Shield Breaker Set.....Thoughts

NagualV

Hey all. So I've reached alliance rank 12(corporal) by zerging (I admit it) In the past couple of weeks, while in IC farming stones, I've encountered people dueling. They've spotted me, killed me, and I've gone back and gotten hooked on dueling. I've only done 3 "sessions", but now I want to learn to duel well. I'm a stam nighblade(intend on staying that way despite everything I hear) and have been fighting sorcerers almost exclusively and have a couple of questions -

1. What does the pvp/dueling community think about the shield breaker set? I haven't used it and I want to learn to beat sorcs without it, but it seems like it's much easier to beat them with it. Again, not thinking of using it, but did want to know what people thought about it

2. Are there regular times and places where people duel where I can get my but kicked over and over till I get good? Any guilds?

KenaPKK

This thread isn't really about Shieldbreaker. @Ipomoea you are frustrated at losing 1v1s against sorcs on your stamblade, which is a tough matchup, and you want to get better. Shieldbreaker will help you beat a bad sorc, but it won't help against a good one and certainly won't improve your skill as a player. This thread is a plea to help you improve your 1v1 mechanics.

If you play on the NA server, message or mail me @KenaPKK in game for an invitation to one of NA's two dueling guilds. I am an officer in both the general community dueling guild, Legend, which goes back to the early days of ESO, and the hardcore dueling guild, Mighty, a newer community for excellent players and those who are serious about becoming excellent. Most of the top duelists, solo, and small group players on the NA server are in these guilds.

It's always nice finding less experienced players who are enthusiastic about improving.

kingqueso950

Rather than using SB i would recommend using dual maces or using swords with the armor pen trait. works well for me

Leovolao

There are duels pretty much all the time in PTS right now. There are also guilds dedicated to dueling. Depends on what server and platform you are playing tho, if you are PC NA I might get you an invite to a dueling guild.

Millerman34n

I will teach you how to duel like a pro, msg @Millerman34n na pc for advise and to duel me!

Rylana

Shieldbreaker is too niche to be widespread. The five piece anyway. The four piece is really good but Morkuldin is exactly the same and can be crafted to your liking on traits.

Basically, shieldbreaker alone isnt going to I-win vs a good shield user. If you could beat them with SB, youd have beat them without it, the damage proc is completely inconsequential and easily healed through with passive HoTs or healing wards.

About the only time SB id "dangerous" is when some knob sits back and plinks on someone already about to die to a zerg, and they can go back-pat themselves I guess?

But it wont win you a duel, it wont silver bullet that nasty shield stacker you cant take down otherwise. Look elsewhere, because there are better five piece bonuses out there. In fact the first person I slaughter in a fight is the a-hole plinking me with that annoying sound. Then go right back to business as usual.

ToRelax

Well let's say using that set won't make you many friends among duelers. Aside from that, if you want to duel to become better at PvP, it wouldn't make sense to rely on it.

Derra

Shieldbreaker is in my opinion a Xv1 set. It´s really good when you can bowspam someone from a distance who´s getting pounded on anyway.

In a duel setup morkuldin is much harder to play against imo.

NagualV

Thank you all for the replies.

NagualV

KenaPKK wrote: »

This thread isn't really about Shieldbreaker. @Ipomoea you are frustrated at losing 1v1s against sorcs on your stamblade, which is a tough matchup, and you want to get better. Shieldbreaker will help you beat a bad sorc, but it won't help against a good one and certainly won't improve your skill as a player. This thread is a plea to help you improve your 1v1 mechanics.

If you play on the NA server, message or mail me @KenaPKK in game for an invitation to one of NA's two dueling guilds. I am an officer in both the general community dueling guild, Legend, which goes back to the early days of ESO, and the hardcore dueling guild, Mighty, a newer community for excellent players and those who are serious about becoming excellent. Most of the top duelists, solo, and small group players on the NA server are in these guilds.

It's always nice finding less experienced players who are enthusiastic about improving.

Thanks, you nailed it. I play on NA server, and was unable to message you. Looking forward to an invite

KenaPKK

Ipomoea wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

This thread isn't really about Shieldbreaker. @Ipomoea you are frustrated at losing 1v1s against sorcs on your stamblade, which is a tough matchup, and you want to get better. Shieldbreaker will help you beat a bad sorc, but it won't help against a good one and certainly won't improve your skill as a player. This thread is a plea to help you improve your 1v1 mechanics.

If you play on the NA server, message or mail me @KenaPKK in game for an invitation to one of NA's two dueling guilds. I am an officer in both the general community dueling guild, Legend, which goes back to the early days of ESO, and the hardcore dueling guild, Mighty, a newer community for excellent players and those who are serious about becoming excellent. Most of the top duelists, solo, and small group players on the NA server are in these guilds.

It's always nice finding less experienced players who are enthusiastic about improving.

Thanks, you nailed it. I play on NA server, and was unable to message you. Looking forward to an invite

Yup. I'm online now. Hit me up.

NagualV

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

This thread isn't really about Shieldbreaker. @Ipomoea you are frustrated at losing 1v1s against sorcs on your stamblade, which is a tough matchup, and you want to get better. Shieldbreaker will help you beat a bad sorc, but it won't help against a good one and certainly won't improve your skill as a player. This thread is a plea to help you improve your 1v1 mechanics.

If you play on the NA server, message or mail me @KenaPKK in game for an invitation to one of NA's two dueling guilds. I am an officer in both the general community dueling guild, Legend, which goes back to the early days of ESO, and the hardcore dueling guild, Mighty, a newer community for excellent players and those who are serious about becoming excellent. Most of the top duelists, solo, and small group players on the NA server are in these guilds.

It's always nice finding less experienced players who are enthusiastic about improving.

Thanks, you nailed it. I play on NA server, and was unable to message you. Looking forward to an invite

Yup. I'm online now. Hit me up.

Just sent you a mail to @KenaPKK

NagualV

Ipomoea wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

This thread isn't really about Shieldbreaker. @Ipomoea you are frustrated at losing 1v1s against sorcs on your stamblade, which is a tough matchup, and you want to get better. Shieldbreaker will help you beat a bad sorc, but it won't help against a good one and certainly won't improve your skill as a player. This thread is a plea to help you improve your 1v1 mechanics.

If you play on the NA server, message or mail me @KenaPKK in game for an invitation to one of NA's two dueling guilds. I am an officer in both the general community dueling guild, Legend, which goes back to the early days of ESO, and the hardcore dueling guild, Mighty, a newer community for excellent players and those who are serious about becoming excellent. Most of the top duelists, solo, and small group players on the NA server are in these guilds.

It's always nice finding less experienced players who are enthusiastic about improving.

Thanks, you nailed it. I play on NA server, and was unable to message you. Looking forward to an invite

Yup. I'm online now. Hit me up.

Just sent you a mail to @KenaPKK

My account is cv_79

Didgerion

If you want a really balanced duel then go get a chess set and you are good to go.

SemiD4rkness

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Derra

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

Alucardo

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

NagualV

Alucardo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

Bear with me, I'm still learning....

As I understand it, those two things are bugged, correct?

Axes bleed more than intended? Also, how is reverberating bash bugged?

NagualV

Also, I'm guessing that was a funny/sarcastic "unrelated note" lol....

Alucardo

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

Bear with me, I'm still learning....

As I understand it, those two things are bugged, correct?

Axes bleed more than intended? Also, how is reverberating bash bugged?

Yes, they are. I was being sarcastic. I believe they are fixed on the PTS though, so hopefully with the next update those bugs will be no more.
Reverb bash has an unbreakable CC attached to it, so it's kinda frowned upon in duels. Then again, so does fear at times but no one says anything about that.

NagualV

Alucardo wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

Bear with me, I'm still learning....

As I understand it, those two things are bugged, correct?

Axes bleed more than intended? Also, how is reverberating bash bugged?

Yes, they are. I was being sarcastic. I believe they are fixed on the PTS though, so hopefully with the next update those bugs will be no more.
Reverb bash has an unbreakable CC attached to it, so it's kinda frowned upon in duels. Then again, so does fear at times but no one says anything about that.

Very interesting. So now that I'm going to begin the process of learning how to duel as a stam nightblade, ill ask this - you're saying that mass hysteria is frowned upon in duels? I know I'm new, but I'm trying to think of ways to duel as a stam nb without mass hysteria and am coming up short lol. Are hard cc's in general frowned upon?

Edit - my mistake, you did not say mass hysteria is frowned on in duels.

solynar

The best way to beat a shield stacker is to force him on the defensive and make him waste all his magic on shields. While you're doing that, fear him every5-6? seconds to drain their stamina. Block curse explosions. Avoid mines if possible, (if not possible, dodge roll through 1 or 2).When you see them eat a whole fear, wait until the next fear and hit him with everything you have. Make sure you have enough sustain. Running into a longer fight like this with food instead of drink is a bad idea. Keep in mind that there's no "this combo beats every sorc." You'll learn from experience and be able to spot what kind of play style they're using. Eventually you'll run into a sorcerer that you just can't beat in a fair fight. Luckily I've only met 1 that I just could not beat during duels.

Unless you some other stun, use fear. You need a way to stop them from casting for a period of time. If they say fear glitched, give them another go. It happens sometimes. More so in laggy campaigns.

And yes, shield breaker is trash 95% of the time. I wore that set for a day when IC first came out. There are 5 pc bonuses that will provide a far better all around bonus.

Alucardo

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

Bear with me, I'm still learning....

As I understand it, those two things are bugged, correct?

Axes bleed more than intended? Also, how is reverberating bash bugged?

Yes, they are. I was being sarcastic. I believe they are fixed on the PTS though, so hopefully with the next update those bugs will be no more.
Reverb bash has an unbreakable CC attached to it, so it's kinda frowned upon in duels. Then again, so does fear at times but no one says anything about that.

Very interesting. So now that I'm going to begin the process of learning how to duel as a stam nightblade, ill ask this - you're saying that mass hysteria is frowned upon in duels? I know I'm new, but I'm trying to think of ways to duel as a stam nb without mass hysteria and am coming up short lol. Are hard cc's in general frowned upon?

Edit - my mistake, you did not say mass hysteria is frowned on in duels.

No, no, fear is perfectly fine in duels. What I mean is even that is known to be bugged, people are still ok with using it, yet reverb bash is rarely allowed.
I think after the TG drop reverb will be allowed again (assuming it's fixed).

Tankqull

Alucardo wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

Bear with me, I'm still learning....

As I understand it, those two things are bugged, correct?

Axes bleed more than intended? Also, how is reverberating bash bugged?

Yes, they are. I was being sarcastic. I believe they are fixed on the PTS though, so hopefully with the next update those bugs will be no more.
Reverb bash has an unbreakable CC attached to it, so it's kinda frowned upon in duels. Then again, so does fear at times but no one says anything about that.

Very interesting. So now that I'm going to begin the process of learning how to duel as a stam nightblade, ill ask this - you're saying that mass hysteria is frowned upon in duels? I know I'm new, but I'm trying to think of ways to duel as a stam nb without mass hysteria and am coming up short lol. Are hard cc's in general frowned upon?

Edit - my mistake, you did not say mass hysteria is frowned on in duels.

No, no, fear is perfectly fine in duels. What I mean is even that is known to be bugged, people are still ok with using it, yet reverb bash is rarely allowed.
I think after the TG drop reverb will be allowed again (assuming it's fixed).

well the difference is fear can bug, rev.bash allways bug...

Alucardo

Tankqull wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Ipomoea wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

If you want to win a dueling tournament you better use the 5 piece shieldbreaker, otherwise it's an impossible task vs shield stacker sorcs.

Last EU tourney was won by a DK without shieldbreaker - sorry to ruin your day.

On an unrelated note he used a 2 handed axe and reverberating bash

Bear with me, I'm still learning....

As I understand it, those two things are bugged, correct?

Axes bleed more than intended? Also, how is reverberating bash bugged?

Yes, they are. I was being sarcastic. I believe they are fixed on the PTS though, so hopefully with the next update those bugs will be no more.
Reverb bash has an unbreakable CC attached to it, so it's kinda frowned upon in duels. Then again, so does fear at times but no one says anything about that.

Very interesting. So now that I'm going to begin the process of learning how to duel as a stam nightblade, ill ask this - you're saying that mass hysteria is frowned upon in duels? I know I'm new, but I'm trying to think of ways to duel as a stam nb without mass hysteria and am coming up short lol. Are hard cc's in general frowned upon?

Edit - my mistake, you did not say mass hysteria is frowned on in duels.

No, no, fear is perfectly fine in duels. What I mean is even that is known to be bugged, people are still ok with using it, yet reverb bash is rarely allowed.
I think after the TG drop reverb will be allowed again (assuming it's fixed).

well the difference is fear can bug, rev.bash allways bug...

Pretty much. I got hit with reverb by 2 nightblades the other night and I was sliding around on the floor all over the place, unable to do a damn thing. I can see why that skill is shunned upon in duels.
It even bugs on mobs. Every second bash or so the dremora wouldn't come out of the stun at all. I had to attack them.

Alucardo

Anyway, as far as Shield Breaker goes - use it, especially after TG drop. You thought sorcs are tanky now? Just wait until they are hitting you harder with these new sets and taking 25% less physical damage from you. Until something is done about shields, I'll use anything at my disposal (as long as it's not buggy).
While SB wasn't the best solution to the shield problem, it's all we have, so don't feel bad about using it.

coolermh

Sorcs are a tough match up in 1v1 period but I have had a lot of success using

5pc SB
1 Molag
1 -monster that gives stam...forgot the name
3-agility
1-bow with increased attack speed
2-hand

When you fight them dont use the sheild breaker right off the back...burst them down cc them a bit and get their health low... Thats when sorcs usually do the panic mode spam sheilds gogo... and thats when you switch to bow and hit them as fast as you can with SB.... works 60% of the time... everytime.

coolermh

Alucardo wrote: »

Anyway, as far as Shield Breaker goes - use it, especially after TG drop. You thought sorcs are tanky now? Just wait until they are hitting you harder with these new sets and taking 25% less physical damage from you. Until something is done about shields, I'll use anything at my disposal (as long as it's not buggy).
While SB wasn't the best solution to the shield problem, it's all we have, so don't feel bad about using it.

The new SB passive works with sheild breaker so if you put 100 pts in it sb set golded that did 2100 dmg per light attack now dowes ~2625ish per hit

Alucardo

coolermh wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Anyway, as far as Shield Breaker goes - use it, especially after TG drop. You thought sorcs are tanky now? Just wait until they are hitting you harder with these new sets and taking 25% less physical damage from you. Until something is done about shields, I'll use anything at my disposal (as long as it's not buggy).
While SB wasn't the best solution to the shield problem, it's all we have, so don't feel bad about using it.

The new SB passive works with sheild breaker so if you put 100 pts in it sb set golded that did 2100 dmg per light attack now dowes ~2625ish per hit

lol 2625 unresistable damage per hit. That'll teach 'em for using shields

Alucardo

coolermh wrote: »

Sorcs are a tough match up in 1v1 period but I have had a lot of success using


1 -monster that gives stam...forgot the name

Bloodspawn? Think 1pc = stam regen bonus

NagualV

Yeah its bloods pawn. Thanks for all of the comments, it's really appreciated. I know I'm gonna get murdered for quite some time (not just by sorcs), but that's a good thing.