For Bow Gankng

Makkir

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

twistedmonk wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

I actually really don't like alchemist for ganking with a bow. I think 5 marksman and 5 hawkeye eye or flanking is better to do the fact that using alchemist you only hist like a truck for 15 sec. With 5 marksman 5 hawkeye and 1 kena running max hp/stam regen food I hit 17k snipes. And since the sets plus the food I have 2400 stam recovery, 3300 weapon damage and 13% increase damage on my abilities I don't have to run after a fail gank so I can stay and finish the job.

Highest I have hit snipe with this setup was 20k after using mark on a light armor, sub 300 cp player.

I mean no offense to any players. I think most players that PvP in MMOs do it only because they are unfair fights. otherwise they'd be playing something like <insert your favorite first person shooter>

Champion points, gear, levels should not be a factor in PvP.

I guess they could just restrict Cyrodiil to only players with the CP cap (501). that would go a long way to making PvP more fair.

This couldn't be more wrong, for me it's variety of builds, sets, classes etc. On shooters it's a completely different thing.

On ranked Halo 3 - no special classes, guns etc everyone was on same footing, now a days all the shooters are evolving because now you can choose your setup, gun etc, so they're not on equal footing. Halo 1,2,3 ranked everyone was on equal footing (apart from Internet connections).

Edit: I was a 50 in most halo 3 playlists and carried multiple average players to 50 in doubles or team slayer.

Yup, equal competition is really not all that desirable for most players. WoW addressed this when talking about pvp match making, that they found in close matches players on the winning side had a much different perspective on the fairness and enjoyability of the match compared to players on the losing side.

In the realm of isolated competition you will quickly rise to a tier of opponents that approximate your level of play. At which point the game can become exceedingly frustrating and you can start to feel like you can never get ahead, matching each win with a loss.

More directly to the topic at hand, producers are coming to realize that fair competitive play means that those individuals and groups that prioritize performance and work hard to be excellent will vastly out perform those who don't, and they will be vastly out numbered by those who don't perform well. Thus to appeal to the masses and sell content you have to work a balance of the appearance of equality while introducing imbalance in order to allow less skilled players to be able to defeat more skilled players occasionally.

This usually takes the form of moving away from greatly rewarding precision and accuracy, and moving towards what is colloquially described in some groups as: "spray and pray" tactics.

Toc, normally these forums are filled with pooh and toilet paper, but I genuinely was intrigued with your response. Very insightful,

susmitds

KenaPKK wrote: »

March of the gank zergs, oh goodness. That's a scary thought.

That's what most of us at AD do. Hide and co-ordinate Snipe strikes for the Insta-kill.

leem1988

I use alchemist, flanking, 2 leki, and shadow mundus. 4.4k weapon damage buffed, but I still have trouble killing anyone over 25k health, squishy or not.

artal

Quelhallow wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

How is bow ganking a challenge? You sit comfortably at a distance and lob arrows at unsuspecting players. Am I missing something? Sounds like the easiest play style ever.

Try using only bow skills to gank. On squishier targets (a.k.a. our most recent invasion of potatoes with the sale and Japanese market), yes, you're right, it's very easy. On experienced players with impen traits, therein lies the challenge. Attacking from unsuspecting places buys you more time while they try to figure out where you are. And, since the current meta IS close quarters combat, you won't have long 'til you're face to face with fish breath. And, like I mentioned earlier, fewer and fewer people are travelling alone in Cyrodiil. Choosing battles plays a part of the challenge.

If you rely only on bow skills for gank than you wont be really able to gank decent player from distance. If you open with heavy attack into snipe he will break cc and dodge snipe. If you open with snipe it wont land cause he will hear it.
Good way to gank with bow is coming really close to unsuspecting foe.
Than you can manage to fire off 2 snipes in row and LA+poison injection and ulti if needed.

Ganking from distance strictly with bow probably wont work except on baddies. Even if you hit super hard with heavy attack you are to far to finish off. So that playstyle is suited for big fights and sniping people that are already engaged.

Hutch679

I use 5 hundings, 4 dreugh king slayer, 1 Kena, 1 bloodspawn bow/2 hand on my Stam Dk. The heavy bow crits from stealth with molten armaments and 73 points into bow expertise lay waste to practically anyone. 2 shot with a poison Injection follow up guaranteed.

Quelhallow

[quote="artal;3195866
If you rely only on bow skills for gank than you wont be really able to gank decent player from distance. If you open with heavy attack into snipe he will break cc and dodge snipe. If you open with snipe it wont land cause he will hear it.
Good way to gank with bow is coming really close to unsuspecting foe.
Than you can manage to fire off 2 snipes in row and LA+poison injection and ulti if needed.

Ganking from distance strictly with bow probably wont work except on baddies. Even if you hit super hard with heavy attack you are to far to finish off. So that playstyle is suited for big fights and sniping people that are already engaged.[/quote]

Did you read my previous posts?

KenaPKK

Just don't bow gank.

Ever.

Please...

Sincerely, all of Cyrodiil.

davey1107

I've played around with the archer sets...I want a sort of all-around kill set that works for solo gank, duo gank and wall defense kills (good AP there too).

Marksman is my core set, 5 piece. And 1 Molag for the damage. The other set I've tried Hunding, Kynes and Hawk Eye.

Honestly, my three backup sets perform about the same. Hawk Eye feels like it packs the most punch. Hunding is very close. But I like playing a lot of defense, and the resources on the Kynes is great. Kynes might be my favorite...I need one more shot in a gank, but in longer fights I get so many more shots in.

I'm not sure about this, but I kinda want to try a "trick" with my Briar Hearts set. So my bow bar is Marksman, a full monster helm 2 piece, then 4 briar. My dual is briar daggers/swords. Can I proc the briar with a dual ability, then switch and activate molag kena for a massive damage buff? I need one more briar weapons, but I want to try this. It could be fun.

Curtdogg47

I've been expierementing with 5 marksman/ 5 hunding's
And 5 marksman/ 5 hawkeye and 5 haweye/ 5 hunding's. My original set up was 5 hunding's, 3 night mothers gaze, and 3 agility. Still trying to get Molag Kena shoulders. But overall in PVP I like running with 5 marksman/ 5 hunding's.

cschwingeb14_ESO

BoaNoite wrote: »

Is there a way to add time to the 5pc bonus for clever alchemist which would make it longer than 15 seconds?

No, but you could use potion cooldown glyphs to chug pots more often (don't do this)

leem1988

I tried the heavy bow attack/surprise attack combo. It works really well but its hard to pull off if the target is not standing still. I'm switching back to lethal arrow/poison injection, I won't be able to kill the better pvpers, but I did have a lot of success with it.

Anti_Virus

KenaPKK wrote: »

But...bow is meta for ganking, and little bow gankers are scampering around everywhere...

(I hate bow gankers.)

Its the ONLY way to use the bow in PVP and get kills, if you can 1vX with a bow as your primary weapon I would love to see it untill then you gotta deal with ganking

Toc de Malsvi

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