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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Why do i get destroyed in pvp all the time

  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please explain how impen is overrated.

    Impen reduces crit damage. Crit damage does not happen all of the time. Wasting resources on a bonus is a waste. I'll use an example.

    Let's say you get hit for 10k non crit damage. The crit bumps it up to 15k. Your impen accounts for, say, 50% midigation. That makes it into a 12.5k damage hit to you. Congrats you just used your trait to lessen what amounts to a light attack away from you.

    But wait there is more ... most people only crit about 50% of the time. So half the time it's useless.

    In effect your using a trait to lessen a 50% damage bonus that occurs about 50% of the time by about 50%? That's a ridiculous waste.

    Put your trait, whichever one you go with, as something that helps 100% of the time.
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    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.
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    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
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    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield

    Sturdy is a much better choice.
  • Curtdogg47
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    It takes time to get to where you don't die all the time in PVP. And as others have said you can't simply copy a build and expect that it will make you great. Practice practice and practice. Also you need to make sure that the build complements your play style. It's good to research builds, but what works for one may not work for everyone. My build is made up of things I liked from 2 other builds I've researched , as well as things I personally like. The challenge is to get everything to work well with how I like to play. I'm always tweaking trying new set combos adjusting cp's to squeez a little more Stamina, damage or regen out of my build.
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    I'm the same buddy- although I generally only use builds as a base, and customise as needed, if at all - sometimes you're just not good at PvP in certain games. I can woop ass in PvE yet I'm happy to admit I'm not good at PvP in this game at all.

    I tend to find following a generic build as a base and adapting it to your playstyle, and asking for advice, plus practice, can go a long long way.
    Edited by HaldaAinur on 12 August 2016 17:20
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    HaldaAinur wrote: »
    I'm the same buddy- although I generally only use builds as a base, and customise as needed, if at all - sometimes you're just not good at PvP in certain games. I can woop ass in PvE yet I'm happy to admit I'm not good at PvP in this game at all.

    I tend to find following a generic build as a base and adapting it to your playstyle, and asking for advice, plus practice, can go a long long way.

    Usually I'm awful at PVP. I might be the worst Battlefield player ever. ESO just comes naturally to me. I started thinking about my build years ago and tweek it here and there. My build makes no sense to most people but it works great for me.

    The worst thing you can do in ESO PVP is think that you have to conform to the FOTM.
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    You may find you do better with another class.
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    If I were in your shoes, I'd start with something tankier. Run impenetrable and heavy armor. You won't necessarily be the person wrecking people left and right, but it's a good place to start. You'll be alive more frequently to contribute to fights and spend less time respawning/running.

    As time goes, you may notice different playstyles and strategies people use. By learning their playstyles, you can adapt and form your own that works for you.
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    HaldaAinur wrote: »
    I'm the same buddy- although I generally only use builds as a base, and customise as needed, if at all - sometimes you're just not good at PvP in certain games. I can woop ass in PvE yet I'm happy to admit I'm not good at PvP in this game at all.

    I tend to find following a generic build as a base and adapting it to your playstyle, and asking for advice, plus practice, can go a long long way.

    Usually I'm awful at PVP. I might be the worst Battlefield player ever. ESO just comes naturally to me. I started thinking about my build years ago and tweek it here and there. My build makes no sense to most people but it works great for me.

    The worst thing you can do in ESO PVP is think that you have to conform to the FOTM.

    As I said; I use it as a base. Think of it like a sheet to fill in, adding in what you like along the way.

    I've just accepted that ESO PvP isn't my strong point. Trying to find a training buddy/tutor, to see what I can learn, but otherwise, I've gone past caring.
    Edited by HaldaAinur on 12 August 2016 17:43
  • itscompton
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    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

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    Most people have been pvping for years. Takes patience time and practice.
  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    Orlacc wrote: »
    You may find you do better with another class.

    I wish I could play the other classes. I have one of each class, I tried playing them with different builds but I can only play stamina NB. :( It's a curse.
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    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    Nirnhorned armor can cost 20k a piece. Do you have the half million in gold to lend him for nirnhorned and tempers?
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    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    You know that sturdy is block cost reduction, right? I think you're thinking of reinforced.
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    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.

    Impen is life in small scale PVP / 1vXing. The fact that you think otherwise is comical.
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    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    @itscompton to say someone has no idea what they are doing because of a fraction of a percentage point seems pretty ignorant to me..
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    You know that sturdy is block cost reduction, right? I think you're thinking of reinforced.
    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.

    Impen is life in small scale PVP / 1vXing. The fact that you think otherwise is comical.

    Got sturdy and reinforced mixed up. Sorry.


    Small scale PVP isn't Cyrodiil. Dueling isn't ESO PVP. The fact that you used THAT for your example is comical.
    Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on 12 August 2016 19:30
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    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    @itscompton to say someone has no idea what they are doing because of a fraction of a percentage point seems pretty ignorant to me..

    This is the same as the "divines vs infused" people. Errrmygerd ur stoopid, .00002% moar deeps bro!
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    You know that sturdy is block cost reduction, right? I think you're thinking of reinforced.
    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.

    Impen is life in small scale PVP / 1vXing. The fact that you think otherwise is comical.

    Got sturdy and reinforced mixed up. Sorry.


    Small scale PVP isn't Cyrodiil. Dueling isn't ESO PVP. The fact that you used THAT for your example is comical.

    Why am I quoted? I'm not giving any examples. I was just correcting the guy that thought sturdy was reinforced.
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    Typhoios wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    You know that sturdy is block cost reduction, right? I think you're thinking of reinforced.
    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.

    Impen is life in small scale PVP / 1vXing. The fact that you think otherwise is comical.

    Got sturdy and reinforced mixed up. Sorry.


    Small scale PVP isn't Cyrodiil. Dueling isn't ESO PVP. The fact that you used THAT for your example is comical.

    Why am I quoted? I'm not giving any examples. I was just correcting the guy that thought sturdy was reinforced.

    My fat fingers happened. Sorry.
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    A build is only a small part of your setup my friend. Gear, Traits, your playstyle, lots of variables determine how you can hold your own in each differential encounter. CP is a hugeeeeeee difference maker as well.
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    You can't just copy someones build and be good. You're not Sypher and you will likely never play as well as him. You need to talior the playstyle to something that is more comfortable to you. Keep practicing and getting rekt and you'll get better.

    I am honestly and sincerely glad someone else sees things this way. Gives me hope that someday cookie cutter builds will be a thing of the past...

    He is absolutely right though, use your own build and not someone else's. If anything, use someone's build as a starting point and build from there.
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    You can't just copy someones build and be good. You're not Sypher and you will likely never play as well as him. You need to talior the playstyle to something that is more comfortable to you. Keep practicing and getting rekt and you'll get better.

    I am honestly and sincerely glad someone else sees things this way. Gives me hope that someday cookie cutter builds will be a thing of the past...

    He is absolutely right though, use your own build and not someone else's. If anything, use someone's build as a starting point and build from there.

    You're both 100% right. There are thousands of things that work great in PVP. I run 2 resto staves and love it. I get way more out of it than destro-resto and INFINITELY more out of it than duel wield or sword and board.

    You have to do what you do. Take 5 minutes and say, what am I good at? And then build around that.
    Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on 12 August 2016 19:55
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    mmcgibbo wrote: »
    I use sypherpks stam nightblade build. I'm a wood elf. Ive got 335cp. I hold my own more in trueflame than I do in azuras where theres no cp. I usually get wrecked before I have time to bust out of cp its ridiculous. am I missing some fundamental part of pvp?

    First mistake you're making is using someone else's build. Not yours. Most genuinely "good" players have their own builds, or setups that are comfortable to them and them alone. Whether it be in PVE or PVP. Second of all, you need to max out crit resistance. From those two points, it all varies on tons of things.
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    You know that sturdy is block cost reduction, right? I think you're thinking of reinforced.
    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.

    Impen is life in small scale PVP / 1vXing. The fact that you think otherwise is comical.

    Got sturdy and reinforced mixed up. Sorry.


    Small scale PVP isn't Cyrodiil. Dueling isn't ESO PVP. The fact that you used THAT for your example is comical.

    First of all, I never mentioned dueling. I said 1vXing. That's 1 player against multiple players.

    While the objective of the campaign takes larger groups, small scale PVP is still very common in Cyrodiil. My group of 2-6 wiping a group of 20 is small scale PVP. Small scale pvp happens quite often, if you're not busy zerging. B)

    Have you tried out the Imperial City since the Dark Brotherhood update? How about the sewers? Both are designed for small scale PVP.

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    Typhoios wrote: »
    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    You know that sturdy is block cost reduction, right? I think you're thinking of reinforced.
    Buffler wrote: »
    There is so much misinformation in here.

    - Impen is the single most over rated thing in PVP. Regen is probably second.
    - Build either max resources or max damage.
    - Best defense is a good offense. If you want to survive an instant death, be the one who causes the instant death.
    - Be like Batman and prepare for every scenario. PVP is not a duel. I'm a Templar and with the press of one button I can regain resources, go invisible, go super fast, become a mist formed tank, or instant kill someone. Creative potions are your friend.

    There are things that people do in 1 on 1s that are nothing like an actual keep fight. Don't be the guy who can win a duel, be the guy who can win a 50 on 50.

    Please dont listen to anything in the post above

    I'm sure you're a good player, but if you think I'm giving bad advice I'm also sure you aren't as good as you could be. It's whatever, take it or don't. But I leave a pile of bodies in my wake every night and rarely die.

    Potions are your friend. Impen is hot garbage. Think outside the box and prosper.

    Impen is life in small scale PVP / 1vXing. The fact that you think otherwise is comical.

    Got sturdy and reinforced mixed up. Sorry.


    Small scale PVP isn't Cyrodiil. Dueling isn't ESO PVP. The fact that you used THAT for your example is comical.

    First of all, I never mentioned dueling. I said 1vXing. That's 1 player against multiple players.

    While the objective of the campaign takes larger groups, small scale PVP is still very common in Cyrodiil. My group of 2-6 wiping a group of 20 is small scale PVP. Small scale pvp happens quite often, if you're not busy zerging. B)

    Have you tried out the Imperial City since the Dark Brotherhood update? How about the sewers? Both are designed for small scale PVP.

    All the time. And my apology I was thinking small scale like 2 v 2. I still don't think Impen is worth it at all.

    That said, I'm a Templar. It's easy for me to not care about Impen when I can instant heal myself in PVP over 12k.

    All I'm saying is there are options better than Impen. Divines, infused, reinforced, nirnhorned off the top of my head. All of those are in use 100% of the time. Impen is not.

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    Im a stam nb but you just have to understand your stenghts and weaknesses. Then address both with your skills. Which is what Sypher does for himself.

    Its good to look at his for support and some guidance but he never tells you to copy it to the bone.


    Anyway look at how you're dying, and how you can avoid it next time.

    Maybe some more info in regards to how you're dying?
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    itscompton wrote: »
    I don't use any impen on my gear at all and I'm a magicDK I run all sturdy and kill and stay alive just fine in fact I can't be instakilled by anyone. Impen is great if ur not using sword and shield
    If you're running all sturdy you really have no idea what you're doing considering that heavy chest is the only piece of armor on which sturdy will give you more mitigation than using nirhoned would.

    Nirnhorned armor can cost 20k a piece. Do you have the half million in gold to lend him for nirnhorned and tempers?

    Nice use of misdirection to try to hide the fact both of you are giving out terrible advice. I have a set of Julianos in all gold that is a mix of sturdy chest, nirhoned legs and divines on hands, feet, belt which I made before I had really tried impen. Now I only use that set for PvE because even though I get a bit more DPS it's not worth it since I can take twice the beating in PvP wearing a set of all purple Julianos impen.
    As for your statistical argument you're looking at it the wrong way. The reality is most stamina burst builds have a 60+% chance to crit on every attack, which means it's very likely if your attacked by this type of build and they hit you 5 times you'll take 3-4 critical hits and have since these players also have CP stacked to incease crit damage to double base damage you could take as much as 15-25k extra damage over the course of a 3-5 second encounter. Use impen to get your crit resist over 2k and that extra damage drops to 7-12.5K which makes it much easier to heal through or kill the other person before they finish you.
  • BruhItsOver9000
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    Impen is your friend, make sure you have over 24k health.
    WOOD ELF MASTER RACE.

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