Are proc sets out of control?

caperon

Anyone who has visited Cyrodiil latelly must have experienced the beauty of proc sets. Yesterday i was in Azura (no CP) i wear 5 heavy impen pieces and got opened by a nb with a heavy atack (4.3k dmg) that proced Velidreth (6.4k dmg) and red mountain (4.2k dmg) fora total of 15k instant dmg. In my opinion thats a problem, making everyone run instakill proc builds or cancer builds (reactive, malubeth, permablocking blackrose).

We are at 1.6 again, this time because wrong itemiation decisions, so, are proc sets out of control?

Waffennacht

Until 1T I say yes, only because of the highly limited options.

Right now, only stamina has proc sets that really shine in 1v1 PvP (and therefore also group play) but magicka has some really weak ones. Nerien'th (sp?) and Skoria, only Skoria is useable but until the buff isn't as good.

But once all these new sets drop, it'll be more proccing, but less lop sided.

The thing I do like about the proc sets, is they give builds more venues to kill. Like DoT builds, they have a hard time bursting (can be very important with all the temps and purge out there) but a proc set can give them just enough burst to finish off opponents.

Getting ganked sucks, but they don't need a proc set for that...

(Lookin at you 25k Heavy Attack DK dude)

Vaoh

Yay

Procs sets are definitely cool, but they are too strong right now.

Something like 2x Velidreth/5x Viper's Sting is far too effective for PvP to ever be balanced. Pairing that with Black Rose is even more messed up.

Waffennacht

Vaoh wrote: »

Procs sets are definitely cool, but they are too strong right now.

Something like 2x Velidreth/5x Viper's Sting is far too effective for PvP to ever be balanced. Pairing that with Black Rose is even more messed up.

Only because of competition though. Remember everything is variable. If there (and there maybe) a defensive combo as good, or a magicka version as good, then those would all be balanced ya know?

Adenoma

Yay

That sounds like pretty big power creep.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yay

I only use Viper, cant really say anything for the other sets but Viper is very strong. All though against most heavies it doesnt do a whole lot.

I do think all these proc sets need to be tuned down but also some ultimates. Healing and heavy sustain may need a tweak to.

CapuchinSeven

Yay

If I slot Viper I can have more regen and more damage than my so called sustain magic build...

ToRelax

Yay

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Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Procs sets are definitely cool, but they are too strong right now.

Something like 2x Velidreth/5x Viper's Sting is far too effective for PvP to ever be balanced. Pairing that with Black Rose is even more messed up.

Only because of competition though. Remember everything is variable. If there (and there maybe) a defensive combo as good, or a magicka version as good, then those would all be balanced ya know?

The problem is that they rely on RNG and are out of proportion compared to standard stats. I mean, you've seen the upcoming sets that offer pure stats, right? When you need to put that many stats on a set bonus just to make someone consider using it instead of some rng proc sets, something is seriously wrong with how powerful sets are in general.

incite

Yay

Zos created a new type of gameplay called 'PvS'
(People vs Sets) well done.

Mauz

Yay

The majority of my death screens this week included one or more set procs. It'll become even worse after the next content patch.

Waffennacht

incite wrote: »

Zos created a new type of gameplay called 'PvS'
(People vs Sets) well done.

You mean SvS ... cause why would one be people and one be sets...?

Unless people are purposely not using sets... but then why would you purposely hinder yourself?

Minalan

Yay

It's not going to get fixed until magicka gets a couple of decent proc sets and the stam tears start flowing.

Rohamad_Ali

Proc sets are Developers favorite toys here . Balancing them has been a crash course in failure on the PvP side . They keep making these sets with what appears to be a PvE mindset , and then just hope after minimal testing , they function in PvP land .

This is why I didn't vote . In PvE they work most of the time to create new play style as intended . In PvP they are a number one cause of early baldness .

Waffennacht

I think us older players need to work on our mindsets

20k health no longer minimum
40k stam/magicka no longer OMG
5000 weapon dmg, no longer OMG
HA viable
10k death recap no longer OMG
Battle Spirit more than necessary now
Proc Sets now standard

Edit: 30k dps average now

Solariken

Yay

If @ZOS_BrianWheeler would give us another few thousand HP in Battle Spirit, it's possible those burst-proc sets wouldn't be quite so potent in PvP. Right now it's detrimental to put too many points into HP if you want to still have enough damage to kill even average players. What do you guys think?

olsborg

Yay

caperon wrote: »

Anyone who has visited Cyrodiil latelly must have experienced the beauty of proc sets. Yesterday i was in Azura (no CP) i wear 5 heavy impen pieces and got opened by a nb with a heavy atack (4.3k dmg) that p`roced Velidreth (6.4k dmg) and red mountain (4.2k dmg) fora total of 15k instant dmg. In my opinion thats a problem, making everyone run instakill proc builds or cancer builds (reactive, malubeth, permablocking blackrose).

We are at 1.6 again, this time because wrong itemiation decisions, so, are proc sets out of control?

Cyrodiil is now death by armor, not by skill. Just saying. @Wrobel should revisit the itemization and not make more of these procced sets and possibly remove some of the more cancerous ones, (velidreth, viper, widowmaker)

There are ok procced sets like Kra'gh and Skoria.

ToRelax

Yay

Solariken wrote: »

If @ZOS_BrianWheeler would give us another few thousand HP in Battle Spirit, it's possible those burst-proc sets wouldn't be quite so potent in PvP. Right now it's detrimental to put too many points into HP if you want to still have enough damage to kill even average players. What do you guys think?

I think that would bring with it a plethora of further problems. Such as making less damage focused builds even less viable.

Dredlord

Yay

Interesting...

Not a single no voting reem job decided to post yet.

cschwingeb14_ESO

Yay

Proc sets that have a 10% proc chance on damage aren't that bad. But Viper is the worst implementation. Guaranteed damage on a short cooldown makes it stupidly easy to set up burst. And velidreth's 20% chance seems a bit high

incite

Yay

Waffennacht wrote: »

incite wrote: »

Zos created a new type of gameplay called 'PvS'
(People vs Sets) well done.

You mean SvS ... cause why would one be people and one be sets...?

Unless people are purposely not using sets... but then why would you purposely hinder yourself?

Well im still hardcore pvp mag sorc, so no proclets here :-)

Waffennacht

@incite they'll get ya in 1T, everyone gets a proc set! Lol

Minalan

Yay

Proc sets should telegraph, a circle. A chance to dodge and escape.

12-15K on a light attack is just stupid.

Derra

Yay

olsborg wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

Anyone who has visited Cyrodiil latelly must have experienced the beauty of proc sets. Yesterday i was in Azura (no CP) i wear 5 heavy impen pieces and got opened by a nb with a heavy atack (4.3k dmg) that p`roced Velidreth (6.4k dmg) and red mountain (4.2k dmg) fora total of 15k instant dmg. In my opinion thats a problem, making everyone run instakill proc builds or cancer builds (reactive, malubeth, permablocking blackrose).

We are at 1.6 again, this time because wrong itemiation decisions, so, are proc sets out of control?

Cyrodiil is now death by armor, not by skill. Just saying. @Wrobel should revisit the itemization and not make more of these procced sets and possibly remove some of the more cancerous ones, (velidreth, viper, widowmaker)

There are ok procced sets like Kra'gh and Skoria.

I have the feeling you´re going to revisit your statement regarding skoria when it got buffed next patch

Erock25

Yay

@wrobel come on man look at this poll!

lappas

Nay

Its not op stop calling for nerfs on everything do you not understand you are ruining the game? These guys only build for dmg and after that inital burst i laugh and taket them down quite quickly. Just because you do not know how to counter certain builds does not make it op.

Erock25

Yay

lappas wrote: »

Its not op stop calling for nerfs on everything do you not understand you are ruining the game? These guys only build for dmg and after that inital burst i laugh and taket them down quite quickly. Just because you do not know how to counter certain builds does not make it op.

They actually build for sustain and rely on their procs for dmg.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Yay

Just been hit with Viper's sting/Poison Injection/Poisoned weapon proc......where is the melee attack?

And the viper's sting was the highest damage I took in that second, almost higher than the other two put together.

Jaronking

Yay

I say they need to make it so a set proc can't proc another sets proc my viper shouldn't proc my velidreth and so on and so forth.If my veldrith procs my viper should be put in cool down.#Balance.

Waffennacht

@Zorgon_The_Revenged i believe melee means any stamina move with or within x distance, or some such thing, not necessarily done via hand weapon (strange i know)

Master_Kas

Eternal hunt's poison rune procs viper aswell.

Tbh I don't mind proc sets, as long as it's not 2-3 of them proccing at the same time....

Lava_Croft

Yay

Having a proc set proc a proc set that in turn procs a proc set is such incredibly bad design that it has firmly cemented my feelings about Wrobel's professional qualities.