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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Ranged attacks are triggering Viper's

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Edited by Ankael07 on 20 October 2016 16:40
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  • Waffennacht
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    Well 40mt is not close lol
    Edited by Waffennacht on 20 October 2016 16:47
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    The guy was on a wall shooting from about 40mt.
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  • raasdal
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    Poison enchant on the bow is proccing Vipers. Poison enchant is apparently considered Melee. Also gets buffed by Orc melee bonus etc. I believe the same goes for Disease enchants.

    FYI - It is IMO the same reason viper procs off Velidreth. Non-ability damage in Poison or Disease, is considered Melee.
    Edited by raasdal on 20 October 2016 16:48
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  • Ankael07
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    Great.. so its intended for viper to proc. from 50 something meters with a bow?
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  • Mauz
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    Ankael07 wrote: »
    Great.. so its intended for viper to proc. from 50 something meters with a bow?

    The question is whether this mechanic is principly intended or simply a mindless zos developer did not give a [SNIP] for proper software architecture. I bet it's last one ;)
    Edited by ZOS_PeterT on 20 October 2016 21:49
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    Mauz wrote: »
    Ankael07 wrote: »
    Great.. so its intended for viper to proc. from 50 something meters with a bow?

    The question is whether this mechanic is principly intended or simply a mindless zos developer did not give a [SNIP] for proper software architecture. I bet it's last one ;)

    Probably just an oversight with the enchants being classed as melee. Will get fixed maybe. The hate against zos is getting old (deserved but old).
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  • Minalan
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    Mauz wrote: »
    Ankael07 wrote: »
    Great.. so its intended for viper to proc. from 50 something meters with a bow?

    The question is whether this mechanic is principly intended or simply a mindless zos developer did not give a [SNIP] for proper software architecture. I bet it's last one ;)

    Probably just an oversight with the enchants being classed as melee. Will get fixed maybe. The hate against zos is getting old (deserved but old).

    People are getting more sick of the one button deaths.

    It's also not necessarily the same people over and over.

    Something people enjoyed immensely is suddenly and completely Unplayable. You can hardly blame them.

    Deactivate proc sets in Cyrodiil!
  • Vaoh
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    Yup. Poison and Disease enchants proc Viper's Sting. It's a known and unfixed bug.

    But then again, how can you possibly be surprised? It's simply one more thing in the long line of failures developed to turn the meta into a mess of Heavy Armor Stamina proc builds.
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    Vorcil wrote: »
    It's not a bug.

    It is intended; how can you not expect POISON to proc viper's sting??? :/

    Be cause 50 meters isnt melee distance?
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  • Anti_Virus
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    Ankael07 wrote: »
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    How did you get hit by snipe?
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    Anti_Virus wrote: »
    Ankael07 wrote: »
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    How did you get hit by snipe?

    It was a long keep fight and as a sorcerer I had damage shields to absorb. Thats until I've faced 2 guys with poison and disease enchantments on their bows sniping people at the same time.
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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    ... Need better video, could very easily have launched the snipe then gap closed.
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    I think you would see the gap closer in the recap if there was one. Besides, people say poison and disease weapon enchantments proc. it and the two snipers I've faced in the keep were using exactly those as seen in the picture.
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    I will leave it here...
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    Edited by Edziu on 24 October 2016 08:51
  • FloppyTouch
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    Yup. Poison and Disease enchants proc Viper's Sting. It's a known and unfixed bug.

    But then again, how can you possibly be surprised? It's simply one more thing in the long line of failures developed to turn the meta into a mess of Heavy Armor Stamina proc builds.

    But hard data says not many ppl use heavy armor XD
  • Baphomet
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    It both triggers on ranged attacks and it procs more frequently than the 4 sec interval it is supposed to have. It's more broken than vicious death and twin-sisters ever were. Please fix this quickly, @ZOS .
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  • Hashtag_
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    It goes back to why were poisons even added to the game? They provide nothing in pve.
  • caeliusstarbreaker
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    I hit someone with a javelin from like 28-30m, procced viper, happened to proc burning light. It was a one shot. Viper is broken.
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  • BlackMadara
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    I don't think proc sets should be removed, but they should definitely be rebalanced. Who thought it was a good idea to give one set a guaranteed proc, one a 50% chance, and some a smaller chance WITH certain conditions met. There is a reason nobody complained about valkyn skoria. It is an 8% chance on each dot tick with an internal cd. How did viper's 100% proc every 4 seconds make it through? How did velidreth's 20% chance on any damage make it through? The one with 50% on taunt?

    These sets shouldn't be removed, they need to be balanced. If it is a guaranteed effect, lower the damage. Higher damage effects should be locked behind strict circumstances or low proc rates. You should have to build specifically for it
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    Edziu wrote: »
    I will leave it here...
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    In first picture, you can see in Log, that you are hit with Poison enchant. It is not the Bow Light attack, proccing Viper. It is still the Poison Enchant. Thing is, it does not display on your death recap, because you die before it actually hits you. Vipers will always be the first thing hitting. So any recap like this will list;

    Vipers
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    In the second picture it is seemingly the Lethal Arrow proccing the Viper. But my guess is, that is had Poison enchant on, which just does not show up on recap, because Mages Wrath procced on you before it was counted in. Since this ability procs based on your health percentage, it would make sense for it to cut-in between other damage types. It MIGHT also be that is procs from the Poisoned status effect, which i can see is active on you. Would make sense, since this is a DoT coming from Poison damage.

    Just before ppl. start confusing things and thinking Vipers procs off anything and everything. Currently the only confirmed bug is concerning weapon enchants.
    Edited by raasdal on 25 October 2016 14:02
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    raasdal wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    I will leave it here...
    DwNpI0U.jpg
    zdjAiQ1.jpg

    In first picture, you can see in Log, that you are hit with Poison enchant. It is not the Bow Light attack, proccing Viper. It is still the Poison Enchant. Thing is, it does not display on your death recap, because you die before it actually hits you. Vipers will always be the first thing hitting. So any recap like this will list;

    Vipers
    Skill
    Enchant

    In the second picture it is seemingly the Lethal Arrow proccing the Viper. But my guess is, that is had Poison enchant on, which just does not show up on recap, because Mages Wrath procced on you before it was counted in. Since this ability procs based on your health percentage, it would make sense for it to cut-in between other damage types. It MIGHT also be that is procs from the Poisoned status effect, which i can see is active on you. Would make sense, since this is a DoT coming from Poison damage.

    Just before ppl. start confusing things and thinking Vipers procs off anything and everything. Currently the only confirmed bug is concerning weapon enchants.

    ok then, proc from enchant etc...but at least its damn f...ed because almst no dmg enchant procing viper from very long range, this is ridicouls, this is like malu can proc for any range, selene, velidreth also will can proc with bow from rand and attack from this set appear at your target who is long way from you or just incap strike used from keep wall on the target 20m from wall on ground
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    When Viper's damage was mitigated by spell resistance the bug was fixed right away. Why isnt this being addressed? or even acknowledged?
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    Just one more reason viper/velidreth/widow/tremor need a nerf stick
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  • ManDraKE
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    raasdal wrote: »
    Just before ppl. start confusing things and thinking Vipers procs off anything and everything. Currently the only confirmed bug is concerning weapon enchants.

    There are some other things besides weapon enchants proc'ing viper from any range, but enchants are 100% chance of proc so is the most reliable one. I been having fun with this bug for months, i found it a few days after vSO was re-released, i'm surprised that it took so long to made it into the forums
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    When Viper's damage was mitigated by spell resistance the bug was fixed right away. Why isnt this being addressed? or even acknowledged?

    right away? LOL, it took 5 months to fix.
    Edited by ManDraKE on 25 October 2016 17:56
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    Turns out the poison/disease enchants on weapons are the cause of viper procing. I was using hidden blade and it did not proc with my unresistable damage enchant, swapped offhand with mainhand which had disease and bam!.. it proc'd.

    So enchants are to blaim.
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