Magicka Dragonknights aren't dead yet!

Belicourt

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

To be clear to the OP, I meant no disrespect by my post. If you are having a ball then that's the best anyone can hope for and glad you are having fun seriously.

I unfortunately had loved playing my Magica Sorcerer in PVP and had only gotten decent with her just before the bottom dropped out of being competitive in PVP with the Stamina domination patches recently. I dont want to be OP, just competitive so have to shelve her. I'[ve respecced no less than ten times and tried everything.

Again if you are having fun awesome. And you may want to limit your time on these(&almost any) forums. They can be toxic to the soul seriously.

Definitely. Maybe I should've worded my thread differently. I forgot how toxic the forums can get lol. Nevertheless seeing mDKs at least on xb1 is a rare sight, and seeing good ones is an even rarer occasion. I just figured I'd post and show that with 2 mDKs and a healer what can be done at least in no CP campaigns. My guild has a blast and we've never ran into a situation where being outnumbered deterred us from fighting.

Thought people would just accept it for what it is and enjoy the video. Btw, apparently 50 cent is too much for ZOS to handle. Got a PM that the video has too much vulgar language in it lol. Maybe when they fix the game I'll take my music selection more seriously.

I'm on Xbox one. What alliance are you?

Daggerfall. Fighting for the covenant is the only way to go.

I am DC as well. I'm blue daba dee daba da

Add me. Westonius227. I'll group with you sometime

I'm also mag dk xbone.

AlexandLeGrand

Baconlad

I refuse to fight draginknights untill they fix (change?) root mechanics, so that my sweeps channel allows my took to change direction...currently if I get rooted I have to purge just to be able to hit my enemy who is still in range just behind me.

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Baconlad but that's the thing, your purge wipes out not just my talons, but the other 2 DoTs I've placed on you. I can't rely on rooting you in a meteor DoT to burst you (meteor is mDKs execute), and you can heal to full with two flicks of the wrist. Magplar vs mDK is like two ironclad warships fighting in the days of steel cannonballs--neither had enough firepower to punch through the others defenses. I find it refreshing that the only way I can beat a magplar is to bait then into using Jesus beam then bash, flame lash, CC, meteor. Only way I can beat a magplar is to outplay them.

Better than the cheesy poison injection, ambush, fear, incap strike that I seem to always die to these days...

Lokey0024

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Baconlad but that's the thing, your purge wipes out not just my talons, but the other 2 DoTs I've placed on you. I can't rely on rooting you in a meteor DoT to burst you (meteor is mDKs execute), and you can heal to full with two flicks of the wrist. Magplar vs mDK is like two ironclad warships fighting in the days of steel cannonballs--neither had enough firepower to punch through the others defenses. I find it refreshing that the only way I can beat a magplar is to bait then into using Jesus beam then bash, flame lash, CC, meteor. Only way I can beat a magplar is to outplay them.

Better than the cheesy poison injection, ambush, fear, incap strike that I seem to always die to these days...

Hey i actually have to put down my beer to cast poison injection before my wtfbbq combo now a days. Players to tanky, plz nerf

ZoM_Head

psychotic13 wrote: »

Group play and solo are 2 different animals.

This......

I completely avoid zergs, so my Imperial Stamina DK does just fine solo (no wrecking blow/heroic slash build, i made my own dot build which works just fine).

My magicka DK however, just can not for the life of him deal even average damage, heals or proper defences.

Rainingblood

It's funny.... Another thread in this forum asks what the hardest class to go up against is. And the replies of mDK seem to be posted more than any other class, with Magplar being a close 2nd.

I agree with you, OP. MDK is very fun to play, but also one of the most challenging to play well. That's why a lot of players don't prefer playing a mDK even if they like the class, because there are many other options that do well with minimal skill. Do they need some love? Yes. But haters gonna hate.

ThulsaDoomDC

Rainingblood wrote: »

It's funny.... Another thread in this forum asks what the hardest class to go up against is. And the replies of mDK seem to be posted more than any other class, with Magplar being a close 2nd.

I agree with you, OP. MDK is very fun to play, but also one of the most challenging to play well. That's why a lot of players don't prefer playing a mDK even if they like the class, because there are many other options that do well with minimal skill. Do they need some love? Yes. But haters gonna hate.

This

runagate

I was using my argonian (since 2014) mDK as a healer in Trinimac/Clever Alchemist and then mysteriously stopped healing on this toon right when Argonians got a nice racial passive to healing. The idea was to toss out as many shields, including Barrier, and keep Igneous up all the time to boost HoTs and not as a main healer, using Deep Breath to replenish magicka in groups and self-heal.

That worked pretty good but now I make my poor argonian magicka Templar in Meritorious Service do utility heals.

Instead I've followed up on weird ideas I read here and there and made a Phoenix/Vicious Death/Valkyn Skoria build, using Soul Magic skills to proc Soul Shatter on death. Also leveling Shatter Soul ultimate (the one that makes enemies explode on death) so that regardless of whether I or one of my enemies die, explosions everywhere. Since @Vaoh helpfully pointed out that Soul Shatter is based off Health (and Igneous is, too) I put a bunch of points into Health and my oh my is this character fun to play now.

Igneous Shield / Green Dragon Blood (actually heals decently with Major buff from Igneous) / Structured Entropy / Consuming Trap (needed to proc explode on death since the Ulti is on the other bar, and restores nice stam/health/magicka on enemy death) / Shooting Star (fire because DK, and ulti-builder, but mostly use the cheap as hell Shatter Soul... at least it adds some magicka regen due to being Mage's Guild)

Harness Magicka / Burning Talons / Engulfing Flames (+7% damage from all fire sources) / Cinder Storm / Scalding Rune / Shatter Soul ultimate (morph that makes enemies explode on death... as does Vicious Death)

No need for Molten Weapons due to Structured Entropy, and many of these skills proc Empower as Mage's Guild skills.

I wouldn't get away with any of this crap if it weren't for the Argonian healing and potion passive buffs, I suspect, but a decent amount of the time this build works for busting zergballs and is ok one-on-one due to the survivability and sustain and sneakily effective stacking of DoTs.

Also, once Phoenix procs I just use Wykkyd to swap into Elf Bane with all Health enchants until the cool down ends.

I absolutely love theorycrafting with weird set and skill combinations but in this particular instance it actually seems to be working and I still need to actually level up the Soul magick skills.

ThulsaDoomDC

https://youtu.be/OJj6OJgcTbI


Another taste

DUTCH_REAPER

We're not dead....there are those of us who still play the class in PVP regardless of the meta. We are as someone has said previously....an endangered species.

frownsyndromes

dude that was so hard to watch hahha took you like 9 years to 1v1 a lvl 26 and your other clips are literally you and your boys outnumbering underleveled scrubs that dont even look like they know what the game is. sorry man but i dont understand how this remotely is worth having on youtube to justify dragonknnights hahaha

Burning_Talons

No, they just require skill something alot of people refuse to deal with or else its "Nerfed to death and useless"

ThulsaDoomDC

frownsyndromes wrote: »

dude that was so hard to watch hahha took you like 9 years to 1v1 a lvl 26 and your other clips are literally you and your boys outnumbering underleveled scrubs that dont even look like they know what the game is. sorry man but i dont understand how this remotely is worth having on youtube to justify dragonknnights hahaha

Cool. Thanks for your imput! I'll reevaluate how I got emperor in bwb!

ThulsaDoomDC

Let me clarify a few points.

1. I'm not saying Dk's are dead. I'm saying you don't see many mDKs anymore for the reasons burning talons just pointed out.

2. It's a YouTube video. Sorry if you didn't enjoy it. But simply saying oh it took you forever to do xyz or coming up with other reasons like it's a zerg of lvl 15s. Lol. Good players are good players. Doesn't matter what lvl. It's blackwater blade. Everyone has a ton of battle spirit, and for 3 players and sometimes 2 to take on a large group of anyone and kill them, yeah they may be potatoes but I don't see you making any videos nor do I see you taking on large groups with 2 or 3 people.

3. Lastly, it's open world pvp. I'm not a dueler. All these clips are obviously real world pvp scenarios. I don't get to matchmake my opponents based on skill. So hop off, enjoy or don't enjoy the video and if you think you can do better then by all means do so. Make your own thread. Make your own video. Or if you're on xb1 duel me.

Also @DKsUnite thanks for your build. Give credit where it's due.

Bdawwg

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

https://youtu.be/OJj6OJgcTbI


Another taste

What sets are you running in bwb? I find magicka very easy to run out of even with 5 seducers in heavy

ThulsaDoomDC

Bdawwg wrote: »

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

https://youtu.be/OJj6OJgcTbI


Another taste

What sets are you running in bwb? I find magicka very easy to run out of even with 5 seducers in heavy

5 pc tavas, 4 pc magnus, 3 pc willpower. I rely on my ultimates and potions for my resources

Adenoma

@Bdawwg , I've been having very few sustain issues on magDK since I morphed inhale to draw essence. In nonvet I greatly prefer that morph for sustain. In vet I would do the other. Otherwise I'm in 5h/2l 1h&s/resto. I run 3x willpower with spell damage enchants, 5 seducer, and 3/4 Magnus. One of the things with magDK I've found is you literally don't spam abilities. Only talons when they're out of talons, for example. Wait for your inhale to exhale, etc. when I'm moving to a second target I'll often heavy resto them to regain resources. Otherwise, I'm running food and the atronach mundus that puts me near 40k max magicka and 1400 recovery. You really want to run max stats because it improves your battle roar returns. If I am low on resources and I have banner up I drop that, but otherwise in protracted fights I devouring swarm on cool down to stop having to self heal and have resource return.

Bdawwg

Thank you both for the insight

Lava_Croft

MagDK's: More common than MagBlades.

bowmanz607

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MagDK's: More common than MagBlades.

Where are you playing lol

ThulsaDoomDC

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MagDK's: More common than MagBlades.

For real. Where are you playing lol

ZOS_JohanaB

A couple of comments have been removed for baiting. While we can understand that not everyone has the same opinion there's no reason to be rude. Please follow the community rules and remember to respect everyone.

ThulsaDoomDC

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

A couple of comments have been removed for baiting. While we can understand that not everyone has the same opinion there's no reason to be rude. Please follow the community rules and remember to respect everyone.

Don't think anyone here was being that way, nor do I think people are getting butt hurt. Sometimes ZOS, while your intentions are good your execution upon them suck.

Viva La Censorship

Moglijuana

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

A couple of comments have been removed for baiting. While we can understand that not everyone has the same opinion there's no reason to be rude. Please follow the community rules and remember to respect everyone.

LMAO. So stating that I didn't learn anything from this thread is grounds for baiting? Is it my fault that when I click a thread in regards to Magicka DK that I can't have some kind of hope it's going to contain information that I could use to make my Magicka DK better than it is currently? I apologize for being a little more advanced than OP is currently on his toon ( keep playing @ThulsaDoomDC you're doing great) and being disappointed in seeing that no major discoveries were found and posted here to make MagDK better than what it is now. DID YOU KNOW PEOPLE ACTUALLY STILL PLAY MAGICKA DK? Did you know there is a 7 page thread that contains a 26 page document with extremely detailed suggestions on how to improve the class from a LARGE number of well known and established players? .

Instead of wasting your time playing cops and robbers on the forums why not put those hours wasted into balancing your s**t game and you wouldn't even have much to patrol anymore...

ThulsaDoomDC

Moglijuana wrote: »

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

A couple of comments have been removed for baiting. While we can understand that not everyone has the same opinion there's no reason to be rude. Please follow the community rules and remember to respect everyone.

LMAO. So stating that I didn't learn anything from this thread is grounds for baiting? Is it my fault that when I click a thread in regards to Magicka DK that I can't have some kind of hope it's going to contain information that I could use to make my Magicka DK better than it is currently? I apologize for being a little more advanced than OP is currently on his toon ( keep playing @ThulsaDoomDC you're doing great) and being disappointed in seeing that no major discoveries were found and posted here to make MagDK better than what it is now. DID YOU KNOW PEOPLE ACTUALLY STILL PLAY MAGICKA DK? Did you know there is a 7 page thread that contains a 26 page document with extremely detailed suggestions on how to improve the class from a LARGE number of well known and established players? .

Instead of wasting your time playing cops and robbers on the forums why not put those hours wasted into balancing your s**t game and you wouldn't even have much to patrol anymore...

No disrespect taken. Unite against ZOS lol

Moglijuana

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

A couple of comments have been removed for baiting. While we can understand that not everyone has the same opinion there's no reason to be rude. Please follow the community rules and remember to respect everyone.

LMAO. So stating that I didn't learn anything from this thread is grounds for baiting? Is it my fault that when I click a thread in regards to Magicka DK that I can't have some kind of hope it's going to contain information that I could use to make my Magicka DK better than it is currently? I apologize for being a little more advanced than OP is currently on his toon ( keep playing @ThulsaDoomDC you're doing great) and being disappointed in seeing that no major discoveries were found and posted here to make MagDK better than what it is now. DID YOU KNOW PEOPLE ACTUALLY STILL PLAY MAGICKA DK? Did you know there is a 7 page thread that contains a 26 page document with extremely detailed suggestions on how to improve the class from a LARGE number of well known and established players? .

Instead of wasting your time playing cops and robbers on the forums why not put those hours wasted into balancing your s**t game and you wouldn't even have much to patrol anymore...

No disrespect taken. Unite against ZOS lol

It's an Uphill battle man, for sure. Keep slaying on that DK. One day they'll over buff us again to the top...maybe

reiverx

One of the most frustrating things is when I see a stam character take out a mage guard in a split second. I'm not really sure why ZOS thinks it's somehow beneficial when a class under performs at pretty much everything.

bowmanz607

reiverx wrote: »

One of the most frustrating things is when I see a stam character take out a mage guard in a split second. I'm not really sure why ZOS thinks it's somehow beneficial when a class under performs at pretty much everything.

They excel in group play

Tonturri

bowmanz607 wrote: »

reiverx wrote: »

One of the most frustrating things is when I see a stam character take out a mage guard in a split second. I'm not really sure why ZOS thinks it's somehow beneficial when a class under performs at pretty much everything.

They excel in group play

Could you please explain why? Somewhat off topic but I've seen this tossed around but can't find any exact details. Only one I can think of is Talons, but if I recall it's inferior to Bombard. Would be much appreciated.

bowmanz607

Tonturri wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

reiverx wrote: »

One of the most frustrating things is when I see a stam character take out a mage guard in a split second. I'm not really sure why ZOS thinks it's somehow beneficial when a class under performs at pretty much everything.

They excel in group play

Could you please explain why? Somewhat off topic but I've seen this tossed around but can't find any exact details. Only one I can think of is Talons, but if I recall it's inferior to Bombard. Would be much appreciated.

Well ya talons which can not be overstated especially with the Bombard nerf.. But multiple aoe dots and aoe attacks. Can also take a lot of damage while dishing it out especially with healers. Works well as a distraction also. Such as going into a group first to take aggro or running into a tower farm first etc. Not to mention standard is a great addition to group play. Again, talons. Lol