Armor Of The Trainee - Why no Hype?

raasdal

If we ignore the Proc-meta for a second. Why is no one talking about this armor set?

It give an insane 7.5k stat bonus. Why would you even consider going Draugr Hulk for 2500 Stam bonus. when this set gives 2500 Stam AND Magicka AND Health?

Especially DK's, both mag and stam should be loving this?

AGrz5585

Mainly because with this set, all the armor pieces come in training

zuto40

It only comes in training

Sandman929

AGrz5585 wrote: »

Mainly because with this set, all the armor pieces come in training

Seriously? Oooooh, I get it, because it's "the Trainee"...well played, ZOS.

Brrrofski

Yeh, I would live this as a second 5 piece for my saptank. The training thing killed it though.

Sandman929

That has got to be the most gimmicky crap I've seen yet from ZOS. Not the set, but making it all Training...unbelievable.

raasdal

But there is the Jewelry. So would only need to be two wasted traits on body?

And i saw a post on PTS about this set dropping in other traits when you got it as a quest reward (not regular drop).?

Waffennacht

raasdal wrote: »

But there is the Jewelry. So would only need to be two wasted traits on body?

And i saw a post on PTS about this set dropping in other traits when you got it as a quest reward (not regular drop).?

I saw that as well, but I have not heard from anyone that got those live

Kas

raasdal wrote: »

But there is the Jewelry. So would only need to be two wasted traits on body?

And i saw a post on PTS about this set dropping in other traits when you got it as a quest reward (not regular drop).?

there are no dolmens on the starter isle, iirc. maybe through treasure chests but tbh, i have doubts.

Panth141

While the world drops will all be in training, as it was noted above, you can get quest drops in different traits:

"

["Armor of the Trainee"] =
{
[1] = "{ 1115 }, -- Smuggler's Vest of the Trainee (Intricate)",
[2] = "{ 1119 }, -- Gallant Chain of the Trainee (Reinforced)",
[3] = "{ 7358 }, -- Jakarn's Machete of the Trainee (Sharpened)",
[4] = "{ 7368 }, -- Seyne's Bootknife of the Trainee (Sharpened)",
[5] = "{ 7369 }, -- Bonesplinter of the Trainee (Decisive)",
[6] = "{ 7392 }, -- Darj's Shield of the Trainee (Impenetrable)",
[7] = "{ 15567 }, -- Neramo's Staff of the Trainee (Powered)",
[8] = "{ 36573 }, -- Bloodthorn Dagger of the Trainee (Precise)",
[9] = "{ 36574 }, -- Kingsguard Hammer of the Trainee (Decisive)",
[10] = "{ 36575 }, -- Targoth's Shield of the Trainee (Reinforced)",
[11] = "{ 36581 }, -- Tazgol's Ancestral Axe of the Trainee (Charged)",
[12] = "{ 43574 }, -- Storm-Slave's Razor of the Trainee (Charged)",
[13] = "{ 43576 }, -- Hazak's Hauberk of the Trainee (Well-fitted)",
[14] = "{ 43577 }, -- Ratsplatter of the Trainee (Precise)",
[15] = "{ 43578 }, -- Sugar Jacket of the Trainee (Intricate)",
[16] = "{ 43579 }, -- Rootsplitter of the Trainee (Decisive)",
[17] = "{ 43580 }, -- Queen's Own Cuirass of the Trainee (Sturdy)",
[18] = "{ 43581 }, -- Broadhead Shield of the Trainee (Reinforced)",
[19] = "{ 43582 }, -- Mourning Bow of the Trainee (Ornate)",
[20] = "{ 44458 }, -- Earth-Turner Axe of the Trainee (Precise)",
[21] = "{ 44459 }, -- General Emax's Staff of the Trainee (Charged)",
[22] = "{ 44460 }, -- General Vette's Greatsword of the Trainee (Defending)",
},

"
(Taken from here.)

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

But there is the Jewelry. So would only need to be two wasted traits on body?

And i saw a post on PTS about this set dropping in other traits when you got it as a quest reward (not regular drop).?

there are no dolmens on the starter isle, iirc. maybe through treasure chests but tbh, i have doubts.

Auridon has Dolmens, and doesn't it drop there too? I seem to recall digging a set piece out of a chest there...

Ishammael

How do you figure out which quest these are attached to?

MissBizz

zuto40 wrote: »

It only comes in training

^ Bingo.

Ishammael wrote: »

How do you figure out which quest these are attached to?

Any major "main" (alliance) story quest will give out set pieces.

Also treasure chests

Panth141

Ishammael wrote: »

How do you figure out which quest these are attached to?

@Ishammael

I have no hard and fast, guaranteed way of doing it - but I've found best results in googling the name, scrolling through the wikis that pop up and trying to find the associated set.

E.g.

Storm-Slave's Razor of the Trainee

http://teso.gamepedia.com/Storm-Slave's_Razor

'http://teso.gamepedia.com/The_Tempest_Unleashed

Of course PC addons make things easier...

Nestor

People do make or use Training trait sets to grind out CPs so this is a good set for that. It would be nicer if the set was offered in something else for a tank, like Sturdy or Reinforced for instance.

Ishammael

Nestor wrote: »

People do make or use Training trait sets to grind out CPs so this is a good set for that. It would be nicer if the set was offered in something else for a tank, like Sturdy or Reinforced for instance.

Based on the list above it looks like you can get a sharpened sword and a reinforced shield from quests.

With jewelry, that means you can avoid the training trait completely.

Next question: is the jewelry healthy or arcane or robust?

Panth141

Ishammael wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

People do make or use Training trait sets to grind out CPs so this is a good set for that. It would be nicer if the set was offered in something else for a tank, like Sturdy or Reinforced for instance.

Based on the list above it looks like you can get a sharpened sword and a reinforced shield from quests.

With jewelry, that means you can avoid the training trait completely.

Next question: is the jewelry healthy or arcane or robust?

@Ishammael

This thread seems to indicate that it can come in any...

raasdal

Well then. Looks like i will be cruising starter islands the next days!

Rohamad_Ali

I've saved some just for grinding .

Nestor

Ishammael wrote: »

Based on the list above it looks like you can get a sharpened sword and a reinforced shield from quests.

@Ishammael

A small chance to get those. As those Bosses drop those items, they are randomly assigned a set item to drop. So, the chances of getting this set piece in a non training trait is quite small. Couple that with there is no farming of most quest items as the quests are one and done, not repeatable.

However it is nice that there is a way to get something with a trait other than Training.

And, I have gotten the Trainee Jewelry, but I don't remember the trait. I think it was Arcane. I have a Ring and a Necklace, so I will have to check later.

Besides, the Set Bonus is far more important than the trait.

Pandorii

I've got a little bit of hype for this set. Spent some time farming it yesterday, but waiting for treasure chests to respawn is a little frustrating.

I'm CP 200, and I will be living in the sewers for a while to farm out my CP. I'm thinking about combining a set of armor of the trainee (160) and a set of imperial physique. They probably won't work well together. If so, I'll just resort to 1 + my julianos. I look forward to trying it out. It has a niche use in my case, I think.

Panth141

@Nestor

From the way I've understood it, the items in the above list are quest rewards, not the 'unique' boss items.

For example the sharpened weapon 'Jakarn's Machete' looks to be the reward for the quest 'Innocent Scoundrel'

driosketch

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

But there is the Jewelry. So would only need to be two wasted traits on body?

And i saw a post on PTS about this set dropping in other traits when you got it as a quest reward (not regular drop).?

there are no dolmens on the starter isle, iirc. maybe through treasure chests but tbh, i have doubts.

You can pull every slot item from chests on the starter islands, AD's being the best place to farm, and they occasionally drop from random mobs.

I've been grabbing a set on my non vets while I level them during this event.

Nestor

Panth141 wrote: »

@Nestor

From the way I've understood it, the items in the above list are quest rewards, not the 'unique' boss items.

For example the sharpened weapon 'Jakarn's Machete' looks to be the reward for the quest 'Innocent Scoundrel'

@Panth141

It is unclear on this. If you look at the Wiki's for these quests, the item dropped has always been a unique item, it just appears now that it can also be part of a set with the same unique name. Whether is just the Trainee set or it could be one of many of the new sets is not known. I guess one would have to take a new character to the starter islands and do these quests to see.

For example, Targoths shield was always the reward item, but prior it was just a Unique, now it is a Unique that is part of a set, but is it only the Trainee set or is it one of many sets that now could have the name Targoth on it.

http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLink.php?&itemid=36575&level=6&quality=2

So, if anyone has done these quests prior to the set item being introduced, they are not going to get the new one anyway if they have done the quest.

Ishammael

Panth141 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

People do make or use Training trait sets to grind out CPs so this is a good set for that. It would be nicer if the set was offered in something else for a tank, like Sturdy or Reinforced for instance.

Based on the list above it looks like you can get a sharpened sword and a reinforced shield from quests.

With jewelry, that means you can avoid the training trait completely.

Next question: is the jewelry healthy or arcane or robust?

@Ishammael

This thread seems to indicate that it can come in any...

Thanks!

While the RNG may be difficult to get past, the set is really strong.

2400 of each stat will become >3600 once all stat modifiers are applied. For heavy armor magicka builds (PvP) that need to block, this is amazing. It is definitely worth farming for.

Its not absurd to imagine >30k HP, 40k mana, 20k stam.

Sandman929

I was considering pairing this set with Plague Doctor on a Blazing Shield build...still might if I can get the right jewelry. 2 pieces of Training might not be the worst thing in the world.

Beepbeep

I got a blue ring from a chest today. I think it was healthy trait.

Pandorii

Beepbeep wrote: »

I got a blue ring from a chest today. I think it was healthy trait.

I got a purple ring yesterday. It was robust. I'm guessing there's also an arcane variant, which is what I want.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I realized I found a blue necklace of this set; it was Healthy.

Hiero_Glyph

Sandman929 wrote: »

I was considering pairing this set with Plague Doctor on a Blazing Shield build...still might if I can get the right jewelry. 2 pieces of Training might not be the worst thing in the world.

Blazing Shield builds need more than pure stat bonuses. Even using Fasalla's or Reactive would be worth more than just using a massive health pool. Add in monster sets and it's not just Scourge Harvester any more.

Sandman929

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I was considering pairing this set with Plague Doctor on a Blazing Shield build...still might if I can get the right jewelry. 2 pieces of Training might not be the worst thing in the world.

Blazing Shield builds need more than pure stat bonuses. Even using Fasalla's or Reactive would be worth more than just using a massive health pool. Add in monster sets and it's not just Scourge Harvester any more.

Extra stamina for CC breaks is invaluable in the BS Templar, and there aren't many ways that also give a boost to magicka (for casting shields) and health (for shield strength)

Plague Doctor is pure damage for a BS build, Trainee is survivability.