Sorc pvp build

Bdawwg

I've just got my sorc (magicka) to v16 (my first character to reach v16) and wanted to know what a decent starting build would be for pvp.
Since farming mats is now easier I was thinking 4 Magnus to begin with and something else but honestly I have no clue what else to use.
I'm using destro/resto build
Trying to get high Max magicka with a decent spell damage as well. Bare in mind this is for non cp as I'm now where near maxed out yet.
I can craft 8 traits in everything.
Any help would be appreciated.
Class is an altmer btw
Thanks in advance

iam117

4x magnus 4x mara 3x willpower would be a good combo of max mag, regen and spell power imho

Makkir

Did you happen to pick up the Molag Kena shoulders from the PvP vendor a few weekends ago?

Bdawwg

No I was on holiday unfortunately I can't believe I missed molag Lena and engine guardian. Are the console vendors 2 weeks behind the pc vendor or are they the same?

Il give the mara a try as well thanks for the responses, it's difficult getting my hands on those willpower jewellty. Hoping I get some good drops from rewards of the worthy to sell off

mubzander

What I use is dw and resto

Vicious death (not all at the best traits) and magnus (until I get the Lich set).

Skills are pretty much standard what everyone is running.

Champion points are my orisinium build ones, if anyone has any advice on the new allocations let me know

Bdawwg

Yeah I'm trying to get some sort of vd rings because I'm running health willpower rings. Too poor to get the arcane ones. Need to figure out a farming route around orsinum for ancestor silk now.

Septimus_Magna

On a sorc I would go with the following setup for small scale pvp:

4/5x Lich (resto on back bar as 5th piece)
3x Willpower arcane (3x spell dmg enchant)
4x Eyes of Mara (nirnhoned fire staff on front bar)

5 Light/1 Medium/1 Heavy
V15 tri-stat buff food
Atronach mundus

If you dont have the Lich set you can replace it with Magnus so you get the cost reduction on your resto staff bar. With Magnus you might need 1x magicka regen enchant on your jewelry but you have to test it for yourself.

Bdawwg

Again thank you, I'll start looking for Lich set pieces, I hear they drop from anchor bosses

Septimus_Magna

Bdawwg wrote: »

Again thank you, I'll start looking for Lich set pieces, I hear they drop from anchor bosses

Yeah, you can also buy pieces in guild stores.
The prices arent that high anymore, Ive seen pieces for only 20k.

Bdawwg

I shall have a look once I get home thanks

raasdal

For you NO-CP needs, there are two viable gear builds IMO;

Destro/Resto
5 pcs. Seducer
3 pcs. Magnus
3 pcs. Willpower

For me, i need one of the jewelry with regen, the two other with spell dmg. Mundus for regen as well, and tristat. If i go ANY more offensive than this, with ie. Kags or something, my sustain kills me too often. For NO-CP you need at least 2100 regen, to sustain anything. And that is in 7 light.

DW/Resto
4/5 pcs. Seducer
2 pcs. Willpower Swords (Or Magnus/Seducer)
1 pcs. Willpower Amulet
2 pcs. Endurance Rings (Or Willpower)
3 pcs. Magnus

The reason for using Willpower swords and endurance rings, is a personal thing for me, due to the cost of Willpower with Arcane trait. If you can afford it, go for swords in Magnus/Seducer for that 4th. Magnus bonus (which is spellpower) and then the Arcane willpower rings.

I have tried using both Kags and Julianos in NO-CP, but i fall short on the sustain no matter what. So my recommendation will be to mix Seducer, Magnus and Willpower, in any way you like.

Bdawwg

What kind of spell damage does that give you in the end? Like fully unbuffed. I used to run with seducers 5 and Magnus 3 before TG dropped but never at v16

raasdal

I think you will be around 1800 unbuffed Destro and 2200 DW. But not quite sure. Somewehere in that area i believe.

SneaK

I'm going to end up with 5 Twice Born 2 Torug 1 Kena 3 Willpower

Once I get Vicious Death, it'll be 5 Twice Born, 5 VD, 2 Torug (front bar)

Minalan

No love for kagrenac here?

5 Kagrenac for PVP, switch out for 5 piece Julianos for PVE or IC sewer grinding.

Add to that 3 spell damage willpower and 2 torug/1 molag or 3 Magnus depending on your mundus and CP setup.

The_Lex

Minalan wrote: »

No love for kagrenac here?

5 Kagrenac for PVP, switch out for 5 piece Julianos for PVE or IC sewer grinding.

Add to that 3 spell damage willpower and 2 torug/1 molag or 3 Magnus depending on your mundus and CP setup.

That's what I use in PvP. Good balance between sustain and spell power.

SneaK

Minalan wrote: »

No love for kagrenac here?

5 Kagrenac for PVP, switch out for 5 piece Julianos for PVE or IC sewer grinding.

Add to that 3 spell damage willpower and 2 torug/1 molag or 3 Magnus depending on your mundus and CP setup.

I also have a set of Kags but mainly wear it on my Templar. Awesome set.

ToRelax

raasdal wrote: »

For you NO-CP needs, there are two viable gear builds IMO;

Destro/Resto
5 pcs. Seducer
3 pcs. Magnus
3 pcs. Willpower

For me, i need one of the jewelry with regen, the two other with spell dmg. Mundus for regen as well, and tristat. If i go ANY more offensive than this, with ie. Kags or something, my sustain kills me too often. For NO-CP you need at least 2100 regen, to sustain anything. And that is in 7 light.

DW/Resto
4/5 pcs. Seducer
2 pcs. Willpower Swords (Or Magnus/Seducer)
1 pcs. Willpower Amulet
2 pcs. Endurance Rings (Or Willpower)
3 pcs. Magnus

The reason for using Willpower swords and endurance rings, is a personal thing for me, due to the cost of Willpower with Arcane trait. If you can afford it, go for swords in Magnus/Seducer for that 4th. Magnus bonus (which is spellpower) and then the Arcane willpower rings.

I have tried using both Kags and Julianos in NO-CP, but i fall short on the sustain no matter what. So my recommendation will be to mix Seducer, Magnus and Willpower, in any way you like.

In no CP you go full cost reduction on glyphs and pick Willow's over Seducer.

Brrrofski

I ran my normal sorc build when I popped into azura's a few times

5 kagernacs
2 torug's
1 kena
3 willpower

I just have a spare regen willpower.

Good sustain and sacrificed little damage.

raasdal

ToRelax wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

For you NO-CP needs, there are two viable gear builds IMO;

Destro/Resto
5 pcs. Seducer
3 pcs. Magnus
3 pcs. Willpower

For me, i need one of the jewelry with regen, the two other with spell dmg. Mundus for regen as well, and tristat. If i go ANY more offensive than this, with ie. Kags or something, my sustain kills me too often. For NO-CP you need at least 2100 regen, to sustain anything. And that is in 7 light.

DW/Resto
4/5 pcs. Seducer
2 pcs. Willpower Swords (Or Magnus/Seducer)
1 pcs. Willpower Amulet
2 pcs. Endurance Rings (Or Willpower)
3 pcs. Magnus

The reason for using Willpower swords and endurance rings, is a personal thing for me, due to the cost of Willpower with Arcane trait. If you can afford it, go for swords in Magnus/Seducer for that 4th. Magnus bonus (which is spellpower) and then the Arcane willpower rings.

I have tried using both Kags and Julianos in NO-CP, but i fall short on the sustain no matter what. So my recommendation will be to mix Seducer, Magnus and Willpower, in any way you like.

In no CP you go full cost reduction on glyphs and pick Willow's over Seducer.

Willows on a magicka sorc? IMO that woulf just be stupid. Waste of 2 slots (stam and hp regen). But you are correct on the Cost Reduction though. Pretth sure they have the better math. I do however prefer regen, as they give more sustain out of action, as opposed to reduction which only works when spamming skills. So it is alot about playstyle, when choosing.

But again - willows for a mag sorc? no way... Do not see how no cp would ever make that a good choice.

ToRelax

raasdal wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

For you NO-CP needs, there are two viable gear builds IMO;

Destro/Resto
5 pcs. Seducer
3 pcs. Magnus
3 pcs. Willpower

For me, i need one of the jewelry with regen, the two other with spell dmg. Mundus for regen as well, and tristat. If i go ANY more offensive than this, with ie. Kags or something, my sustain kills me too often. For NO-CP you need at least 2100 regen, to sustain anything. And that is in 7 light.

DW/Resto
4/5 pcs. Seducer
2 pcs. Willpower Swords (Or Magnus/Seducer)
1 pcs. Willpower Amulet
2 pcs. Endurance Rings (Or Willpower)
3 pcs. Magnus

The reason for using Willpower swords and endurance rings, is a personal thing for me, due to the cost of Willpower with Arcane trait. If you can afford it, go for swords in Magnus/Seducer for that 4th. Magnus bonus (which is spellpower) and then the Arcane willpower rings.

I have tried using both Kags and Julianos in NO-CP, but i fall short on the sustain no matter what. So my recommendation will be to mix Seducer, Magnus and Willpower, in any way you like.

In no CP you go full cost reduction on glyphs and pick Willow's over Seducer.

Willows on a magicka sorc? IMO that woulf just be stupid. Waste of 2 slots (stam and hp regen). But you are correct on the Cost Reduction though. Pretth sure they have the better math. I do however prefer regen, as they give more sustain out of action, as opposed to reduction which only works when spamming skills. So it is alot about playstyle, when choosing.

But again - willows for a mag sorc? no way... Do not see how no cp would ever make that a good choice.

Well stamina regen is of all the magicka classes used best on a Sorc because he gets no other means to regain stamina, and loses little of it to blocking. Health regen is pretty much of a wasted slot, yes, but the 5 piece bonus does makes up for that.

Bdawwg

Yeah I know about the cost reductions being better without cp. hmm I haven't found dual wield my play style because I like weaving medium attacks. I'm going to farm a load of ancestor silk and play around with a few sets

RoamingRiverElk

ToRelax wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

For you NO-CP needs, there are two viable gear builds IMO;

Destro/Resto
5 pcs. Seducer
3 pcs. Magnus
3 pcs. Willpower

For me, i need one of the jewelry with regen, the two other with spell dmg. Mundus for regen as well, and tristat. If i go ANY more offensive than this, with ie. Kags or something, my sustain kills me too often. For NO-CP you need at least 2100 regen, to sustain anything. And that is in 7 light.

DW/Resto
4/5 pcs. Seducer
2 pcs. Willpower Swords (Or Magnus/Seducer)
1 pcs. Willpower Amulet
2 pcs. Endurance Rings (Or Willpower)
3 pcs. Magnus

The reason for using Willpower swords and endurance rings, is a personal thing for me, due to the cost of Willpower with Arcane trait. If you can afford it, go for swords in Magnus/Seducer for that 4th. Magnus bonus (which is spellpower) and then the Arcane willpower rings.

I have tried using both Kags and Julianos in NO-CP, but i fall short on the sustain no matter what. So my recommendation will be to mix Seducer, Magnus and Willpower, in any way you like.

In no CP you go full cost reduction on glyphs and pick Willow's over Seducer.

Willows on a magicka sorc? IMO that woulf just be stupid. Waste of 2 slots (stam and hp regen). But you are correct on the Cost Reduction though. Pretth sure they have the better math. I do however prefer regen, as they give more sustain out of action, as opposed to reduction which only works when spamming skills. So it is alot about playstyle, when choosing.

But again - willows for a mag sorc? no way... Do not see how no cp would ever make that a good choice.

Well stamina regen is of all the magicka classes used best on a Sorc because he gets no other means to regain stamina, and loses little of it to blocking. Health regen is pretty much of a wasted slot, yes, but the 5 piece bonus does makes up for that.

That, and the 20% bonus to stamina regen from sorc passives...

Additionally, either Elo'dryel is just really OP since he uses stam regen in his builds despite stam regen being stupid, or... it works and he's op.

Granted, I think magicka sorc *duels* are a lot about having raw power, which is when a more regen-ish build will not work as well.

sluice

I my Kags set.
I now use Vicious Death/Clever Alchemist on my sorc though.
But definitely keeping my Kags safely for my Templar for once he hits VR16.

bronski

hey @ToRelax if you find a moment could you give me an idea of your stats with willow's (in no cp campaign)?

with magnus + seducer + willpower (atro as mundus) i have around 1700 magicka regen/35k magika and 2200 spell dmg
but i run 3 spell dmg enchant (i'm to cheap to buy jewelry just for the non cp campaign )

thanks

ToRelax

@bronski you're lucky, was just going to leave the forum
The first screenshot is buffed with Surge, Lightning Form and tri pots, I use Atronach and 3 magicka cost reduction glyphs. Here I have 5 Willow's, 3 Willpower, 2 Seducer and 1 Bloodspawn. I'll try VD some time, but Willow's stays in.

bronski

thank you @ToRelax that stamina regen looks sexy

Bdawwg

So if I went 3 cost reduction on my jewelry I could focus more on spell damage for my non cp build? Ie. Magnus and mara 4 piece