Buff muh mageblade

zuto40

A lot of the problems with mageblade are bugs, destro not hitting, cloak being broken by dots and gap closers and sometimes just not working, and of course the infamous unbreakable cc, but even if all that was fixed we're still not in nearly as good a spot as stam, our sustained damage is decent but our burst requires lots of build up and against a good player is pretty predictable and our aoe is nowhere near as good as stam aoes, sap essence needs a buff to damage and id say agony and morphs also need a buff which make it just as viable as fear and buffing the swallow soul heal in pvp, with battle spirit its pretty bad and might as well not be there, some of you might be thinking MAGEBLADES ARE OP WITH VD SAP ESSENCE TOO STRONK 40 MAN ZERGS ON BAL, let me just say if your that person **** you and youre wrong, thats a bomber, a build specifically built for suicide missons and very few people can pull a good bomb off and live, just cause you saw sypher do it doesnt mean its every bomber, bombers are extremely situational and after playing one for a week i can say its a lot harder then it looks, so just because bomber is good in few situations doesnt mean mageblade is op, mageblade is undeniably not in a good spot, with only mag dk being worse currently i believe so buff me plz

altemriel

no offence pls, but dude, as far as I know as mag NB you can stay cloaked almost all the time , what more do you need?

joshhh_nb

Haven't touched eso in a while but haven't they fixed cloak?

Sap does enough damage tbh same with cripple it's comparable to that of poison injection (it's so easy to dodge though but the fact that it snares and does that thing where you can't move makes it kinda op tbh). What they really need to do is make shields crittable, make sure stam classes can't do high amounts of damage without giving up sustain ( same with all the other classes tbf), refine the healing capability of all classes, buff light armour and make concealed weapon hit harder - my concealed hits harder than a surprise attack but since stam blades can debuff from surprise attack and use light attack and heavy attacks more effectively their damage output is insane and therefore I think it would be balanced to buff concealed weapon by giving it the ability to debuff spell resist, reducing its cost or making it hit harder. Looking at it objectively the only thing I have which trumps stam classes is my healing ward, it's sooo op but the fact that they can roll dodge almost infinitely whilst vigor ticks and wait for the burst heal from rally, sort of balances it out.

The best thing about mag blade is the utility it brings, so many of its skills are so useful in theory but when put into practise its utility is cancelled out by the fact that stam classes and many other classes can do even more or the same amount of damage without giving up sustain. The fact that I can't fit all of the skills I want is also part of the problem too lol.

My stats - on a nb
45k Max magic
25k max health
3.5k buffed spell damage
1.8k recovery
2.1k crit resist
46% crit chance

I can replicate this on my Templar with 2.5k crit resist 3.5k spell damage and 40k max magic and I can play even better even though my main is my mag nb.

To make it short - buff concealed weapon, buff light armour, make shields crittable, make utility useful again - right now high dmg outperforms utility. Last of all BALANCE ALL THE CLASSES CORRECTLY ZOSE. @Wrobel @Wrobel

zuto40

altemriel wrote: »

no offence pls, but dude, as far as I know as mag NB you can stay cloaked almost all the time , what more do you need?

We cant forever, some can but not all. A lot take the route of siphoning strikes to make up for low Regen, that's great in a battle but for neverending cloak we eventually run out after like 200 cloaks

CapuchinSeven

altemriel wrote: »

no offence pls, but dude, as far as I know as mag NB you can stay cloaked almost all the time , what more do you need?

It's trivial to bring a magic NB near to you out of cloak to the point where someone is just bad at ESO if they can't. The only way it works is if you gain distance from the enemy, so either dodge rolling (which stamina does better) or teleport shade (which stamina does just as well).

zuto40

joshhh_nb wrote: »

Haven't touched eso in a while but haven't they fixed cloak?

Sap does enough damage tbh same with cripple it's comparable to that of poison injection (it's so easy to dodge though but the fact that it snares and does that thing where you can't move makes it kinda op tbh). What they really need to do is make shields crittable, make sure stam classes can't do high amounts of damage without giving up sustain ( same with all the other classes tbf), refine the healing capability of all classes, buff light armour and make concealed weapon hit harder - my concealed hits harder than a surprise attack but since stam blades can debuff from surprise attack and use light attack and heavy attacks more effectively their damage output is insane and therefore I think it would be balanced to buff concealed weapon by giving it the ability to debuff spell resist, reducing its cost or making it hit harder. Looking at it objectively the only thing I have which trumps stam classes is my healing ward, it's sooo op but the fact that they can roll dodge almost infinitely whilst vigor ticks and wait for the burst heal from rally, sort of balances it out.

The best thing about mag blade is the utility it brings, so many of its skills are so useful in theory but when put into practise its utility is cancelled out by the fact that stam classes and many other classes can do even more or the same amount of damage without giving up sustain. The fact that I can't fit all of the skills I want is also part of the problem too lol.

My stats - on a nb
45k Max magic
25k max health
3.5k buffed spell damage
1.8k recovery
2.1k crit resist
46% crit chance

I can replicate this on my Templar with 2.5k crit resist 3.5k spell damage and 40k max magic and I can play even better even though my main is my mag nb.

To make it short - buff concealed weapon, buff light armour, make shields crittable, make utility useful again - right now high dmg outperforms utility. Last of all BALANCE ALL THE CLASSES CORRECTLY ZOSE. @Wrobel @Wrobel

Cripple and agony are different, agony is a cc that you can use from far away to stun 1 person and apply a weak dot when it's broken, but why it's so bad is because if they take damage it's instantly broken and only works one person at a time

LegacyDM

All magicka classes need a buff. However, since this is a mageblade discussion let me tell you all how it really is. Mageblades were balanced, now we significantly fall behind stamina in pvp. Funnel health/swallow soul and concealed weapon is easily dodgeable and hits for peanuts compared to stamina version. Cloak is too easily countered with over a dozen counters. For all those that say we can cloak forever, your either lieing or never played a mageblade or think your better than you really are. We have no burst or defensive shield. If your playstyle is to be hidden and gank, stamina build has significantly higher burst. There is no reason to be magicka. If your playstyle is a ranged siphoning build you won't put out enough damage to kill anything. Dots need a boost. Cripple, agony, and lotus fan even with skoria proccing all stacked, tickle dks, sorcs, and Templars. Wrobel recently changed the regen formula so now we have to sacrifice even more damage to keep up regen on jewelry.

Ranged Mageblade vamp s a great support character in group pvp and pve content but in 1v1 you will get wrecked. Better off stamina. However, In group play where there are multiple Templars and armor stacking dks, mageblade won't put out enough damage to do anything. Better go stam for the burst.

Other option is to go bomb blade. But that got nerfed. You could go necropetence for high magicka but you will have no regen and prices in the stored are crazy. Good luck.

The only viable way to play a mageblade now is to be a sap essence tank wearing heavy armor and proccing siphoning attacks. But why is there no burst or high damage magicka equivalent to stamina? Why am I stuck in a support role when I want to play a light armor magicka NB?

Bakven

I was on my main (a mageblade) fighting a stam DK and I couldn't kill him. My burst was too low, his healing was too high (I'd literally have him at 20% and he'd dodge roll + vigor + rally and boom full health) and he kept hitting my so damn hard the only reason I stayed alive until reinforcements came was because I'm really good at LoS (I don't use cloak) and using the teleport shade. He whispered me saying how weak I was (I used 3 soul assults on him and still couldn't kill him). How the hell can all stam builds do massive damage, tank, and heal themselves without Zos saying. "maybe we messed up".They nerfed sorc's shields because they said no one should be able to do everything. I can usually 1vX most magicka builds. Any stam builds and they either need to be alone, or total pugs who can't fight without a zerg for me to kill them now. Any half decent player on a stam build can beat most magicka builds now.

The stam meta is such bull****! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom. Can we at least get a "we know" about how OP stam builds are? Give us some word that you at least know there's a problem even if y'all won't fix it! It's better than y'all seeming ignorant on this massive balance issue. You're killing the magicka builds off completely!

Xvorg

altemriel wrote: »

no offence pls, but dude, as far as I know as mag NB you can stay cloaked almost all the time , what more do you need?

uhmm, until some stam user throw some caltrops/bombard at your position... then you are dead meat

Xvorg

LegacyDM wrote: »

All magicka classes need a buff. However, since this is a mageblade discussion let me tell you all how it really is. Mageblades were balanced, now we significantly fall behind stamina in pvp. Funnel health/swallow soul and concealed weapon is easily dodgeable and hits for peanuts compared to stamina version. Cloak is too easily countered with over a dozen counters. For all those that say we can cloak forever, your either lieing or never played a mageblade or think your better than you really are. We have no burst or defensive shield. If your playstyle is to be hidden and gank, stamina build has significantly higher burst. There is no reason to be magicka. If your playstyle is a ranged siphoning build you won't put out enough damage to kill anything. Dots need a boost. Cripple, agony, and lotus fan even with skoria proccing all stacked, tickle dks, sorcs, and Templars. Wrobel recently changed the regen formula so now we have to sacrifice even more damage to keep up regen on jewelry.

Ranged Mageblade vamp s a great support character in group pvp and pve content but in 1v1 you will get wrecked. Better off stamina. However, In group play where there are multiple Templars and armor stacking dks, mageblade won't put out enough damage to do anything. Better go stam for the burst.

Other option is to go bomb blade. But that got nerfed. You could go necropetence for high magicka but you will have no regen and prices in the stored are crazy. Good luck.

The only viable way to play a mageblade now is to be a sap essence tank wearing heavy armor and proccing siphoning attacks. But why is there no burst or high damage magicka equivalent to stamina? Why am I stuck in a support role when I want to play a light armor magicka NB?

but... but... mageblades have a ranged execute... that makes them the best magicka class...

:oknot:

Seriously, I'm considering a plea to ZoS to get rid of all the magicka concept. One resource to rule them all.

CapuchinSeven

Bakven wrote: »

I was on my main (a mageblade) fighting a stam DK and I couldn't kill him. My burst was too low, his healing was too high (I'd literally have him at 20% and he'd dodge roll + vigor + rally and boom full health) and he kept hitting my so damn hard the only reason I stayed alive until reinforcements came was because I'm really good at LoS (I don't use cloak) and using the teleport shade. He whispered me saying how weak I was (I used 3 soul assults on him and still couldn't kill him). How the hell can all stam builds do massive damage, tank, and heal themselves without Zos saying. "maybe we messed up".They nerfed sorc's shields because they said no one should be able to do everything. I can usually 1vX most magicka builds. Any stam builds and they either need to be alone, or total pugs who can't fight without a zerg for me to kill them now. Any half decent player on a stam build can beat most magicka builds now.

The stam meta is such bull****! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom. Can we at least get a "we know" about how OP stam builds are? Give us some word that you at least know there's a problem even if y'all won't fix it! It's better than y'all seeming ignorant on this massive balance issue. You're killing the magicka builds off completely!

Sounds like you've hit peak frustration, I often feel the same. The difference in magic and stamina is comically bad and the silence is the worse part.

Edziu

awesome but only 1 thing

zuto40 wrote: »

our aoe is nowhere near as good as stam aoes, sap essence needs a buff to damage

nope, stam aoe is steel tornado, weapon skill, so better will be to buff impulse from destro staff insted of only nb aoe what heals also why only this healing by damaging nb should have buffed aoe instead of normal aoe buffed for all?

joshhh_nb

Silence is deffo the worst part. I remember when mag classes were a little bit better (console 1.6) than stam classes and many players and some streamers included were crying about buffing stamina classes and preaching for balance where are they now?

Stoopid_Nwah

Yes. To all of it. It's my favourite class to play; I mean we have some of the coolest skills in the game (looking at you shadow image), and I'll continue to keep making it work, but a few buffs would be pretty awesome.

I would say that bugs compromise my biggest issues with magblades: cloak rarely works and I'm sick of my destro staff attacks missing (not dodged just literally missing lol).

I also think in the stam meta it's pretty irritating when the bulk of my attacks are projectiles (cripple, merciless, swallow soul) and you have to "build up" and time your burst just to have it all miss. Plus let's be honest, our healing is not as amazing as some make it out to be. Comparing it to stam, I constantly see stamplars and stam dks heal to full with a roll dodge or two, rally and vigour.

But yeah, some magblades can permacloak, so we all must be fine .

Lava_Croft

When has a permanently Cloaked MagBlade ever posed any kind of threat?

kaithuzar

perma-cloak? through what? hurricane, the big templar circle, caltrops, magelight, EVERY AOE IN THE GAME?
Lets not forget about stealth detect pots, even as a mag nb I use them for other nb's.

Concealed definitely needs a buff, on shuffle stackers I miss 7/10 attacks. I think a small part of this due to not being exactly at the perfect distance & angle needed as sometimes I'm too close to the target & I notice if they back away a little then it would hit. Impale is horrible at this type of thing, ie... if they are not directly in front of you & your camera is turned 10 degrees right or left, you will not hit them.

To be honest I took cripple off my bar, I just don't feel like it's beneficial enough & in duels I take cloak off.

I wouldn't even think that conceal needed a buff per se if there was either a champion point area or something that allowed me to increase my chance to hit an enemy so I can combat the dodge chance/miss chance stackers. What about a weapon glyph?

LegacyDM

kaithuzar wrote: »

perma-cloak? through what? hurricane, the big templar circle, caltrops, magelight, EVERY AOE IN THE GAME?
Lets not forget about stealth detect pots, even as a mag nb I use them for other nb's.

Concealed definitely needs a buff, on shuffle stackers I miss 7/10 attacks. I think a small part of this due to not being exactly at the perfect distance & angle needed as sometimes I'm too close to the target & I notice if they back away a little then it would hit. Impale is horrible at this type of thing, ie... if they are not directly in front of you & your camera is turned 10 degrees right or left, you will not hit them.

To be honest I took cripple off my bar, I just don't feel like it's beneficial enough & in duels I take cloak off.

I wouldn't even think that conceal needed a buff per se if there was either a champion point area or something that allowed me to increase my chance to hit an enemy so I can combat the dodge chance/miss chance stackers. What about a weapon glyph?

Concealed. Also funnel health/swallow soul. Last night I was messing around with necropetence set getting my swallow soul tooltip up to 10k. Guess how much my 10k swallow soul was hitting a certain female Stam Templar in pvp. approximatly 3.1k... 3.1fricken k. Seriously? Not to mention they can can just roll dodge and shuffle stack. There are no good options for ranged msgeblades. None. Period. You stack dots and it's a joke.

thankyourat

Bakven wrote: »

I was on my main (a mageblade) fighting a stam DK and I couldn't kill him. My burst was too low, his healing was too high (I'd literally have him at 20% and he'd dodge roll + vigor + rally and boom full health) and he kept hitting my so damn hard the only reason I stayed alive until reinforcements came was because I'm really good at LoS (I don't use cloak) and using the teleport shade. He whispered me saying how weak I was (I used 3 soul assults on him and still couldn't kill him). How the hell can all stam builds do massive damage, tank, and heal themselves without Zos saying. "maybe we messed up".They nerfed sorc's shields because they said no one should be able to do everything. I can usually 1vX most magicka builds. Any stam builds and they either need to be alone, or total pugs who can't fight without a zerg for me to kill them now. Any half decent player on a stam build can beat most magicka builds now.

The stam meta is such bull****! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom. Can we at least get a "we know" about how OP stam builds are? Give us some word that you at least know there's a problem even if y'all won't fix it! It's better than y'all seeming ignorant on this massive balance issue. You're killing the magicka builds off completely!

Dude it's the same for me I hate fighting dks and stam templars. It's almost no way to win. It's basically like that against every class more so against dk because they have wings and shuffle. I have to work so hard to get kills on my magblade. I basically need my spectral bow and meteor to hit at the same time to beat any well geared player. Destro staff is too buggy the light attacking is broken and sometimes my heavy attacks miss without being dodged. The one for thing about magblade is if you kill someone you know flat out that you are more skilled at the game thank they are. Either magblade needs to be buffed or every other class needs to be nerfed

CapuchinSeven

It doesn't help much that the current weapon ultimates are a huge stamina buff.

budrow

Xvorg wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

no offence pls, but dude, as far as I know as mag NB you can stay cloaked almost all the time , what more do you need?

uhmm, until some stam user throw some caltrops/bombard at your position... then you are dead meat

Dodge roll, fear if they gap close, cloak when u can then change directions.

ManDraKE

LegacyDM wrote: »

All magicka classes need a buff

Magicka classes don't need buff, what needs to be buffed is light armor. That is the main reason while magika is underperforming right know (and some stams sets like velidreth being stupidly OP). But classes -in general- are all ok, mDK may lack some things for solo play, but besides that all magika classes have the tools needed, is light armor that dosn't work well on the current meta, compared to medium and heavy on stam.

thankyourat

ManDraKE wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

All magicka classes need a buff

Magicka classes don't need buff, what needs to be buffed is light armor. That is the main reason while magika is underperforming right know (and some stams sets like velidreth being stupidly OP). But classes -in general- are all ok, mDK may lack some things for solo play, but besides that all magika classes have the tools needed, is light armor that dosn't work well on the current meta, compared to medium and heavy on stam.

What about all the CCs and magickas low stamina pool?

LBxFinalDeath

Tbh dual wield magic nightblade using concealed weapon....none of that trashy sap essence useless garbage, pop pots for major sorcery with a defending trait resto on back bar seems to be the most effective way to use a Mageblade in PvP.

Dual staff is infinitely better for PvE though.

To be honest I stand and fight a lot more on my Mageblade than I do on a Stamblade due to Magic Nightblade being able to stack resistances up to the cap if spec'd right (over by just a bit if you use warden and it procs) while still having really high spell damage (Around 3245 unbuffed with julianos with nirnhoned turogs swords and two piece kena) in comparison to the standard 2500 spell damage most builds use.

Put some champion points into spell pen for good measure.

(I use two piece heavy...chest and legs with the rest being light personally with blue food that increases max HP and max magicka to put me at 45K max magicka...yes stam is a problem but not as big of a prob as I expected, one heavy attack and it is pretty much all back so rapid fire CC breaks if I don't get glitchy CC spammed back to back after breaking out of one already)

Could prolly sacrifice some max magicka for more stam if its that big of a problem for you with purple food, I guess.

Very few people expect you to hit hard as a Magic Nightblade unless you use an Ult...so if I'm being mobbed by someone I'll pop a resto shield on my tanky af resto bar then switch back and start DPS'ing with a crippling grasp into concealed weapon anim cancel, if they try and run they get a tether that seals their fate.

ManDraKE

thankyourat wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

All magicka classes need a buff

Magicka classes don't need buff, what needs to be buffed is light armor. That is the main reason while magika is underperforming right know (and some stams sets like velidreth being stupidly OP). But classes -in general- are all ok, mDK may lack some things for solo play, but besides that all magika classes have the tools needed, is light armor that dosn't work well on the current meta, compared to medium and heavy on stam.

What about all the CCs and magickas low stamina pool?

That is L2P issue, any good magika player knows how to manage his stam to being able to CC break after every CC inmunity period. Bad magika players run out of stam 10seconds into the battle, that has always been like that.

bowmanz607

I dont think you know how to mag blade.

strong burst damage.
viable dots for sustain
more utility tan any other class
sap is strong. it is no meant to give the best dps cause it heals for so much
they make great healers
great passives that provide max mag and sustain
strong execute
great mobility on the battlefield
only mag build with a dodge chance
top notch healing ability with pretty good damage and cheap
solid gap closer
works very well in group play and solo
can dps/ tank/ or heal with them.(heck one of the best for doing a three at once)
ranged an area cc

zuto40

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I dont think you know how to mag blade.

strong burst damage.
viable dots for sustain
more utility tan any other class
sap is strong. it is no meant to give the best dps cause it heals for so much
they make great healers
great passives that provide max mag and sustain
strong execute
great mobility on the battlefield
only mag build with a dodge chance
top notch healing ability with pretty good damage and cheap
solid gap closer
works very well in group play and solo
can dps/ tank/ or heal with them.(heck one of the best for doing a three at once)
ranged an area cc

burst damage- stam does better
dots on a magic build in pvp? lol.
rather have a magplar anyday
saps heal is weak and isnt worth slotting unless youre a bomber
rather take a magplar then any nb healer in pvp
tru we have good passives with sustain
okish execute that can be reflected back, magplar doesnt have this problem
garbage mobility in a meta where everyone spams caltrops, you can pull the shade argument but when everywhere within 20 feet is covered in caltrops it doesnt help for ****
Shuffle>blur on magic builds
if by solid you mean weak damage and garbage dot then yes, 100% solid
good in groups as a bomber and tough to do solo when you find a dk who knows wings counters you, also hard to 1vX when fighting multiple magplars
anyone can dps, tanking requires your foes to be brain dead, and like i said templar>nightblade
ranged cc breaks upon damage making it hard to use and area cc can be used and is used by stam just as much

bowmanz607

zuto40 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I dont think you know how to mag blade.

strong burst damage.
viable dots for sustain
more utility tan any other class
sap is strong. it is no meant to give the best dps cause it heals for so much
they make great healers
great passives that provide max mag and sustain
strong execute
great mobility on the battlefield
only mag build with a dodge chance
top notch healing ability with pretty good damage and cheap
solid gap closer
works very well in group play and solo
can dps/ tank/ or heal with them.(heck one of the best for doing a three at once)
ranged an area cc

burst damage- stam does better
dots on a magic build in pvp? lol.
rather have a magplar anyday
saps heal is weak and isnt worth slotting unless youre a bomber
rather take a magplar then any nb healer in pvp
tru we have good passives with sustain
okish execute that can be reflected back, magplar doesnt have this problem
garbage mobility in a meta where everyone spams caltrops, you can pull the shade argument but when everywhere within 20 feet is covered in caltrops it doesnt help for ****
if by solid you mean weak damage and garbage dot then yes, 100% solid
good in groups as a bomber and tough to do solo when you find a dk who knows wings counters you, also hard to 1vX when fighting multiple magplars
anyone can dps, tanking requires your foes to be brain dead, and like i said templar>nightblade
ranged cc breaks upon damage making it hard to use and area cc can be used and is used by stam just as much

-stam has higher bust sure, but that does not mean mag blades do not have strong burst. the difference is an issue with stam v mag in general. not a mag blade issue.
-yes
-just b/c you prefer a mag temp does not mean magblade has a problem. perhaps you should go play mag temp instead then. this is a preference issue.
-sap heal is pretty solid when faced with multiple targets and can be asily combined with shadow path and/or swallow soul for single target you rely on swallow. it also gives major sorc. you dont need bomb build. learn to use it. it is a powerfu ability. o and 8% max mag. o and 1 ult.
-im not denying templar has best heals, but mag lade heals are very solid and easily second best in game. not to mention nb healling abilities couple as damage abilities, so nb can dps ad heal better.
-execute is powerful.
-garbage mobility????? only ma class with speed buff. plus cloak for psitioning. plus shade. they have great mobility. the more i read what you write the convinced i am you need to learn to magblade.
-only 2 mag gap closers in game and nb have one.
-can do more in groups than bomb. again learn to magblade. if dk has wings us concealed and gap closer and time projectiles with dk wings downtime. and ya multiple temp spamming bol and JB is enough to kill any single player.
-ya it beaks on damage jus like most cc in game.

im sorry but all of your issues are learn to nb

zuto40

bowmanz607 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I dont think you know how to mag blade.

strong burst damage.
viable dots for sustain
more utility tan any other class
sap is strong. it is no meant to give the best dps cause it heals for so much
they make great healers
great passives that provide max mag and sustain
strong execute
great mobility on the battlefield
only mag build with a dodge chance
top notch healing ability with pretty good damage and cheap
solid gap closer
works very well in group play and solo
can dps/ tank/ or heal with them.(heck one of the best for doing a three at once)
ranged an area cc

burst damage- stam does better
dots on a magic build in pvp? lol.
rather have a magplar anyday
saps heal is weak and isnt worth slotting unless youre a bomber
rather take a magplar then any nb healer in pvp
tru we have good passives with sustain
okish execute that can be reflected back, magplar doesnt have this problem
garbage mobility in a meta where everyone spams caltrops, you can pull the shade argument but when everywhere within 20 feet is covered in caltrops it doesnt help for ****
if by solid you mean weak damage and garbage dot then yes, 100% solid
good in groups as a bomber and tough to do solo when you find a dk who knows wings counters you, also hard to 1vX when fighting multiple magplars
anyone can dps, tanking requires your foes to be brain dead, and like i said templar>nightblade
ranged cc breaks upon damage making it hard to use and area cc can be used and is used by stam just as much

-stam has higher bust sure, but that does not mean mag blades do not have strong burst. the difference is an issue with stam v mag in general. not a mag blade issue.
-yes
-just b/c you prefer a mag temp does not mean magblade has a problem. perhaps you should go play mag temp instead then. this is a preference issue.
-sap heal is pretty solid when faced with multiple targets and can be asily combined with shadow path and/or swallow soul for single target you rely on swallow. it also gives major sorc. you dont need bomb build. learn to use it. it is a powerfu ability. o and 8% max mag. o and 1 ult.
-im not denying templar has best heals, but mag lade heals are very solid and easily second best in game. not to mention nb healling abilities couple as damage abilities, so nb can dps ad heal better.
-execute is powerful.
-garbage mobility????? only ma class with speed buff. plus cloak for psitioning. plus shade. they have great mobility. the more i read what you write the convinced i am you need to learn to magblade.
-only 2 mag gap closers in game and nb have one.
-can do more in groups than bomb. again learn to magblade. if dk has wings us concealed and gap closer and time projectiles with dk wings downtime. and ya multiple temp spamming bol and JB is enough to kill any single player.
-ya it beaks on damage jus like most cc in game.

im sorry but all of your issues are learn to nb

im becoming more convinced you have no clue what a mageblade even is

-Mageblade burst requires build up which is super easy to see coming
-No
-requires heavy armor sap tank to live against multiple enemies unless they are god awful
-id actually take a magic dk for heals and area control with combat physician over a mageblade anyday too, so that leaves just sorc which brings better utility to the group with negate
-execute is reflectable, dodgeable, less damage then stam executes, and blockable
-yes garbage mobility in a stam meta where everyone runs caltrops, cant hide, cant run, and anyone can slot rapids btw which is better then blur by far
-no every class has a magic gap closer, lotus fan, toppling charge, chains, streak, all magic gap closers
-the whole point of a ranged mageblade is to not get close why would i gap close what is wrong with you, and on my stamblade its easy to burst a templar down, ambush>incap>surprise>
-what other cc breaks right away upon damage

Stoopid_Nwah

Lol to the guy who said impale was a strong execute.

bowmanz607

zuto40 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I dont think you know how to mag blade.

strong burst damage.
viable dots for sustain
more utility tan any other class
sap is strong. it is no meant to give the best dps cause it heals for so much
they make great healers
great passives that provide max mag and sustain
strong execute
great mobility on the battlefield
only mag build with a dodge chance
top notch healing ability with pretty good damage and cheap
solid gap closer
works very well in group play and solo
can dps/ tank/ or heal with them.(heck one of the best for doing a three at once)
ranged an area cc

burst damage- stam does better
dots on a magic build in pvp? lol.
rather have a magplar anyday
saps heal is weak and isnt worth slotting unless youre a bomber
rather take a magplar then any nb healer in pvp
tru we have good passives with sustain
okish execute that can be reflected back, magplar doesnt have this problem
garbage mobility in a meta where everyone spams caltrops, you can pull the shade argument but when everywhere within 20 feet is covered in caltrops it doesnt help for ****
if by solid you mean weak damage and garbage dot then yes, 100% solid
good in groups as a bomber and tough to do solo when you find a dk who knows wings counters you, also hard to 1vX when fighting multiple magplars
anyone can dps, tanking requires your foes to be brain dead, and like i said templar>nightblade
ranged cc breaks upon damage making it hard to use and area cc can be used and is used by stam just as much

-stam has higher bust sure, but that does not mean mag blades do not have strong burst. the difference is an issue with stam v mag in general. not a mag blade issue.
-yes
-just b/c you prefer a mag temp does not mean magblade has a problem. perhaps you should go play mag temp instead then. this is a preference issue.
-sap heal is pretty solid when faced with multiple targets and can be asily combined with shadow path and/or swallow soul for single target you rely on swallow. it also gives major sorc. you dont need bomb build. learn to use it. it is a powerfu ability. o and 8% max mag. o and 1 ult.
-im not denying templar has best heals, but mag lade heals are very solid and easily second best in game. not to mention nb healling abilities couple as damage abilities, so nb can dps ad heal better.
-execute is powerful.
-garbage mobility????? only ma class with speed buff. plus cloak for psitioning. plus shade. they have great mobility. the more i read what you write the convinced i am you need to learn to magblade.
-only 2 mag gap closers in game and nb have one.
-can do more in groups than bomb. again learn to magblade. if dk has wings us concealed and gap closer and time projectiles with dk wings downtime. and ya multiple temp spamming bol and JB is enough to kill any single player.
-ya it beaks on damage jus like most cc in game.

im sorry but all of your issues are learn to nb

im becoming more convinced you have no clue what a mageblade even is

-Mageblade burst requires build up which is super easy to see coming
-No
-requires heavy armor sap tank to live against multiple enemies unless they are god awful
-id actually take a magic dk for heals and area control with combat physician over a mageblade anyday too, so that leaves just sorc which brings better utility to the group with negate
-execute is reflectable, dodgeable, less damage then stam executes, and blockable
-yes garbage mobility in a stam meta where everyone runs caltrops, cant hide, cant run, and anyone can slot rapids btw which is better then blur by far
-no every class has a magic gap closer, lotus fan, toppling charge, chains, streak, all magic gap closers
-the whole point of a ranged mageblade is to not get close why would i gap close what is wrong with you, and on my stamblade its easy to burst a templar down, ambush>incap>surprise>
-what other cc breaks right away upon damage

-all burst damage is predictable.
-ya sap tank requires multiple players sure. but that does not mean sap is not effective. you cant stay fover running it, but is still solid. not to mention synergizes well with other abilities such as wall of elements or path of darfness or bomb or aoe ults.
-sorry but any competent mag blade healer is going to out pace a mag dk.
-only execute not dodgeable is RD. less damage than stam because it is amg/stam divide not a mag blade problem. All are blockable.
-not everyone runs caltrops and for solo play it is less likely to run into trops. and ya trops is supposed to counter mobility that is the point. difference is a nb can use shade to get out of them. still has arguablly the best mobility with sorc being the only other one to compete in that category for mag.
-chains is trash. who the hell uses that in pvp? streak is a sloppy excuse for a gap closer because of the hesitation at the end of a streak where other gap closers you can instantly continue fighting. it is more of a positioning skill.
-the whole point of a magblade is not range???? maybe your playstyle is. mag blade excells at melee also. hence conceled weapon and a gap closer.
-petrify, rune prison, agony. i admittedly over generalized here, but still falls in line with other CC abilities that break on damage.

just because it is easier to do some things on oher classes does not mean that mag blade has anything wrong with it. many things you have stated goes to the divide between mag ans stam (which i think is overstated at times 0 not a problem associated with mag blade. In fact, a mag blade is at least top 2 in many categories.

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Lol to the guy who said impale was a strong execute.

ya i over stated it. it is not overlly powerful or anything. but it does its job and hits high enough to use over a spammable dps when in range. Also, still the second best mag execute in game.

LBxFinalDeath

To be honest a properly spec'd out Magic Nightblade should beat a Stamina Nightblade in a 1v1 nine times out of ten if the Stamblade can't instantly kill the Magic Nightblade before the Mageblade gets going.

Can cloak a lot more, can put out as much dps if not higher once you add in the spectral bow that inherently does far more damage than the stam version of it that can be weaved into concealed weapon anim cancels...add in soul tether hitting a lot harder for a Magic NB and its GG R.I.P Stamblade...oh and can't forget the resto shield being infinitely better as a heal than vigor or rally (rally could be argued but still the fact resto shield has its own resistances ontop of a Magic NBs already slightly higher than Stamblade resistances pretty much seals the deal for resto shield being better tbh)

Where it gets shady is when Magic Nightblade fights other classes..primarily Magic Sorc whereas...a stamblade would shred a shield stacking magic sorc nowadays rather easily.

Impale is a trashy execute imo, it has a weird delay for some reason that kind of gives people who should have died a moment to heal themselves, soul tether is a much better execute tbh. =P