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As a Magicka Sorcerer Must I?....
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Araviel2✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I use DW front bar; Lightning Staff back bar. Do what works for your preferred playstyle - I like lightning vs others because I can still zap roll dodgers with the channeled attack and it splashes damage when enemies cluster.
DW for burst, Lightning for standoff engagements.
How do you freaking heal? Not sure this would work 1vX?
No idea, but it works for him. I don't know how he deals with a typical instant injection/snipe combo, those usually eat into health. Stacking a heal ward with hardened you can survive two guys doing it with no health damage at the end.
PS: i see a lot of you using fire staves for the 8K heavy attack, I'm wondering how you guys do that with it getting reflected constantly?
The heavy lightning doesn't do that much damage, but it can't be dodged either. You see DK's spamming scales, to no effect.
shield work, like i said earlier as long as you can spam shields and make sure no damage leaks through it does not matter if you just have mediocre heals as you heal under it.
so yea you could sit and heal whit just entropy, even if i would not recommend that.
but hey if you have patience for that and there is no zergs around then it does work.
i have also heard about sorcs who used solely health regen to heal under shields by using sets like Orgnum's scales and Engine guardian, and swapping to regen drinks when tanking and back to food for bursts,
i don't really know how they manage to puzzle all their other resources together and i have never really bothered to investigate as i am Vamp and kind of neglect health regen, but i have been told that it works great.
the way i do it though is by building up a decent amount of resistance instead and just use one single spamable shield on my main bar, (whit a secondary as a backup on the off bar)
the damage that does leaks through is hopefully not too fatal then until i can get in behind cover to use my dark deal.
and now when harness magica protects against physical an injection/snipe combo should not bleed into health if you have around 40k in magica and you are stacking whit harden.
and about that Heavy destro attack - i don't see reflects as much of an issue right now, there are so much stam in the game atm, and stam dk's barely use scales anymore.
and in my case as i use dark deal and often tri food i usually have a good amount of stamina to be able to afford to dodge if it would reflect.
Edited by Araviel2 on 6 July 2016 17:43Araviel -Professional Zerg surfing mutagen spammer [DC-EU]0 -
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✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Really? That delay is just a deal breaker for me. It's a decent burst heal, but usually when I need one of those I need it now, not a second from now.
I've actually had to develop a strategy just to make use of exchange because of that delay. Cast time is the obvious worst. (I'm thinking of posting a dedicated thread today to get some more post DB sorc input on it.) Next worst is the fact that in a real furball of a fight I will get interrupted by something that just happened to hit me. Or maybe some killer expert saw me begin the cast and knew to prevent it. Both? This skill needs to be instant.
I got sick of using a resto staff all the time as a supposed offensive player. I was using it for only one heal & draining. Post DB I switched to a more sustain based set up (julianos), and no longer needed the magic drain from resto to keep going. If I need magic back now I go Overload.
So, I traded resto staff for exchange. I do more damage now at the expense of my own survival. After the sorcerer nerfs in DB, I think most of us have to be less cavalier and generally more careful in combat with our sorcerers. There are exceptions to this with different players' abilities and builds - but I ain't one of 'em!Fear is the Mindkiller1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd like to run dual destro, so maybe I'll give dark deal another try. Things are so much simpler when I'm running with a healer.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I use DW front bar; Lightning Staff back bar. Do what works for your preferred playstyle - I like lightning vs others because I can still zap roll dodgers with the channeled attack and it splashes damage when enemies cluster.
DW for burst, Lightning for standoff engagements.
How do you freaking heal? Not sure this would work 1vX?
Dark Awesomeness is my heal.
Really? That delay is just a deal breaker for me. It's a decent burst heal, but usually when I need one of those I need it now, not a second from now.
That skill only works for the Stam types after they've dodge rolled a few times. Magicka sorcs can't do that as often.
Crushing shock interrupts it every time, and if the other guy is trying to heal and fumbles, the fight is yours.NordSwordnBoard wrote: »The heavy lightning doesn't do that much damage, but it can't be dodged either. You see DK's spamming scales, to no effect.
This. Going through reflect with a lightning flood & heavy attack at least forces most people out of that area. Also, as a standoff weapon, the Lightning staff kind of "paints" a target like a laser - it lets people know I'm targeting this guy and you can join in. Need a target? Follow the crooked white line. I'm well aware they can follow that line back to me as well.
It's the AOE and Magicka return that make it good. If you hit someone in a ball group, they all take that damage. Then toss a meteor in their midst...
I've used lightning staff more times than not to finish off a blocking dodge roller with low health before his vigor ticks heal him to full again.
That said, fire is better in solo or small scale for the pure DPS. I switch depending on whether I'm in a big group (lightning) or alone/small group (fire).0 -
Araviel2✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I use DW front bar; Lightning Staff back bar. Do what works for your preferred playstyle - I like lightning vs others because I can still zap roll dodgers with the channeled attack and it splashes damage when enemies cluster.
DW for burst, Lightning for standoff engagements.
How do you freaking heal? Not sure this would work 1vX?
Dark Awesomeness is my heal.
Really? That delay is just a deal breaker for me. It's a decent burst heal, but usually when I need one of those I need it now, not a second from now.
That skill only works for the Stam types after they've dodge rolled a few times. Magicka sorcs can't do that as often.
don't think you get the deal whit dark deal
Dark deal gives us health and stamina so we can roll dodge as much as we freaking like
Araviel -Professional Zerg surfing mutagen spammer [DC-EU]0 -
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✭Sandman929 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I use DW front bar; Lightning Staff back bar. Do what works for your preferred playstyle - I like lightning vs others because I can still zap roll dodgers with the channeled attack and it splashes damage when enemies cluster.
DW for burst, Lightning for standoff engagements.
How do you freaking heal? Not sure this would work 1vX?
Dark Awesomeness is my heal.
Really? That delay is just a deal breaker for me. It's a decent burst heal, but usually when I need one of those I need it now, not a second from now.
That skill only works for the Stam types after they've dodge rolled a few times. Magicka sorcs can't do that as often.
don't think you get the deal whit dark deal
Dark deal gives us health and stamina so we can roll dodge as much as we freaking like
Ive tried it. Hell I've tried just about every build since DB. I just couldn't get DD to work in 1vX, maybe I suck but who knows.0 -
KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭What sets do people run these days on their Sorcs? Saw a thread in another section of the forums where the majority of people said they just ran max regen (seducer/magnus etc.) and rely on shield stacking and capitalising on when the enemy runs out of resources but that to me sounds boring as ***.0
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I use DW front bar; Lightning Staff back bar. Do what works for your preferred playstyle - I like lightning vs others because I can still zap roll dodgers with the channeled attack and it splashes damage when enemies cluster.
DW for burst, Lightning for standoff engagements.
How do you freaking heal? Not sure this would work 1vX?
Dark Awesomeness is my heal.
Really? That delay is just a deal breaker for me. It's a decent burst heal, but usually when I need one of those I need it now, not a second from now.
That skill only works for the Stam types after they've dodge rolled a few times. Magicka sorcs can't do that as often.
don't think you get the deal whit dark deal
Dark deal gives us health and stamina so we can roll dodge as much as we freaking like
Yeah, but you also don't have vigor and shuffle running at the same time either. Stam sorcs don't get rooted, they have a good HOT running, and shuffle dodge chance. It's really not the same for us Magicka builds.Edited by Minalan on 8 July 2016 16:251 -
Araviel2✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I use DW front bar; Lightning Staff back bar. Do what works for your preferred playstyle - I like lightning vs others because I can still zap roll dodgers with the channeled attack and it splashes damage when enemies cluster.
DW for burst, Lightning for standoff engagements.
How do you freaking heal? Not sure this would work 1vX?
Dark Awesomeness is my heal.
Really? That delay is just a deal breaker for me. It's a decent burst heal, but usually when I need one of those I need it now, not a second from now.
That skill only works for the Stam types after they've dodge rolled a few times. Magicka sorcs can't do that as often.
don't think you get the deal whit dark deal
Dark deal gives us health and stamina so we can roll dodge as much as we freaking like
Yeah, but you also don't have vigor and shuffle running at the same time either. Stam sorcs don't get rooted, they have a good HOT running, and shuffle dodge chance. It's really not the same for us Magicka builds.
that is true,
just a quick thought - what do you think about the Amberplasm set that is coming next patch? could that be the solution maybe?
i am not sure yet what pieces its going to drop in but its going to give us 400 stam regen, if you could combo it whit something like shadow dancer, and throw in vampire that is going to give us quite allot of stam regen for stam support skills.
and even if we don't get the full effect of them they could work.
Vigor even if weak can be kind of ok as we can heal under shields,
and shuffle, even if that were not gonna get allot out of that snare removal effect (just 5s if we use 1 piece of medium for the Undaunted Mettle) we are still going to get the full dodge chance,Araviel -Professional Zerg surfing mutagen spammer [DC-EU]0 -
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✭Theres a tradeoff running a lightning staff over fire...the fact just about everyone in Cyrodiil is vampire this meta. It's almost as bad as when we all were werewolves for the passive 10% stam regen.Edited by Makkir on 9 July 2016 13:491 -
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✭Destro/resto is not essiential, I use Destro/S&B and do just fine. You just have to adapt your build, really spend some time doing it instead of moaning and you might get somewhere!
My sorc is more powerful than ever and has decent stats across the board, it has its weaknesses like any build but I'm happy and I know it works.
Here's some pics buffed up, this is using all purple with purple enchants, and if I used inner light I could probably hit 40k Magicka and add some more crit
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Theres a tradeoff running a lightning staff over fire...the fact just about everyone in Cyrodiil is vampire this meta. It's almost as bad as when we all were werewolves for the passive 10% stam regen.
So true, but lightning is so great when they all ball up in a small area, like a wall breach. And it's better to use against DK's, which seems to be about 1/3 of all players out there.0 -
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This keeps happening, I post something and they're viewable for a day then disappear lol not sure what I'm doing wrong.
But for healing I've been using dark exchange, and have some healing buffs to increase it (10% Blessed, 10% quick recovery and 30% major vitality) and it's been decent enough, although I have now given the clanfear ago in PvP and can get a 12.5k heal from it (with the major vitality pots) and that seemed to work quite well also, I chose the clanfear cause it has like 25kish health and with the shields he shouldn't be dropped constantly0 -
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✭psychotic13 wrote: »
This keeps happening, I post something and they're viewable for a day then disappear lol not sure what I'm doing wrong.
But for healing I've been using dark exchange, and have some healing buffs to increase it (10% Blessed, 10% quick recovery and 30% major vitality) and it's been decent enough, although I have now given the clanfear ago in PvP and can get a 12.5k heal from it (with the major vitality pots) and that seemed to work quite well also, I chose the clanfear cause it has like 25kish health and with the shields he shouldn't be dropped constantly
Wait, wait, wait, wait. You mean to tell me that if i switch bars he goes away? Why in the holy hell would anyone code it that way? Its pure shite. Vigor should then stop healing if you switch bars.0 -
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✭psychotic13 wrote: »
This keeps happening, I post something and they're viewable for a day then disappear lol not sure what I'm doing wrong.
But for healing I've been using dark exchange, and have some healing buffs to increase it (10% Blessed, 10% quick recovery and 30% major vitality) and it's been decent enough, although I have now given the clanfear ago in PvP and can get a 12.5k heal from it (with the major vitality pots) and that seemed to work quite well also, I chose the clanfear cause it has like 25kish health and with the shields he shouldn't be dropped constantly
Wait, wait, wait, wait. You mean to tell me that if i switch bars he goes away? Why in the holy hell would anyone code it that way? Its pure shite. Vigor should then stop healing if you switch bars.
Yeah, that's the pain with using a pet, you have to double slot them.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »
This keeps happening, I post something and they're viewable for a day then disappear lol not sure what I'm doing wrong.
But for healing I've been using dark exchange, and have some healing buffs to increase it (10% Blessed, 10% quick recovery and 30% major vitality) and it's been decent enough, although I have now given the clanfear ago in PvP and can get a 12.5k heal from it (with the major vitality pots) and that seemed to work quite well also, I chose the clanfear cause it has like 25kish health and with the shields he shouldn't be dropped constantly
Wait, wait, wait, wait. You mean to tell me that if i switch bars he goes away? Why in the holy hell would anyone code it that way? Its pure shite. Vigor should then stop healing if you switch bars.
Now you've found the number one complaint about them. I have maybe one spare slot, but two?
Edit: it's three if you use overload...Edited by Minalan on 11 July 2016 19:340 -
twistedmonk✭✭✭I just feel shields may be okay 1v1, but when you get 2 or more targeting you, its bad.
compared to dodge roll when you could have infinite people targeting you, they would all miss infinitely.
sorcs have been nerfed into the ground. not enjoyable.
and oh yeah...get rid of sorc pet line...its horrible. make it a separate skill line - summoner or something and replace it with something useful.1
