Hey ZOS why the hell are there so many ppl with 2h and bows!

mb10

Better than the prox detonation days but yes players need some creativity into their game.

Cyrodiil was exploding purple everywhere it wasnt cool at all.

Elfbait

I'm a destruction staff/restoration staff/bow and 2handed sword enthusiast. Only because dual wielding is too Edgy(™) and silly looking, and the animations for 1hand and shield remind me of a tennis player whose racket is too heavy.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

mb10 wrote: »

Better than the prox detonation days but yes players need some creativity into their game.

Cyrodiil was exploding purple everywhere it wasnt cool at all.

I actually enjoy seeing a proxy det'r nowadays. It's like wearing a Cyrodiil throwback jersey.

xblackroxe

I see so much QQ about diversity. What people don't understand is that just because many people follow the current meta build aka what the big streamers are running doesn't mean there is no diversity. You can perform good with about any combination of respective weapons (bow, 2h, dw, shield for stam and destro, resto, dw, shield for mag).
There are many really strong ways to build your character other than copying what someone else uses.

idk

Avenias wrote: »

This is starting to get ridiculous, ppl with 2h and bows flooding the map, using the same exact combos in battle. Where the hell is the diversity in the game! Do something, anything to bring more balance in game.

There are only 3 different stam weapons in the game. With that his much diversity do you expect.

Beside the reality your assessment is biased since there are plenty of DW/ bow and more. Additionally, all those heavy on 2H in PvE change to DW if they get into heavy raiding since 2H isn't all that good.

Think the OP needs to spend more time seeing what is really being used before starting such a thread.

Bouldercleave

The problem is that true balance is impossible. Can it get closer than it is right now? Yes

People are sheep though.

They will ALWAYS gravitate to the character they feel has an edge. If the coin flipped and Magicka based characters get a boost and become even the slightest bit better than Stamina, you will see a torrential flood of Magicka based characters within seconds. it's just the way it works.

Again though, I do feel there is a huge imbalance currently between Magicka and Stamina. The classes themselves are not too bad, but right now it makes no sense to go Magicka if you plan on PvP.

Forestd16b14_ESO

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

its the age of Stamina, since Magica was eradicated by the ice age thats called Zos

For the last time magicka was not in any way nerfed got it through those thick skulls magicka was balanced. Also if I recall for what over a year and a half the game was called "Elder Staves Online".

Egonieser

I use DW and 2h (buffs only) - there is 0 need for any of the 2h DPS skills as my DPS is superior in every way while DW, but Rally is something I can't live without sadly.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Egonieser wrote: »

I use DW and 2h (buffs only) - there is 0 need for any of the 2h DPS skills as my DPS is superior in every way while DW, but Rally is something I can't live without sadly.

This is something I noticed as well. But having Wrecking Blow + Mass Hysteria + Reverse Slice on that bar is also really good I have found. Not having the Knockback on WB now makes it more dangerous to get hit by.

DW though is so much fun at close range. They just melt away like chocolate chips on a hot summers day.

GrumpyDuckling

This game is all about burst damage and healing, which is why you see so many of the same builds. You can make unique builds that don't follow the current max dps meta for magicka or stamina, but you're only hurting yourself and your teammates by trying to be different.

One of my favorite aspects of Skyrim is that I like reading about and watching all the fun and interesting builds that people make for their characters.

ESO is so painful, though. 90% of builds use the same sets and same skills because there's only one way to play - by maxing out, always.

kewl

My magicka characters eat plenty of stam cookies.

Bouldercleave

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

This game is all about burst damage and healing, which is why you see so many of the same builds. You can make unique builds that don't follow the current max dps meta for magicka or stamina, but you're only hurting yourself and your teammates by trying to be different.

One of my favorite aspects of Skyrim is that I like reading about and watching all the fun and interesting builds that people make for their characters.

ESO is so painful, though. 90% of builds use the same sets and same skills because there's only one way to play - by maxing out, always.

That's not EXACTLY true.

It's true IF you PVP or run dailies and trials exclusively. Most of the harder group content does indeed almost require very specific builds to be viable.

My play style does not require it though, so I have a slew of characters with literally dozens of different possibilities. For solo PvE play (like Skyrim) you can get through with just about anything - until you try VMA that is...

Shadesofkin

The idea that the average player wants to play a unique build is laughable at best.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more weapons out there, but lets not fool ourselves, its easier to just build something that you know works than experiment.

Bouldercleave

Shadesofkin wrote: »

The idea that the average player wants to play a unique build is laughable at best.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more weapons out there, but lets not fool ourselves, its easier to just build something that you know works than experiment.

Easier isn't always better. Easier is just for people that want to max out and go PvP.

In my humble opinion, if you just google it and build someones existing build to rush to the endgame (that let's be honest - is a letdown in MOST games) you have missed the entire point of the game.

DenMoria

Because they work. Better, in most cases than S&S, staves or dual-wield. Unfortunately.

Bromburak

Hey ZOS why the hell are there so many ppl with 2h and bows!

Because Wrobel didn't add proper class morphs.

Mojmir

more skills/classes are needed

acw37162

Because Bahhhhhh bahhhhhh bahhhhh

Bouldercleave

Mojmir wrote: »

more skills/classes are needed

I disagree - More existing skills and classes need to be made viable for more playstyles.

acw37162

yodased wrote: »

Well stamina based characters are the go-to for cheese loving players.

Path of least resistance which gives you very little to overcome for player skill.

You have regeneration, super high burst, DOTs, burst heal, HoT, defense, CC, survivability, and the ability to dodge just about any ranged attack.

If you are equating winning with fun, aka tryhard, then you are kind of shoehorned into it.

I'm sorry so inaccuate;
Here is a reminder;

Vicious Death
Proxy Det
Jesus Beam
Bomb Blades
Shield spamming sorcs

There are more then enough rocks and a whole lot off glass breaking around here.

Thelon

acw37162 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well stamina based characters are the go-to for cheese loving players.

Path of least resistance which gives you very little to overcome for player skill.

You have regeneration, super high burst, DOTs, burst heal, HoT, defense, CC, survivability, and the ability to dodge just about any ranged attack.

If you are equating winning with fun, aka tryhard, then you are kind of shoehorned into it.

I'm sorry so inaccuate;
Here is a reminder;

Vicious Death
Proxy Det
Jesus Beam
Bomb Blades
Shield spamming sorcs

There are more then enough rocks and a whole lot off glass breaking around here.

Here is a reminder:

every one of those specs gets roflstomped by any fotm stamplar

bowmanz607

2h for the only burst heal for stam users.
Bow for mobility since dk and templar lack that.

Also, bow/2h is arguably the best setup for a 1vx stam user. Add to the fact that the popular streamers play 1vx and people just copy and paste what they do.

Add into that the lack of survivability without a 2h in a burst meta and that means a stam user is stuck with bow/dw/1h for other bar. As stated above, 2 classes lack mobility so bow is a go to option. Dw is not as popular for the a second because it lacks a gap closer and single target execute like 2h and not much of a reason to use it on your back bar. Unless you a nb with a gap closer and execute ofcourse. As for one hand you lack burst and an execute and only works best as a dps bar of you can properly weave and bash for the damage you need. The lack of sustain issues took away the option to waddle a players resources down with one hand and then go on offensive.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

in Cyrodiil my main Khajiit NightBlade, Kotaro Atani who is a Stamina build run's Dual DW, yep you heard it..

My Bosmer Nightblade stamina build is DW/BOW or 2H/BOW, but he always uses a BOW as he is my Archer type character..

RoyalSlyness

Avenias wrote: »

This is starting to get ridiculous, ppl with 2h and bows flooding the map, using the same exact combos in battle. Where the hell is the diversity in the game! Do something, anything to bring more balance in game.

So what do you use?

mtwiggz

Heavy -> Inject -> Crit Rush -> Medium Weave -> DB -> Execute (maybe).

Insta-gib anything but properly built tanks. Nearly 30k+ damage in 4 seconds give or take. Stamina builds are like PvP with training wheels now a days.

babedenny

My choice for stamina 2h/bow was a unique choice for me. I didn't choose it because I saw others doing it. I also don't look at builds online.


All my builds are organic. They developed from what I found that I was most successful with.

olsborg

Rally. Its too strong compared to any other stamina heal.

silky_soft

Nerf all vma weapons in pvp.
Change rally from burst to major vitality.
Make flying blade morph a 1 push chain pull to target.

phaseadept

I'm a magika Templar, so I just accept my losses 1v squirrel in PvP and let others generate the AP for me

Burning_Talons

Google "Meta" and "Sheep" search results should show the FOTM bandwagoners who only use what everyone else does.