Wrecking Blow and its wonders

Lyar09

Just showing the wonders of PvP in this game and the abilities working as intended. It wasn't lag as you can see my latency in the bottom left. Wrecking Blow needs to be fixed and adjusted ZOS. Nothing has changed from the PTS and on live about this broken ability. @ZOS_GinaBruno @zos_wrobel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_w1vQH8884

Jade1986

WB needs to have its range toned down by 2 meters, that is it. I understand how it is annoying to get WBd to death, but as a pure archer build, even I can get away from it, it isn't THAT difficult. Speed pots and immovable pots are your friend.

Thelon

Lokey0024

The guy who hit you probly has wifi stolen from mcdonalds down the street. Wish there was minimal req. internet speed to play multiplayer online but so far most games suffer the same fate.

Lyar09

laced wrote: »

WB needs to have its range toned down by 2 meters, that is it. I understand how it is annoying to get WBd to death, but as a pure archer build, even I can get away from it, it isn't THAT difficult. Speed pots and immovable pots are your friend.

please explain to me where in that video did you even see a wrecking blow charging up? The skill is bugged with its rage. I was well outside of the range and LOS'd behind a tree.

Lisbette

Clearly an L2P issue

Rabbyrow1234

I use wb with my stamblade and I can tell you that I hit experienced players like 1/7 attempts.
Inexperienced? 7/7
L2p
Hint: dodgeroll

Lyar09

Rabbyrow1234 wrote: »

I use wb with my stamblade and I can tell you that I hit experienced players like 1/7 attempts.
Inexperienced? 7/7
L2p
Hint: dodgeroll

I can tell you don't know wtf you're talking about because you're clearly a moron for using wb on a stamblade when you have a insta cast dps ability with surprise attack. Also, I did dodge roll and was behind the tree and was well outside the range of wb. Quit trolling.

Alcast

Working as intended

Reevster

Ya no ability should be able to weave around objects out of line of sight, WB is definitely broken, i agree with the OP.

CtrlAltDlt

Damn that range though. WB is cheese

Xeniph

If you notice,

That gap closer that stopped you in your tracks just before the WB, was from the same NB. You simply didn't get out of range before the .5 second timestamp on the checks.

And to dodge roll WB you have to do it just after the back wind up and before the upswing.

But it's not the abilities fault you got hit like this, it's the current Range/Los checks criteria of the engine. I have seen video's of myself nailing someone with WB, and on their screen I was well over 7m, but on mine I was never beyond 5m.

So it's the checks and pings of both players that is involved here. Not just yours. Your ping was 113, but his might have been 80, which is quite a difference really. And then there was the REALLY low FPS you had.

It's not as cut and dry as you think.

Lyar09 wrote: »

Rabbyrow1234 wrote: »

I use wb with my stamblade and I can tell you that I hit experienced players like 1/7 attempts.
Inexperienced? 7/7
L2p
Hint: dodgeroll

I can tell you don't know wtf you're talking about because you're clearly a moron for using wb on a stamblade when you have a insta cast dps ability with surprise attack. Also, I did dodge roll and was behind the tree and was well outside the range of wb. Quit trolling.

This right here is the single most ignorant thing I have heard on the forums. Both abilities have merit, not only in the same build, but in separate builds.

I won't explain the nuances, but rest assured, WB is not at all wasted on a NB if used properly.

Didgerion

Lyar09 wrote: »

Wrecking Blow needs to be fixed and adjusted ZOS. Nothing has changed from the PTS and on live about this broken ability.

Oh man you don't know what you are asking for. I really hope they don't fix it.

I can tell you how their fix will look like right away:
- the range will not be reduced.
- the range check will not be adjusted.
- they will apply a 60% unpurgeable snare just to make sure that WB connects.

Are you sure you wanna it fixed?

DHale

WB is fine I don't use it and likely not going to use it. For you and anyone else it is available for everyone to use. It's not skillful to play it... its skillful to avoid it. Yes I die to it especially in lag. Quit the asking for nerfs it's literally killing this wonderful yet flawed game.

OurOwn

I'd be more mad at that executioner lol

Jade1986

Lyar09 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

WB needs to have its range toned down by 2 meters, that is it. I understand how it is annoying to get WBd to death, but as a pure archer build, even I can get away from it, it isn't THAT difficult. Speed pots and immovable pots are your friend.

please explain to me where in that video did you even see a wrecking blow charging up? The skill is bugged with its rage. I was well outside of the range and LOS'd behind a tree.

The charge not showing up is ZoS horrible coding and ridiculously awful server / datacenter quality. I literally live 30 minutes from their so called EU datacenters and STILL have connection issues. I can only imagine the problems people have that live outside of the area. It isn't the ability itself.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Simple fix range is 3 meters cast time is 2 or 3 seconds.

But a simple fix like that interferes with ZOS logic and will saddly never happen.

Cody

laced wrote: »

WB needs to have its range toned down by 2 meters, that is it. I understand how it is annoying to get WBd to death, but as a pure archer build, even I can get away from it, it isn't THAT difficult. Speed pots and immovable pots are your friend.

speed pots wont do anything, most 2Hers use critical rush (usually stampede) immovable pots could work.

Cody

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple fix range is 3 meters cast time is 2 or 3 seconds.

But a simple fix like that interferes with ZOS logic and will saddly never happen.

2 seconds is already too much, 3 would make it useless. I was around when it had a 3 second cast time, the ability was a joke. If it was not interrupted, it was very easy to dodge and did not put out enough burst to do anything; same with snipe in fact.

Duiwel

I agree it's a L2P issue, there might not have been any lag on YOUR side....

However there could've been on the server side or as stated above he has 3rd world internet and it happens.

If you have ever used 2H you'd know WB CANNOT hit that far OP, & neither can execute.
So clearly this was server lag...

So before you cry for nerfs test it out to ensure it's actually the issue you believe it is.


Secondly the fact that you didn't see an animation can be caused by many things including AC.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Wb is one of the most *** abilities in game and it needs to be toned down a bit.

Bofrari

I can tell you this about wb I've only been pvping for two months and it's simply the easiest thing to counter I look forward to wb spammers it's literally easy AP for me and on top of that the people doing it die so easy and I play a mana templar

rfennell_ESO

What this shows is the commonplace behavior of wrecking blow.

I've been hit with it from much further, through walls, while I'm behind the spammer and cloaked.... you name it.

The most broken thing about it is it's only totally broken for "certain" players.

leepalmer95

JDC1985 wrote: »

I can tell you this about wb I've only been pvping for two months and it's simply the easiest thing to counter I look forward to wb spammers it's literally easy AP for me and on top of that the people doing it die so easy and I play a mana templar

If your on console ps4 eu, ill show you how there not 'easy ap' if they know what there doing. Wb needs toning down, if at least needs fixing first though.

leepalmer95

Duiwel wrote: »

I agree it's a L2P issue, there might not have been any lag on YOUR side....

However there could've been on the server side or as stated above he has 3rd world internet and it happens.

If you have ever used 2H you'd know WB CANNOT hit that far OP, & neither can execute.
So clearly this was server lag...

So before you cry for nerfs test it out to ensure it's actually the issue you believe it is.


Secondly the fact that you didn't see an animation can be caused by many things including AC.

I've used wb, theres been a few times where i've hit someone i know i shouldn't of.

How is it a L2P issue if it's server side lag? Explain.

Random people throwing l2p out there when they have no idea.

Tankqull

leepalmer95 wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

I can tell you this about wb I've only been pvping for two months and it's simply the easiest thing to counter I look forward to wb spammers it's literally easy AP for me and on top of that the people doing it die so easy and I play a mana templar

If your on console ps4 eu, ill show you how there not 'easy ap' if they know what there doing. Wb needs toning down, if at least needs fixing first though.

fix it first. i´m not sure if it would then need any further nerfs.

leepalmer95

Tankqull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

I can tell you this about wb I've only been pvping for two months and it's simply the easiest thing to counter I look forward to wb spammers it's literally easy AP for me and on top of that the people doing it die so easy and I play a mana templar

If your on console ps4 eu, ill show you how there not 'easy ap' if they know what there doing. Wb needs toning down, if at least needs fixing first though.

fix it first. i´m not sure if it would then need any further nerfs.

Yeah see how it is without the dodgy range and cc first.

If it still seems really strong just remove the cc, a high dmg skill that empowers itself shouldn't have a good hard cc to it anyway. Give it something else, like minor fracture or a small bleed or something as a compensation

This way it won't affect the PvE's who use it.

Tankqull

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

I can tell you this about wb I've only been pvping for two months and it's simply the easiest thing to counter I look forward to wb spammers it's literally easy AP for me and on top of that the people doing it die so easy and I play a mana templar

If your on console ps4 eu, ill show you how there not 'easy ap' if they know what there doing. Wb needs toning down, if at least needs fixing first though.

fix it first. i´m not sure if it would then need any further nerfs.

Yeah see how it is without the dodgy range and cc first.

If it still seems really strong just remove the cc, a high dmg skill that empowers itself shouldn't have a good hard cc to it anyway. Give it something else, like minor fracture or a small bleed or something as a compensation

This way it won't affect the PvE's who use it.

the first nerf to be applied if everneeded - is to add the common snare on every casted/channeled attack but WB ...
[edit: what i ment was adding the snare component for casting an ability to WB aswell]

Lyar09

Appreciate all the comments. To be fair, I probably would have died eventually in this clip since that sorc tore me a new one with the inev det and curse. But needless to say, I made this video to bring awareness to ZOS and people in the community who arent on the receiving end of this problem (wb spammers). For those saying it is a L2P issue....I will duel any of you. I am DC NA on PC. I am open to "learn" more from this so called "L2P" issue by dueling.

Jade1986

Tankqull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

I can tell you this about wb I've only been pvping for two months and it's simply the easiest thing to counter I look forward to wb spammers it's literally easy AP for me and on top of that the people doing it die so easy and I play a mana templar

If your on console ps4 eu, ill show you how there not 'easy ap' if they know what there doing. Wb needs toning down, if at least needs fixing first though.

fix it first. i´m not sure if it would then need any further nerfs.

Yeah see how it is without the dodgy range and cc first.

If it still seems really strong just remove the cc, a high dmg skill that empowers itself shouldn't have a good hard cc to it anyway. Give it something else, like minor fracture or a small bleed or something as a compensation

This way it won't affect the PvE's who use it.

the first nerf to be applied if everneeded - is to add the common snare on every casted/channeled attack but WB ...

Frags knocks down the enemy. Then Frags would need to be given a snare as well =P.

Cogo

So, this is a

• single target only ability
• that costs stamina
• have a "cast time"
• High damage but low DPS
• Stuns - if the target is stunable
• and can be completely avoided by simply moving

I give up. Except a stun, and maybe a last big hit, why is this ability even interesting?

I don't even use it for anything other than not to get bored about the real power in 2H.

The ability that

• hits EVERY target in range. (Are 60 targets even max?)
• Costs less stamina then you get back - endless spam attack
• Instant attack - can even be fired "mid air"
• Huge DPS
• Can not be avoided by moving when you see the attack
• Works on all types of targets
• One of the best "Zerg" killers for solo pvpers in the game

Sure, I like this a lot, but "one win button" gets boring fast and only puts me behind when it gets tweaked.

Is it one high damage hit and stun, with a big number that is so appealing?

Help me to understand this. Why isn't 20 dead targets way more interesting, than maybe one?