale. I can´t comment on the US server but for EU seeing a non nightblade without sword and board was actually a rarity on stamina builds (and you´re right most did not run a bow).

Are you kidding me? you know damn well every Stam Sorc prepatch was running Two handed axe/bow for the sheer AOE power it added..That is the whole damn point of it..

Draw group it tight corridor, Endless Hail, DBOS, Reverse Slash the hell out of them.... all the while Hurricane is applying your freakin AOE Dot....

Stamplar is the same damn way, You pretty much ran either 2 hander or DW and spammed the hell out of Jabs...

The only reason Stam Dk's went 1hd/shield is they honestly work best it...They just mesh well with that type of setup...as they pretty much can't run DW usually and that leaves 1hd/Shield or Two hander....Or both if you're doing a Dueling Build (though bow could fit in either place)

That was not the case on EU. People ran 1h+shield here since ages and meeting stamsorcs and stamplars without sword and board was in fact a rarity. It´s simply different meta for the two megaservers.

It won´t change if you make a headstand and scream.

Ishammael · October 2016

Patch2.5 (Current Day) Stam Sorcerer

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Sorry but you´re simply pulling things out of your behind.

Almost every stamsorc, stamDK and stamplar worth mentioning on EU was already using 1h shield pre tremorscale. I can´t comment on the US server but for EU seeing a non nightblade without sword and board was actually a rarity on stamina builds (and you´re right most did not run a bow).

Are you kidding me? you know damn well every Stam Sorc prepatch was running Two handed axe/bow for the sheer AOE power it added..That is the whole damn point of it..

Draw group it tight corridor, Endless Hail, DBOS, Reverse Slash the hell out of them.... all the while Hurricane is applying your freakin AOE Dot....

Stamplar is the same damn way, You pretty much ran either 2 hander or DW and spammed the hell out of Jabs...

The only reason Stam Dk's went 1hd/shield is they honestly work best it...They just mesh well with that type of setup...as they pretty much can't run DW usually and that leaves 1hd/Shield or Two hander....Or both if you're doing a Dueling Build (though bow could fit in either place)

That was not the case on EU. People ran 1h+shield here since ages and meeting stamsorcs and stamplars without sword and board was in fact a rarity. It´s simply different meta for the two megaservers.

It won´t change if you make a headstand and scream.

To be fair to Xsorus, Stam Sorcs/Templars on NA were running 2H/Bow

SneaK · October 2016

Patch 1.6 Magicka Sorcerer

For console players it was Mag Sorcs, no question about it.

Bandit1215 · October 2016

I joined after the release of imperial city so I have no idea what 1.6 and stuff was like. Was it actually worse than what we have now????

ToRelax · October 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

Honestly i dont really se why people really think that DK was that op back in the days. NB had a build where you could easily push 110% dmg mitigation, sorcs had infinite ultimates for a while just from useing streak and could easily stack negate with bats or whatever. Not to forget the doubble exploding pet for a while early on too. Templars... well.. Templars.

I guess if you messure from launch until 1.6 then yes, i'd also say that Dk was probably one of the stronger if not the strongest class.

Well Templars had their time of Blazing Shield oneshots!

Bandit1215 wrote: »

I joined after the release of imperial city so I have no idea what 1.6 and stuff was like. Was it actually worse than what we have now????

Unless we're talking about 1.0, it was better imo.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · October 2016

Other(Please Explain

DK was really strong early on, but that's mostly because of the clueless groups that fed them ultimate and ranged their wings. Add a competent templar and they dropped dead. You could achieve crazy stuff with every class early in this game, but most players weren't good enough to pull this off. Again it was easier on DK, but then I haven't seen many that were really strong beyond being carried by their class.

Derra · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Sorry but you´re simply pulling things out of your behind.

Almost every stamsorc, stamDK and stamplar worth mentioning on EU was already using 1h shield pre tremorscale. I can´t comment on the US server but for EU seeing a non nightblade without sword and board was actually a rarity on stamina builds (and you´re right most did not run a bow).

Are you kidding me? you know damn well every Stam Sorc prepatch was running Two handed axe/bow for the sheer AOE power it added..That is the whole damn point of it..

Draw group it tight corridor, Endless Hail, DBOS, Reverse Slash the hell out of them.... all the while Hurricane is applying your freakin AOE Dot....

Stamplar is the same damn way, You pretty much ran either 2 hander or DW and spammed the hell out of Jabs...

The only reason Stam Dk's went 1hd/shield is they honestly work best it...They just mesh well with that type of setup...as they pretty much can't run DW usually and that leaves 1hd/Shield or Two hander....Or both if you're doing a Dueling Build (though bow could fit in either place)

That was not the case on EU. People ran 1h+shield here since ages and meeting stamsorcs and stamplars without sword and board was in fact a rarity. It´s simply different meta for the two megaservers.

It won´t change if you make a headstand and scream.

To be fair to Xsorus, Stam Sorcs/Templars on NA were running 2H/Bow

That´s why i was writing EU server for 3 posts or so. Completely different meta as it seems.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Pre Patch 1.6 Mag DK

MagDK at launch, no contest.

Ishammael · October 2016

Patch2.5 (Current Day) Stam Sorcerer

Derra wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Not just Stam Sorcs.

• 2x Tremorscale
• 5x Viper's Sting (3 jewelry, 1H/S)
• 5x Black Rose (5 Impen armor)
OR
• 5x Widowmaker (5 Impen armor)

This is the most OP build ever possible in ESO. It has all of the tankiness, all of the burst damage, all of the healing, and all of the resources. No weakness. Unfair af.

The problem lies with 1h+shield being a too potent offensive weapon choice imo.

Could be solved by having 1h weapons (mace, dagger, sword, axe) provide only ~760 base weapondmg. DW could be changed to be flatout additive resulting in no change for DW but a nerf of 450 weapondmg for 1h + shield.

ummm What....1hd only does the damage it does because of tremorscale/vipers sting/widowmaker combos....If you drop the weapon damage ZERO will change...only you've now made non proc builds worse and force them into going Procs.

^ This. The proc sets are static damage amounts, they don't scale on your dmg/max stats. It's the pinnacle of Wrobel's lazy design process.

Even if you remove the lazy proccsets 1h+shield is the best offensive weaponchoice because of how well it combines offense and defense with a little tad of utility.

If people could only utilize one procc set they´d still all be running 1h+shield because of all the other benefits it offers. Imo it should not offer comparable offense to DW or 2h which it currently does while also having secondary benefits.

Another option would be to remove damage from bashing completely when not interrupting anything.

That must be why before tremorscales came along everyone was using 1hd shield and no one used dw or two hander at all in pvp *grin*

Yeah every stam player worth mentioning who was not a NB (and even some of them) already used S&B back then on the EU server. Maybe you´ve just been a little late to the party this time

Other then the sea of players using two hander or all the Templars/nightblades using DW.....

Unless you think all those players just decided to not use bow at all....because hey... who the hell needs endless hail or poison injection.

There are some builds that use 1hd shield, the vast majority was not running it pre tremors and was running two hander usually with bow... unless it was a Templar or night then you could do DW.

With tremors though the burst of 1hd shield simply becomes some of the best you can do in the game.

Sorry but you´re simply pulling things out of your behind.

Almost every stamsorc, stamDK and stamplar worth mentioning on EU was already using 1h shield pre tremorscale. I can´t comment on the US server but for EU seeing a non nightblade without sword and board was actually a rarity on stamina builds (and you´re right most did not run a bow).

Are you kidding me? you know damn well every Stam Sorc prepatch was running Two handed axe/bow for the sheer AOE power it added..That is the whole damn point of it..

Draw group it tight corridor, Endless Hail, DBOS, Reverse Slash the hell out of them.... all the while Hurricane is applying your freakin AOE Dot....

Stamplar is the same damn way, You pretty much ran either 2 hander or DW and spammed the hell out of Jabs...

The only reason Stam Dk's went 1hd/shield is they honestly work best it...They just mesh well with that type of setup...as they pretty much can't run DW usually and that leaves 1hd/Shield or Two hander....Or both if you're doing a Dueling Build (though bow could fit in either place)

That was not the case on EU. People ran 1h+shield here since ages and meeting stamsorcs and stamplars without sword and board was in fact a rarity. It´s simply different meta for the two megaservers.

It won´t change if you make a headstand and scream.

To be fair to Xsorus, Stam Sorcs/Templars on NA were running 2H/Bow

That´s why i was writing EU server for 3 posts or so. Completely different meta as it seems.

Yeah it's strange. Would love to compare or break down how people are playing each spec. Would be instructive, I think, because EU numbers are so much higher.

Stamden · October 2016

Patch2.5 (Current Day) Stam Sorcerer

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

DK was really strong early on, but that's mostly because of the clueless groups that fed them ultimate and ranged their wings. Add a competent templar and they dropped dead. You could achieve crazy stuff with every class early in this game, but most players weren't good enough to pull this off. Again it was easier on DK, but then I haven't seen many that were really strong beyond being carried by their class.

Yep. Really early on (first 1-2 months after release) we were pretty unstoppable. You could last in a zerg for entire minutes solo, even longer close-quarters (which is why you would see me at the bridge a lot). After that though, people learned how to counter it. Jesus beams and NB fear meant a dead DK.