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I've never called for a nerf before, that isn't like me, but hell...
Aerius_Sygale
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F'ing nerf that frickin' Maw of Lorkhaj, good heavens... The normal version is barely easier than the VETERAN version should be. There is a difference between impossible and very challenging. Is it really acceptable? That there will be weeks, possibly months, with it having a non-existent leaderboard because it is practically impossible? In my opinion it isn't, and I don't even care about leaderboards, I just want the Dro-m'Athra Skin...
I don't feel like carrying on much in a nerf thread, because I'll feel like a stupid whining little ***, but this is the straw that broke the Hammerfell Camel's back, this HAS to be given thought. If you won't make it easier at VR16, at least let the achievement specifically for the Dro-m'Athra Skin be obtainable again at any Veteran Rank of Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, not just Veteran Rank 16...I'm desperate. I've degraded myself to making a thread like this... *shudders*
How many places and ways you can die instantly without even getting physically struck by an enemy is complete and utter bullshite. Get off the bad drug, just don't do them. Do good things, like not burning your fanbase. Please. 99% of the game is a total cakewalk, then there's...this. There's no middle ground. Don't say Veteran Group dungeons, they are easy compared even to non-Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. It is just dumb. Sorry ZOS, but you really need to do...something.
I don't feel like carrying on much in a nerf thread, because I'll feel like a stupid whining little ***, but this is the straw that broke the Hammerfell Camel's back, this HAS to be given thought. If you won't make it easier at VR16, at least let the achievement specifically for the Dro-m'Athra Skin be obtainable again at any Veteran Rank of Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, not just Veteran Rank 16...I'm desperate. I've degraded myself to making a thread like this... *shudders*
How many places and ways you can die instantly without even getting physically struck by an enemy is complete and utter bullshite. Get off the bad drug, just don't do them. Do good things, like not burning your fanbase. Please. 99% of the game is a total cakewalk, then there's...this. There's no middle ground. Don't say Veteran Group dungeons, they are easy compared even to non-Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. It is just dumb. Sorry ZOS, but you really need to do...something.
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Aerius_Sygale✭✭✭✭First the Alliance War dyes waaaay out of reach, now a stunning costume/skin! Why do ZOS dangle delectable carrots in front of my face, in a figure of speech, and always tell me no? I have legendary VR16 gear, all enchanted using Kutas, and am WELL above Champion Point cap (a little over 690), and I can't in a group get the first boss to even a third of his health off on VMoL, it is ***.
I actually have a solid tank/healer, so even though my stamina Nightblade main can deal over 53k damage in one hit, I feel like since there is a lack of tanks in the game, I'd be better off trying to go into a group on my tank. >_>'PS4/PS5, NA | PSN: AeriusSygale | Alliance War Rank 50 (Grand Overlord Grade 2) | CP: 2730+0 -
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✭lol pve playersThis recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.4 -
Vorcil✭✭✭✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »F'ing nerf that frickin' Maw of Lorkhaj, good heavens... The normal version is barely easier than the VETERAN version should be. There is a difference between impossible and very challenging. Is it really acceptable? That there will be weeks, possibly months, with it having a non-existent leaderboard because it is practically impossible? In my opinion it isn't, and I don't even care about leaderboards, I just want the Dro-m'Athra Skin...
I don't feel like carrying on much in a nerf thread, because I'll feel like a stupid whining little ***, but this is the straw that broke the Hammerfell Camel's back, this HAS to be given thought. If you won't make it easier at VR16, at least let the achievement specifically for the Dro-m'Athra Skin be obtainable again at any Veteran Rank of Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, not just Veteran Rank 16...I'm desperate. I've degraded myself to making a thread like this... *shudders*
How many places and ways you can die instantly without even getting physically struck by an enemy is complete and utter bullshite. Get off the bad drug, just don't do them. Do good things, like not burning your fanbase. Please. 99% of the game is a total cakewalk, then there's...this. There's no middle ground. Don't say Veteran Group dungeons, they are easy compared even to non-Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. It is just dumb. Sorry ZOS, but you really need to do...something.
Get a better guild? be a better player?
My guild and I can do ML normal easy as ***. Vet HM is still out of our reach, but we'll get there.
It was the same thing with the serpent trial; took us a couple months to map out the mechanics, but now it's a breeze.6 -
Aerius_Sygale✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »lol pve players
Grrrr, this game keeps me from keeping in frequent touch with dear friends over the Internet outside of the game, it isn't right... It shouldn't have to BE my life or I get nothing out of it. Why is that so difficult to understand? I honestly don't know what to think anymore about the game, its community in general, or ZOS...but no matter what I say or think now, I know I'll never just walk away from the game, there is a reason I am well over CP cap, I've played for at this point probably well over 4000 hours, but my main is only just about to reach Sargeant Grade 1 in PvP...PS4/PS5, NA | PSN: AeriusSygale | Alliance War Rank 50 (Grand Overlord Grade 2) | CP: 2730+0 -
NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭As much as I agree with you...it's hard. very hard. impossibly hard. They just fixed the random crashing issues. give it a month. so we can learn how to get past it without the handicap of having half the group disconnect every fight.650cp+ Sorcerer 100+ days /played
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✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »lol pve players
Grrrr, this game keeps me from keeping in frequent touch with dear friends over the Internet outside of the game, it isn't right... It shouldn't have to BE my life or I get nothing out of it. Why is that so difficult to understand? I honestly don't know what to think anymore about the game, its community in general, or ZOS...but no matter what I say or think now, I know I'll never just walk away from the game, there is a reason I am well over CP cap, I've played for at this point probably well over 4000 hours, but my main is only just about to reach Sargeant Grade 1 in PvP...
Don't let the game become your life. Never let a game prevent things in real life. You don't HAVE to complete vMOL. Accept defeat and move on like most players do.P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!4 -
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No one is going to agree with you, and they shouldn't this is a self righteous post.Aerius_Sygale wrote: »F'ing nerf that frickin' Maw of Lorkhaj, good heavens... The normal version is barely easier than the VETERAN version should be. There is a difference between impossible and very challenging. Is it really acceptable? That there will be weeks, possibly months, with it having a non-existent leaderboard because it is practically impossible? In my opinion it isn't, and I don't even care about leaderboards, I just want the Dro-m'Athra Skin...
I don't feel like carrying on much in a nerf thread, because I'll feel like a stupid whining little ***, but this is the straw that broke the Hammerfell Camel's back, this HAS to be given thought. If you won't make it easier at VR16, at least let the achievement specifically for the Dro-m'Athra Skin be obtainable again at any Veteran Rank of Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, not just Veteran Rank 16...I'm desperate. I've degraded myself to making a thread like this... *shudders*
How many places and ways you can die instantly without even getting physically struck by an enemy is complete and utter bullshite. Get off the bad drug, just don't do them. Do good things, like not burning your fanbase. Please. 99% of the game is a total cakewalk, then there's...this. There's no middle ground. Don't say Veteran Group dungeons, they are easy compared even to non-Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. It is just dumb. Sorry ZOS, but you really need to do...something.
My guild is currently on the last boss we got him to 66% on our first proper attempt. All it takes is practice and dedicated players, that is what it is made for. A lot of movement and nothing casual like AA/HRC/SO. The content has taken a very different pathway.
Just because you want the skin and can't get it so easy you want a nerf? Are you kidding me?#MOREORBS6 -
Sentinel✭✭✭✭There are meant to be portions of the game that are challenging, even impossibly so. These portions of the game are small for a reason, and not in any way necessary to be completed by everyone, or in any easy way. The target audience are those who are actively looking for a fun challenge whose completion is a very real goal. Let the trial remain as it is so that this group can have content of their own. For the sake of health in the game, allowing there to be these small areas of varying challenge in the game allows people to challenge themselves at their own pace, and have content always have a higher ceiling for them to reach. If these players always have something to strive towards for their completion, it keeps player retention higher, and the mindless grinding aspect lower. Therefore, the challenge should remain so that the group of players whose retention depends on challenging and engaging themselves remain.
Also, if the effort to obtain the aesthetic rewards was lowered, then the value of these aesthetic rewards would become lesser, and the general sense of accomplishment that the reward embodies would disappear. The aesthetics are such for a reason: to give a visual representation of the effort that went into obtaining a goal. Call it e-peen if you like, or pride, or a badge of honor, but it is in no way necessary that aesthetic rewards should be available to everyone, or become more widely available to everyone.
In short, leave MOL and their rewards as it is. It is unnecessary to nerf the difficulty, and to make the rewards easier to obtain, and to do so would dampen the overall quality of experience to the people that this content is tailored towards.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm going to go ahead and say no, it should not be nerfed.
Every single piece of this game's content has been nerfed since release, and there has to be a line. If you want the shinies, you earn the shinies.
Normal mode is definitely easier than veteran mode. You have to look at the mechanics of each enemy and learn to fight it accordingly. Not jumping in and steamrolling everything.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'll probably never complete Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj. With this said, they must NEVER nerf it. Everyone asked to nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena and I am glad they only bug fixed certain portions but never made anything purposely easier. There is some cool-looking loot to earn, but you have to earn it.
Want Maelstrom weapons? Complete the Veteran arena.
Want the Dro-m'Athra skin? Complete the Veteran trial.
This is the very hardest content that ESO has, just accept that you should not breeze through it. Gather a very experienced group and commit if you want to beat the hardest content in the game. I am very happy with ZOS for adding something like vMoL and hope you can eventually beat it as well.Edited by Vaoh on 27 March 2016 22:462 -
YoloWizard✭✭✭Sigh
If you believe you are a good player and you can't even kill the first boss then you might want to find a whole new group for it. The only problem I can see is how most players either don't care about improving themselves or thinking they are already on top and refuse to for more improvement. We started raiding Vet MOL on the PTS and took us 8 hours to kill the first boss, we continued trying to improve ourselves and so we did. Now we got last boss to 1% before wiping and we still gonna continue playing and improving because it is actually fun to do. If you give up after seeing first boss then probably leave the trial and forget about the skin which will be a nice reward for the "Actual good and improving" players that seek a challenging content since Sanctum Ophidia one and a half years ago!RETIRED
World First Vet Maw Of Lorkhaj Clear
World First Vet Halls of Fabrication Clear
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Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭I could be remembering wrong, but wasn't Maw of Lorkhaj intentionally designed to be one of the hardest features in the game? I seriously remember something about this but I can't quite recall.
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Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭My guild and i have nightly (half-asleep) farmruns on normalmode where we even invite random people if they're willing to be on ts.
I can't see a problem for the life of me, i dont wanna seem condecending but if its the normalmode you're struggling with this is an L2P issue.1 -
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✭✭✭Why not just skip the thing? A cosmetic outfit isnt all that important. I probably wont bother with maw myself.2 -
Aerius_Sygale✭✭✭✭I quickly regret making this thread. I should never ask for anything from ZOS specifically, I'll never get it, I never get anything I want. Werewolf Berserker still looks the same as the unmorphed version, it isn't black with red eyes like the icon indicates. The Werewolf Lord Polymorph that was datamined many months ago never saw the light of day, I'm just going to hit my head against a wall and leave it there for a while...I can't even be let delete this regrettable thread. -_- Thanks, everyone... *clenches fist tightly*PS4/PS5, NA | PSN: AeriusSygale | Alliance War Rank 50 (Grand Overlord Grade 2) | CP: 2730+2
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Why not just skip the thing? A cosmetic outfit isnt all that important. I probably wont bother with maw myself.
I don't know, that is a really spiffy looking cosmetic piece.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »I quickly regret making this thread. I should never ask for anything from ZOS specifically, I'll never get it, I never get anything I want. Werewolf Berserker still looks the same as the unmorphed version, it isn't black with red eyes like the icon indicates. The Werewolf Lord Polymorph that was datamined many months ago never saw the light of day, I'm just going to hit my head against a wall and leave it there for a while...I can't even be let delete this regrettable thread. -_- Thanks, everyone... *clenches fist tightly*
There's nothing wrong with asking. Especially for stuff like the Berserker visuals.
Asking for a nerf on this? Probably no point, but, hey, you can ask.3 -
Aerius_Sygale✭✭✭✭My guild and i have nightly (half-asleep) farmruns on normalmode where we even invite random people if they're willing to be on ts.
I can't see a problem for the life of me, i dont wanna seem condecending but if its the normalmode you're struggling with this is an L2P issue.
I've never tried normal mode, I just heard from a guild member that it was ridiculously intense. If it is that easy and he had that much trouble, that is his problem, not mine. Hopefully I will at least be able to get that stupid, feels light dozenth light blue dye, from the normal version...PS4/PS5, NA | PSN: AeriusSygale | Alliance War Rank 50 (Grand Overlord Grade 2) | CP: 2730+0 -
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✭✭Its on purpose since they will constant buff classes, cp, gear and levels. Its the same with everything. Tho I agree with you, right now its impossible for the game. I was there once when it was scaled to vr1, and it was insanely difficult. I just patently wait now. Maybe we need to wait for next major update to try to do it, idk.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭My guild and i have nightly (half-asleep) farmruns on normalmode where we even invite random people if they're willing to be on ts.
I can't see a problem for the life of me, i dont wanna seem condecending but if its the normalmode you're struggling with this is an L2P issue.
lol i didn't read your first post at first because it was too long
If you want to nerf the vet version for the skin here's my answer: you don't deserve the skin if you can't beat vet-mode >:(0 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't understand people that complain about vMoL. If you do your easy mode AA, Hel Ra, or SO weekly on a few toons each week you are probably getting more vMoL gear than the people actually spending most of their time in actual vMoL. On top of that, it's already yellow and all you had to do was faceroll through AA to get it.
All of the rewards in vMoL can be obtained by doing something much easier, so why nerf it? There is no real reason to do vMoL other than wanting a challenge.Edited by timidobserver on 27 March 2016 23:54V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »F'ing nerf that frickin' Maw of Lorkhaj, good heavens... The normal version is barely easier than the VETERAN version should be.
Are you kidding me? The normal version is pretty easy.
The problem is 99.9% of PVE in this game is so mind numblingly easy, a very low percentage of the population actually knows how to play ESO. The game only has two modes: stupidly easy or moderately challenging.
I had a level 4 mule in Hew's Bane today with no weapons, np CPs, wearing only soul shriven pants (from the tutorial) and he can solo. Most of this game is designed to be almost impossible to fail. No one ever has to adapt or learn the systems, so very very very few do.Edited by zyk on 28 March 2016 00:003 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »F'ing nerf that frickin' Maw of Lorkhaj, good heavens... The normal version is barely easier than the VETERAN version should be. There is a difference between impossible and very challenging. Is it really acceptable?....I don't feel like carrying on much in a nerf thread, because I'll feel like a stupid whining little ***, but this is the straw that broke the Hammerfell Camel's back,Aerius_Sygale wrote: »My guild and i have nightly (half-asleep) farmruns on normalmode where we even invite random people if they're willing to be on ts.
I can't see a problem for the life of me, i dont wanna seem condecending but if its the normalmode you're struggling with this is an L2P issue.
I've never tried normal mode, I just heard from a guild member that it was ridiculously intense. If it is that easy and he had that much trouble, that is his problem, not mine. Hopefully I will at least be able to get that stupid, feels light dozenth light blue dye, from the normal version...
You didn't even try Normal Maw of Lorkhaj before asking for a nerf? I don't even think you tried Veteran Mode.
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✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »F'ing nerf that frickin' Maw of Lorkhaj, good heavens... The normal version is barely easier than the VETERAN version should be. There is a difference between impossible and very challenging. Is it really acceptable? That there will be weeks, possibly months, with it having a non-existent leaderboard because it is practically impossible? In my opinion it isn't, and I don't even care about leaderboards, I just want the Dro-m'Athra Skin...
I don't feel like carrying on much in a nerf thread, because I'll feel like a stupid whining little ***, but this is the straw that broke the Hammerfell Camel's back, this HAS to be given thought. If you won't make it easier at VR16, at least let the achievement specifically for the Dro-m'Athra Skin be obtainable again at any Veteran Rank of Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, not just Veteran Rank 16...I'm desperate. I've degraded myself to making a thread like this... *shudders*
How many places and ways you can die instantly without even getting physically struck by an enemy is complete and utter bullshite. Get off the bad drug, just don't do them. Do good things, like not burning your fanbase. Please. 99% of the game is a total cakewalk, then there's...this. There's no middle ground. Don't say Veteran Group dungeons, they are easy compared even to non-Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. It is just dumb. Sorry ZOS, but you really need to do...something.
Lol we one shot normal mode first time we entered the trial. It was so easy we thought it may have been ed bugged....0 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Oh you poor thing.... you will complete VMOL in the next 6 months. It's typical of new content to be HARD for the first few months then ZoS nerfs it to cater to a larger population. Either spend tons of hours developing strategies and a group who can complete it or wait till its old content.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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✭Players were spoiled for a long time. There was either no mechanics to be concerned with, or you could out DPS and ignore them. First with ICP anf WGT and then even better with MoL, it's all steps in the right direction.
Now if ZOS would just update vDSA...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh you poor thing.... you will complete VMOL in the next 6 months. It's typical of new content to be HARD for the first few months then ZoS nerfs it to cater to a larger population. Either spend tons of hours developing strategies and a group who can complete it or wait till its old content.
Or wait for gear to tick past V16, and faceroll it for Christmas.1 -
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✭Although I never set foot in there in the veteran version and as much as I'm an achievement pervert, since the release of Maelstrom Arena I give my shrugs to these achievements (and their "super awesome" rewards).
I've heard only rumors so far and before a nerf, I really want more stability, lag reduction, less crash and so on. Until then, the 3 guilds I'm member will keep teaching folks how to do it. Sometimes we don't finish, but c'est la vieI am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
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Acsvf✭✭✭It's a piece of difficult content for players who need a challenge. Not sure what the issue here.@LightArray
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