Blazing Shield, Damage cap?

damtotb16_ESO

damtotb16_ESO wrote: »

Snape2255 wrote: »

My Blazing Shield hits for 11.5k against players. That's without Undaunted passives. I suspect it to rise to about 12.5-13k once I get my passives. It will be hitting for a rate of about 8.3k non-crit.

If you have a huge health pool and maintain high magicka recovery you can seriously *** out some mean damage. People drop in seconds if you have enough on you. Pop a CC immunity pot, hold block and spam that ***.

Do you mind to share your build/cp setup because my damage sucks?

Probable you mean 11.5 k on pve mobs, else you would hit double in pve what is impossible.
Anyhow I die 8 out of 10 times due to lag whenever I find myself in zerg so blazing shield setup is unplayable on EU servers.
Pity is certainly has a potential...

Snape2255

11.5k In PVP. In an AoE. That is no exaggeration I assure you of that.

Any build is a bit crap against a zerg. The BS Tank is most useful in small-mid scale PVP. Anywhere between 2vs2-5 or 5vs5-10 etc.

leem1988

Would this work in non-vet with purple gear?

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Damage in PvP and pve for max cap is the same. Tested. Nothing increases this damage except bastion and pure health. Tested fully. 11.8 k is still my highest hit. I hit normal for that and crit. At max. Whether it's 5 or 20 guys stacked. I have 64k health at the moment without gold enchants or armor. Also no undaunted. Running 2 endurance sword and board. 3 fassallas jewelry purple. 5 piece weapon master. 2 piece scourge. The scourge double crits doing 20k to 40k Heals and when fixed will still be good at 10k to 20k. Not counting if you drop down a cleanse aoe for 30% more. Btw i don't care how good or buff you are, you WILL feel a 11.8k blazing Shield hit. Especially when I proc it EVERY second against a 20 man zerg...lol. Trying to get away ? Toppling charge....dawn breaker. I stick to you like glue while your own friends kill you by hitting me...;) Also there's enough lag to go around that this build will always catch some poor fools...i got videos where I leave a wake of bodies as I punch a whole in a 40 man zerg storming my keep flag. Fun fun fun times.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

leem1988 wrote: »

Would this work in non-vet with purple gear?

Yes this would work in non vet. Except you would do 15% percent if health instead of 19%. Would hurt them more though since they don't have the extra CP in defences.

sunshineflame

For all of those talking about undaunted, keep in mind that it will only raise your health by 2%. Heavy now gives 2% max health per piece, so running 5/1/1 you lose 4% max health to gain 6% max stats. It'd be the same net gain maintaining 7 heavy for the 2% max stats for wearing only one kind of armor, and I'll stay in 7 heavy because of the passives. With my magicka and stamina about 10k each, 6% of that wouldn't be worth the losses in the heavy armor passives.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Agreed. Another reason I have not bothered. I have been getting away also with the drink that gives 5k health and 496 magic regeneration. It works extremely well. But you may get annoyed with knockdowns and want to swap the armor master for reactive. But giving up 5% health I'm just not ready for that.

JAMESLJNR

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Update. Got my health to little over 61k and I hit for 11k plus with Crit. That is putting points into extra crit damage of 15%. People are melting fast...lol. I'm still not gold in any armor or enchants or undaunted bonus. And yes the healing sustain is ungodly with Mal's monster set. Using armor master ,Mal's,3 piece jewelry of fassallas with sword and shield endurance.All points into health.

Are you not running out of magicka? Surely your max magicka and regen is low using that setup.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Nope. I don't run out of resources. 7 piece heavy is a nice addition. Shields so large I can wait a few SEC's before recast. Potion bonus on argonian is also nice. Plus I weave heavy attacks when there's not 15 plus guys. Use los also when it goes to low.

zuto40

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Damage in PvP and pve for max cap is the same. Tested. Nothing increases this damage except bastion and pure health. Tested fully. 11.8 k is still my highest hit. I hit normal for that and crit. At max. Whether it's 5 or 20 guys stacked. I have 64k health at the moment without gold enchants or armor. Also no undaunted. Running 2 endurance sword and board. 3 fassallas jewelry purple. 5 piece weapon master. 2 piece scourge. The scourge double crits doing 20k to 40k Heals and when fixed will still be good at 10k to 20k. Not counting if you drop down a cleanse aoe for 30% more. Btw i don't care how good or buff you are, you WILL feel a 11.8k blazing Shield hit. Especially when I proc it EVERY second against a 20 man zerg...lol. Trying to get away ? Toppling charge....dawn breaker. I stick to you like glue while your own friends kill you by hitting me...;) Also there's enough lag to go around that this build will always catch some poor fools...i got videos where I leave a wake of bodies as I punch a whole in a 40 man zerg storming my keep flag. Fun fun fun times.

what is the best race for this build? i was thinking either argonian cause of the passives or maybe imperial cause it gives more health

vpadget9592b14_ESO

I love my argonian at the moment

zuto40

unfortunately im a breton

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Unfortunately you lose the almost 10% health gain which is around 5k or more. Which is big. Good news though a racial change in store is coming.

loki547

Imperial is the best race for a Blazing Shield templar bar none. There's no substitute for raw stats which Imperial has, and Red Diamond passive is great as well (almost 4k heal in Cyro, +++ with Malubeth). Argonian's healing passive can be duplicated through CP.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

I so don't agree. Red diamond? Lol. You will almost never swing a weapon at anyone with blazing Shield build...so useless. They do have 3 percent more health but I would rather have the bonus from drinking potion along with the 9% percent healing. Which stacks with CP. The Stam bonus is also near useless as your bread and butter is magic based.

loki547

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

I so don't agree. Red diamond? Lol. You will almost never swing a weapon at anyone with blazing Shield build...so useless. They do have 3 percent more health but I would rather have the bonus from drinking potion along with the 9% percent healing. Which stacks with CP. The Stam bonus is also near useless as your bread and butter is magic based.

Maybe you don't know how to play your templar then It's all melee attacks so light and heavy have a chance to proc it. Both my weapon enchants (spell dmg and minor defile) are great to have up so I weave light and heavy attacks in with sweeps and while blocking. Since I run Malubeth I only have 1 CP in healing received and healing done and have never had a problem, so extra healing received is garbage. The extra stam is a great for my build because it allows me to run blue food which gives me more health and magicka and still have a decent sized stam pool for blocking and break free/roll dodge. Hey do you have that swim speed tho!

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

zuto40

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

how does one reach the almighty 70k health

JAMESLJNR

zuto40 wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

how does one reach the almighty 70k health

Pretty sure this isn't possible without having magicka issues.

loki547

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

I have 61k health so I guess I'm within "your range" of an "acceptable" Blazing Shield build lol. It'd be great if in Cyro 100% of the time you just stood there and spammed Blazing shield and everyone just dies. And maybe that's how it is on Blackwater Blade where you play. But half the time you're not in that scenario on PC NA, it's 1vX small groups, 1v1's, and then yes larger zerg balls. I like to be able to deal with all those situations and I can and have with this build. And yes there are moments when good players actually back off because they are getting hit too much with blazing shield, so that's when you weave in light and heavy attacks to get back stam/proc Red Diamond throw down channeled focus etc. Really sounds like you're new to game lil bro message in game and I can help you out with your build!

vpadget9592b14_ESO

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

how does one reach the almighty 70k health

Pretty sure this isn't possible without having magicka issues.

There is never a resource issue if you plan and play accordingly. 1 Vs 15-25 plus guys you will die no matter what. The object is to take as many down as possible. This build is designed to be abox of grenades when solo or grouped. You will be first into any breach. Your object is to steadily spam bs when your taking appropriate damage and bounce back 10-12k per blast. I spam 8-10 of these in12-15 seconds when getting hit by 10 plus guys. Never fight in open as you will get your arrrrse kited. Use buildings, siege openings and los crevices, trees, rocks so on. Bait them into small areas for your team is the best for ap farming. I always repeat this build is not a biting jabs/sweeps type of build where you DPS then shield. You mainly use 4abilities. Blazing shield, absorb, radiant destruction when not getting hit and someone is low health, and the vamp invigorating drain when either low health or to stun someone for your team. Those using spears, sweeps/jabs or anything else are wasting prescious magic which we have very little of...and Stam which is needed for absorb/break free.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

loki547 wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

I have 61k health so I guess I'm within "your range" of an "acceptable" Blazing Shield build lol. It'd be great if in Cyro 100% of the time you just stood there and spammed Blazing shield and everyone just dies. And maybe that's how it is on Blackwater Blade where you play. But half the time you're not in that scenario on PC NA, it's 1vX small groups, 1v1's, and then yes larger zerg balls. I like to be able to deal with all those situations and I can and have with this build. And yes there are moments when good players actually back off because they are getting hit too much with blazing shield, so that's when you weave in light and heavy attacks to get back stam/proc Red Diamond throw down channeled focus etc. Really sounds like you're new to game lil bro message in game and I can help you out with your build!

Amazed you flagged my post to you. Calling me a noob by saying I'm on blackwater? Calling me little bro? Suggesting I need help? I play on Xbox one where we have zergs and large population. Sorry your on a PC where there is never more than 5 people...which works great for your weaving... but in a big boy server there is almost never a time to weave, drop down cf , or anything other than bs and absorb. So take your condescending comments and keep them to yourself. Insulting me then flagging my post makes you obviously a troll. And hello Zos. Next time read others belittling comments before making judgement yourself.

Sureshawt

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

I have 61k health so I guess I'm within "your range" of an "acceptable" Blazing Shield build lol. It'd be great if in Cyro 100% of the time you just stood there and spammed Blazing shield and everyone just dies. And maybe that's how it is on Blackwater Blade where you play. But half the time you're not in that scenario on PC NA, it's 1vX small groups, 1v1's, and then yes larger zerg balls. I like to be able to deal with all those situations and I can and have with this build. And yes there are moments when good players actually back off because they are getting hit too much with blazing shield, so that's when you weave in light and heavy attacks to get back stam/proc Red Diamond throw down channeled focus etc. Really sounds like you're new to game lil bro message in game and I can help you out with your build!

Amazed you flagged my post to you. Calling me a noob by saying I'm on blackwater? Calling me little bro? Suggesting I need help? I play on Xbox one where we have zergs and large population. Sorry your on a PC where there is never more than 5 people...which works great for your weaving... but in a big boy server there is almost never a time to weave, drop down cf , or anything other than bs and absorb. So take your condescending comments and keep them to yourself. Insulting me then flagging my post makes you obviously a troll. And hello Zos. Next time read others belittling comments before making judgement yourself.

ROFL....Big boy server

Perhaps you missed his point that "on PC NA, it's 1vX small groups, 1v1's, and then yes larger zerg balls".

On XBOX it may be all zergs all the time but to play on NA you have to be flexible because it will not be zergs all the time. He is basically calling you out on your one trick pony build which is not in any way new or innovative....old news for NA PC players.

If you brought this build to the real big boy NA PC server you would be owned in 1v1 and 1vX. While you would kill many in a zerg ball before dying yourself because that is your one trick, however, a more flexible build and play style could do it all

Edit: I do agree that he came off a bit condescending.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Sureshawt wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Lollll. You obviously never played a pure blazing Shield build vs 15-25 enemies....if you did you would know there is no light or heavy weaving....there is back and forth blazing Shield and absorb...anything else is death to you. What your talking about is a weak ass shield on a normal Templar build....also there is no blocking with this build either. So once again you have not read this thread. It is for 60-70k health blazing Shield builds. Not wannabe blazers who think there weak shield helps them on a DPS magic build...those whom have done that have been destroyed with ease...so before saying someone doesn't know something, read the thread more. Blazing shield is an all or nothing skill. For those who feel different are blind and building hybrid...and we all know what hybrid means ..weak as all hell.

I have 61k health so I guess I'm within "your range" of an "acceptable" Blazing Shield build lol. It'd be great if in Cyro 100% of the time you just stood there and spammed Blazing shield and everyone just dies. And maybe that's how it is on Blackwater Blade where you play. But half the time you're not in that scenario on PC NA, it's 1vX small groups, 1v1's, and then yes larger zerg balls. I like to be able to deal with all those situations and I can and have with this build. And yes there are moments when good players actually back off because they are getting hit too much with blazing shield, so that's when you weave in light and heavy attacks to get back stam/proc Red Diamond throw down channeled focus etc. Really sounds like you're new to game lil bro message in game and I can help you out with your build!

Amazed you flagged my post to you. Calling me a noob by saying I'm on blackwater? Calling me little bro? Suggesting I need help? I play on Xbox one where we have zergs and large population. Sorry your on a PC where there is never more than 5 people...which works great for your weaving... but in a big boy server there is almost never a time to weave, drop down cf , or anything other than bs and absorb. So take your condescending comments and keep them to yourself. Insulting me then flagging my post makes you obviously a troll. And hello Zos. Next time read others belittling comments before making judgement yourself.

ROFL....Big boy server

Perhaps you missed his point that "on PC NA, it's 1vX small groups, 1v1's, and then yes larger zerg balls".

On XBOX it may be all zergs all the time but to play on NA you have to be flexible because it will not be zergs all the time. He is basically calling you out on your one trick pony build which is not in any way new or innovative....old news for NA PC players.

If you brought this build to the real big boy NA PC server you would be owned in 1v1 and 1vX. While you would kill many in a zerg ball before dying yourself because that is your one trick, however, a more flexible build and play style could do it all

Edit: I do agree that he came off a bit condescending.

Zos member deleted my reply to him as bashing and rude but kept his. That is such a joke when I replied to his condescending post. So the rule is you can belittle and be condescending , just don't bash or be rude? Oh wait being rude would be condescending...oh wait bashing is a form of condescending...oh wait ZOS are uneducated to know the difference? Hmmm...
As for my build. It is designed purely for the Big Zergs. The build he has to have 61k in know way is an all purpose build as its impossible. You magic lacks to do any damage whatsoever out side of blazing Shield other than radiant destruction at very low life...i agree a more flexible build could. But using blazing Shield outside of 50k plus is senseless and a waste of a slot. So the topic is : Blazing shields, Damage cap?. How we got into making a "do it all build" is off the beaten path. This info was suppose to help those going all or nothing and to know what effects blazing shields overall damage and what doesn't. Also talking about a damage cap which the game designers were not kind enough to explain in the description of the skill. So far my testing has not gone above 11.8k. With and without critting. If anyone has a current 2016 build with video doing higher would live to see it and know your build. Would love to improve mine. Again I repeat, this build is for those wanting to just have fun with big zergs. It is not a fully functional stand alone do everything pulling rabbits out your butt build. It's for solo bombing flags , siege entries so on or grouping and holding the line or spear heading a charge...nothing more.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Also like to note in 1v1 I have yet to meet anyone who can take this build down. Not counting emperors. Absorb massively heals against casters and bs is massive stand alone against Stam builds. When bursted and whittled by 4500 plus builds you just slap em with an invigorating from vamp line and watch your health fill right back...not to mention procs from Malubeth. For PC peeps I use to think I was a God in every mmorpg . Ulitma online, DAOC, Shadowbane, Everquest, Rift....and on and on. Until I realized my business grade internet speed was doing circles around phone line using laggers.. Just remember that next time you see 1 guy take on 10... watching people ult 3 seconds after you have dodged and ran around a tree...lag makes us all look like pros or like smos . .

JAMESLJNR

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Also like to note in 1v1 I have yet to meet anyone who can take this build down. Not counting emperors. Absorb massively heals against casters and bs is massive stand alone against Stam builds. When bursted and whittled by 4500 plus builds you just slap em with an invigorating from vamp line and watch your health fill right back...not to mention procs from Malubeth. For PC peeps I use to think I was a God in every mmorpg . Ulitma online, DAOC, Shadowbane, Everquest, Rift....and on and on. Until I realized my business grade internet speed was doing circles around phone line using laggers.. Just remember that next time you see 1 guy take on 10... watching people ult 3 seconds after you have dodged and ran around a tree...lag makes us all look like pros or like smos . .

What gear are you running? Only hitting 55k health as an imperial with 5 seducer 3 fasallas and 2 sithis.

EDIT: Oops just seen your above post, might try armour master. What traits are you running? Currently on 4 impen and 3 infused.

Wreuntzylla

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Damage in PvP and pve for max cap is the same. Tested. Nothing increases this damage except bastion and pure health.

Does that include elemental expert, spell erosion and thaumaturge? How about the crit damage CP? In either Gottbeard's build video or another thread, someone stated that all of these increase the damage and you can see the percent increase to the amount of the shield returned as damage increase. If these really don't affect blazing damage, I would run a completely different CP setup.

I was running 5pc Durok, 15% heal debuff poison and 5pc fasalla, but it looks like these do not proc on a shield and the poison proc is pretty random/single target. Even when I just let people beat on me without a shield I think I have gotten a stacked heal debuff once on one person. I'm not sure what the deal is but it should be a great group support build and isn't. I have had much more success just using reverberating bash...

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

vpadget9592b14_ESO wrote: »

Damage in PvP and pve for max cap is the same. Tested. Nothing increases this damage except bastion and pure health.

Does that include elemental expert, spell erosion and thaumaturge? How about the crit damage CP? In either Gottbeard's build video or another thread, someone stated that all of these increase the damage and you can see the percent increase to the amount of the shield returned as damage increase. If these really don't affect blazing damage, I would run a completely different CP setup.

I was running 5pc Durok, 15% heal debuff poison and 5pc fasalla, but it looks like these do not proc on a shield and the poison proc is pretty random/single target. Even when I just let people beat on me without a shield I think I have gotten a stacked heal debuff once on one person. I'm not sure what the deal is but it should be a great group support build and isn't. I have had much more success just using reverberating bash...

I use to cap at 11,800 and now I'm 11,050. Could be scroll loss? I did keep elemental at 100 and took out all my spell erosion and put rest into thaum since they made jabs and sweeps work again off it I thought I might get bs to work on it again also...seems I was wrong. I need more testing...i will try and get rid of thaum and elemental all together tonight and see if it drops damage. But it really is hard to determine since there is a hard cap on damage. I could do less damage, but when faced with many enemies it could hit the cap again . So will have to test on just one mob. I did test dropping to 52 from 63k health and putting 10k more magic. My max damage went down by more than 2k. Meaning magic has zeroooo affect on damage. Health only. Thus leading me to be leave elemental may have no affect also.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

I would like to add that my max damage seems to be a near exact mathematical equation of 37% divided by 2= 18.5 you see up to 19 then times it by health. Comes pretty close to my exact cap. Although I'm not sure the Templar skill line proc is playing a factor or not in this overall cap or even it it's proccing. Would have to have an enemy to test on and be in open communication with. If my theory of this is right..this would leave a lot of cp open to do much more with this build. Also when I was at 52k vs 63k felt like my shield was running at half the power...casting nearly twice as fast to keep it on...seemed like a huge difference.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Update. 63846 health and max damage was 11462 with zero points into elemental and 100 in elfborn and 67 spell erosion. Same crits as with 100 in elemental and 67 in thaum. Conclusion is elemental plays no part in increasing blazing Shield. Either coded poorly or its written wrong and it's not really magic based but physical? Or neither. Or just play capped to the point that you hit the ceiling with just pure health. Although if last statement is true I'm calling 2k less with 10k less health...so that is not the case. Next test I'm putting 100 in mighty.