Please make Magelight always-on again

josh.lackey_ESO

It's basically useless now. Before, I could slot it and prevent myself from being instagibbed by nb's. But now you have to spam it every 5 seconds, it's just pointless. The way it used to work would reveal any nb's who got close enough hit me with melee. I would hear the woosh sound and could react. It's just pointless now.

outsideworld76

But it now has a 50% damage mitigation against stealth attacks, that's quite a bonus.

josh.lackey_ESO

Radiant Magelight always had that, as well as preventing you from being stunned from stealth attacks. (Though it was bugged and didn't work against the Concealed Weapon stun.)

It's basically a self AoE Revealing Flare now. The passive function of 6 meters seeing stealth was better than the "can't stealth again for 3 seconds" mechanic. At the very least, I think Radiant Magelight should have the passive effect again, even if Inner Light does not.

newtinmpls

Yup it's crap now.

Counterproductive crap.

Tormy

Nah it's better now

outsideworld76

I like the can't cloak for 3 seconds, great for use in a group. Reveal the sneaky NB, sting him a few times with a blade, give him a good bash with my shield and let my mates give him a good beating as well. Ooh... you can't cloak? How unfortunate for you, should we call a medic to patch you up? Don't die on us yet... mmm.... doesn't move... guess he didn't use proxy det. and could not spam suprise attack/hidden blade/sap essence/swallow soul due to feeling squishy.

josh.lackey_ESO

outsideworld76 wrote: »

I like the can't cloak for 3 seconds, great for use in a group.

You could always do this with Revealing Flare.

Tormy wrote: »

Nah it's better now

How is it better now?

holosoul

Tormy wrote: »

Nah it's better now

It's better that you have to cast it instead of it being passive what the hell are you talking about?

newtinmpls

Tormy wrote: »

Nah it's better now

For the gankers....

Toc de Malsvi

No....go read the tool tip again...it still reduces the damage while slotted if you take the Radiant Magelight morph you do not have to spam it. I can tell you this currently functions fine on xbox.

Beardimus

I agree it's better now, costs less cos of the toggle, added damage mitigation etc. It's more than just seeing them, it's better auto defence plus the toggle proc's other stuff now (MoG) etc

josh.lackey_ESO

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No....go read the tool tip again...it still reduces the damage while slotted if you take the Radiant Magelight morph you do not have to spam it. I can tell you this currently functions fine on xbox.

Radiant Magelight has always prevented damage from stealth attacks; this is not new.

josh.lackey_ESO

Beardimus wrote: »

I agree it's better now, costs less cos of the toggle, added damage mitigation etc. It's more than just seeing them, it's better auto defence plus the toggle proc's other stuff now (MoG) etc

They did not ADD the damage mitigation. That was always there. I do not understand how it's "better auto defence[sic]" when you have to manually spam it now, but before, you could toggle it on and have some automatic de-stealth which, if you were perceptive, you could respond before they unloaded their combo on you.

The cost is actually HIGHER than it used to be. (1) You have to re-cast it constantly, eating up your magicka pool. (2) It's more than 5% of my Max Magicka to cast, even with spell cost reductions and light armor.

As for procs, it proc'd Might of the Guild before TG DLC. Then it was changed not to proc it. I used to toggle it off the back then, from stealth (it did not reveal you) to proc MotG. So what you're talking about is not a new feature of Magelight, it's an old feature they nerfed away, but then added it back. I would prefer it go back to the old way of working, which would include proc'ing MotG.

Shunravi

Beardimus wrote: »

I agree it's better now, costs less cos of the toggle, added damage mitigation etc. It's more than just seeing them, it's better auto defence plus the toggle proc's other stuff now (MoG) etc

What?

Beardimus

Okie doke. Difference of opinion I guess, I prefer it how it is now 100% as do a few others on this thread, so to us it's not 'pointless' to use your words.

I like the changes as per the patch notes from TG spec. Another point, before I ran inner light for a while and needed it on both bars for the crit etc and on bar swap you had to turn it back on, from TG one bar is enough as that's perm,also a gain (thus not pointless if you like that) So all these little bits, for me / my play style make the current way it works better.

So some changes suit some people others suit others, I prefer the toggle for sure, as do others, you don't. I get that,

josh.lackey_ESO

Beardimus wrote: »

Okie doke. Difference of opinion I guess, I prefer it how it is now 100% as do a few others on this thread, so to us it's not 'pointless' to use your words. I like the changes as per the patch notes from TG spec.

Some people like nerfs. Fair enough.

Another point, before I ran inner light for a while and needed it on both bars for the crit etc and on bar swap you had to turn it back on, from TG one bar is enough as that's perm,also a gain (thus not pointless if you like that) So all these little bits, for me / my play style make the current way it works better.

You still need it on BOTH bars, otherwise you lose Major Prophecy when you switch bars. I would agree that Magelight should only take one slot on one bar -- I've always had that complaint. Even when it was a toggle, I always thought if you had it on your back bar, you should be able to switch without it toggling off. It seems we are in vigorous agreement here. For a while, a Sorc could put it on their Overload bar, then toggle it right as the switched Overload off, and it would stay up without taking a bar slot. But that was fixed. heh.

So some changes suit some people others suit others, I prefer the toggle for sure, as do others, you don't. I get that,

This change should suit no one except nightblade gankers who can't fight, they just want to unload a combo on someone unsuspecting, then run away. This is happening almost constantly now. I used to have a defense against that: Radiant Magelight. Now there is nothing, literally nothing you can do except eat the dirt.

Beardimus

"some people like nerfs" lol, man, I mean come on. You just refuse to hear another's point of view - lets just say we agree to disagree! To me it's a buff. You don't like it, that's it! I'm right, you are right to - for us.

Example Re the bar comment, what if I don't need Crit on that bar? For me, that's a gain, a slot back. I hear you that you want it tying up both bars, I don't. We differ that's all.

You don't want to listen to any of the points that someone makes that likes it - perhaps I articulated them badly, my bad. So maybe I'll put it with less conjecture. To answer your question on 'how is it better now" my reply would be for ME it's the below :-

Magelight: ◾This ability and its morphs are no longer toggle abilities; instead, they will grant their Critical Strike rating benefits as long as they are slotted (similar to Expert Hunter).
◾Magelight can now be activated to summon a mote of magelight which exposes hidden or invisible enemies in a 6 meter radius for 5 seconds, and prevents revealed enemies from returning to stealth for 3 seconds.
◾This ability and the Radiant Magelight morph no longer decrease your maximum Magicka, due to the toggle changes noted above.
◾The Radiant Magelight morph will continue to prevent you from being stunned by stealth attacks, and will reduce damage from stealth attacks while slotted as a morph effect. Activating it also increases the radius of the activated reveal to 12 meters, and reduces the cost.
◾The Inner Light morph will continue to increase your maximum Magicka while slotted

Lastly, have you tried Defensive Rune? I've ran that a while, huge help system-anti-gank. (for me!!! )

holosoul

You never had to have it on both bars (it's the same now as it was then, you have it on that bar, you get the buffs)
It gave all the same buffs it does now, but they were all passive

that is a straight up nerf (you cast now for tiny duration that was previously infinite) there is nothing to agree or disagree upon you either didn't play back then or I don't know but it got nerfed.

your argument is basicaly, "but I had to press it once for crit"
I get that, I just think you don't know what you're missing compared to when it infinitely revealed stealth, still took away all crouch bonuses, and still gave you crit.

Cathexis

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

outsideworld76 wrote: »

I like the can't cloak for 3 seconds, great for use in a group.

You could always do this with Revealing Flare.

Tormy wrote: »

Nah it's better now

How is it better now?

It has a massive range and stops cloak spam. Didn't have either of those before.

Also, redundant to have magelight AFTER being attacked from stealth... and you did have to have it on both bars after being attacked from stealth.... AND you get the 20% damage bonus passive benefit again from casting it.

holosoul

Cathexis wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

outsideworld76 wrote: »

I like the can't cloak for 3 seconds, great for use in a group.

You could always do this with Revealing Flare.

Tormy wrote: »

Nah it's better now

How is it better now?

It has a massive range and stops cloak spam. Didn't have either of those before.

Also, redundant to have magelight AFTER being attacked from stealth... and you did have to have it on both bars after being attacked from stealth.... AND you get the 20% damage bonus passive benefit again from casting it.

good points, I still like the original one more (as sorc)

bardx86

Tormy wrote: »

Nah it's better now

its not

Lokey0024

Wish they would add a toggle slot just for toggle buffs. Like a utility slot that only certain abilities can go in.

Toc de Malsvi

I liked the previous version better cause it was easier to tell who to gank and who to leave alone.

MrTarkanian48

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I liked the previous version better cause it was easier to tell who to gank and who to leave alone.

^This

It depends on the user I guess.

Some players may prefer the toggle because gankers would typically let you pass by if they saw you had this active. Now its almost a troll ability. No one knows if you have it slotted. So they can attempt to gank you, fail due to Magelight, and get killed because of it.

josh.lackey_ESO

It's just trash nightblades that insta-kill combo you from stealth. It happens nonstop now. It happens about 5-10 times an hour in Cyrodiil. It makes the game not fun to play. I used to have a reasonable counter: run Radiant Magelight. Whether I was mounted, or on a siege, or standing still, or moving, or regardless the circumstance, if someone crept up on me, I had a second to react before the stun and damage dump. Now I don't have they anymore.

Even the skrubbiest of skrub nightblades can get enough damage to dump on you before the lagged-out server will let you break free to react. (And god help if your reaction is to put up a healing ward because it's the last thing to be calculated now. It will pop on you only after you rez up.)

artal

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

It's just trash nightblades that insta-kill combo you from stealth. It happens nonstop now. It happens about 5-10 times an hour in Cyrodiil. It makes the game not fun to play. I used to have a reasonable counter: run Radiant Magelight. Whether I was mounted, or on a siege, or standing still, or moving, or regardless the circumstance, if someone crept up on me, I had a second to react before the stun and damage dump. Now I don't have they anymore.

Even the skrubbiest of skrub nightblades can get enough damage to dump on you before the lagged-out server will let you break free to react. (And god help if your reaction is to put up a healing ward because it's the last thing to be calculated now. It will pop on you only after you rez up.)

I'm sorry but i fail to see your point here. First of all if I play nb ganker I would usually let people with radiant to pass by before and not attack them, now you dont know if they have it and gankers can get rekt because of it. If I decided to kill them for some reason than for sure I wouldn't sneak up to close to be popped out of stealth. Heavy attack with bow from safe distance into ambush would be my approach. So no second for you to react anyway.

Right now i like option of keeping nb out of stealth. Someone said that revealing flare did that to. Well its another skill to slot than. And if someone like to slot double radiant and revealing flare i dont know what to say to that.

Toc de Malsvi

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

It's just trash nightblades that insta-kill combo you from stealth. It happens nonstop now. It happens about 5-10 times an hour in Cyrodiil. It makes the game not fun to play. I used to have a reasonable counter: run Radiant Magelight. Whether I was mounted, or on a siege, or standing still, or moving, or regardless the circumstance, if someone crept up on me, I had a second to react before the stun and damage dump. Now I don't have they anymore.

Even the skrubbiest of skrub nightblades can get enough damage to dump on you before the lagged-out server will let you break free to react. (And god help if your reaction is to put up a healing ward because it's the last thing to be calculated now. It will pop on you only after you rez up.)

So.....basically your upset because you die 5-10 times in an hour....If you are dying to 'skrub' NB's with Radiant Magelight slotted you have a lot more problems then the function of ganking. Perhaps your expectations of your performance in PVP do not match the reality of your performance based on your skill.

GreenSoup2HoT

WTB old radiant mage light toggle. i loved the ability as a toggle.

Jennifur_Vultee

It was a better and more useful skill before Wrobel messed it up making it last six seconds. Bring back the old Mage light.

Hempyre

No.

No more *** toggles.

Toggles are dumb.

Add an appropriate duration timer.

josh.lackey_ESO

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

So.....basically your upset because you die 5-10 times in an hour....If you are dying to 'skrub' NB's with Radiant Magelight slotted you have a lot more problems then the function of ganking. Perhaps your expectations of your performance in PVP do not match the reality of your performance based on your skill.

There is no skill involved. Especially on the part of the nightblades who do it. You take a bunch of damage from a combo, and before you can break free from the stun, you are dead. The passive magelight used to prevent a lot of it. But the current magelight is useless in that regard because you have to spam it.

I don't care if it's a toggle or not, but the old passive detection should be added back, perhaps activating it can extend the range to 12m and prevent re-entering stealth for 3 seconds.