Best Race for Magicka NB (PVP)

IcyDeadPeople

Rolling a new character - should I go with Breton, High Elf or...?

SneaK

Probably Breton...

But, I gotta say that a Wood Elf is up there IMO, that stam regen bonus and the stealthy passive is huge.

CatchMeTrolling

Depends on what you want to go for ultimately comes down to if you want the extra recovery a high elf has, elemental expert really isn't that special unless you plan to use a fire staff.

IcyDeadPeople

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Depends on what you want to go for ultimately comes down to if you want the extra recovery a high elf has, elemental expert really isn't that special unless you plan to use a fire staff.

I suppose I was looking more at the 10% max magicka, rather than elemental damage.

But haven't played magicka NB much since pre-release PTS, so I have very little experience and still haven't worked out a build yet.

CatchMeTrolling

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Depends on what you want to go for ultimately comes down to if you want the extra recovery a high elf has, elemental expert really isn't that special unless you plan to use a fire staff.

I suppose I was looking more at the 10% max magicka, rather than elemental damage.

But haven't played magicka NB much since pre-release PTS, so I have very little experience and still haven't worked out a build yet.

Well bretons and high elf's have the extra magicka. Bretons have extra resistance and reduced spell cost, while high elf has extra elemental damage and more recovery.

The usual builds I see tend to be resto/destro or vampire proxy det/sap/bat bombers

dday3six

I like Wood Elf, if we're strictly talking PVP. Dark Elf for a mix of PVE & PVP. The damage from stealth is a very nice bonus to Magicka NB, especially a Vampire one. The regen and increase to stamina of a Wood Elf helps to counteract the stamina management weakness of Magicka builds.

Knootewoot

I like Breton the best. But that is because I am one myself. And I am not a min-maxer but play what I like. But I think Breton is overall a good choice for magblade and not a bad choice for stamblade also.

Brrrofski

Breton. Magica, reduction are awesome. Resistance is great if you want to go vamp

Drearvoyage

I have a Breton Magblade which I really enjoy playing in PVP. If I was to start again I'd probably choose Dunmer: extra stamina for break-free and dodge rolling; extra magicka; extra fire damage to increase inferno staff damage. Then at least you have the option to swap to a stamina nightblade if you fancy a change.

Also, magicka cost reduction will diminish with champion points, it's easier to stack regeneration and then use your champion points to reduce the cost on an Altmer so you get access to both.

gregv

both are good choices went breton on a magicka nb myself and i enjoy it very much gives u a lot of choices on how u want to play and u can be versatile in situations, healing, dps, ive even unintentionally tanked before

pjwb16_ESO

Dark Elf or High Elf, depending wether you want to play the dual wield or the destro build

sneaky_t

high elf - the regen+max magica is great

Bfish22090

Breton, high elf regen is not needed with siphoning attacks

pjwb16_ESO

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Breton, high elf regen is not needed with siphoning attacks

the way bretons cost reduction is calculated its ***

Angus

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Breton, high elf regen is not needed with siphoning attacks

the way bretons cost reduction is calculated its ***

How does it stack with CPs and enchants?

IcyDeadPeople

Brrrofski wrote: »

Breton. Magica, reduction are awesome. Resistance is great if you want to go vamp

Isn't 9% magicka recovery boost a lot better than 3% cost reduction, or am I misunderstanding how this is calculated.

Angus

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Breton. Magica, reduction are awesome. Resistance is great if you want to go vamp

Isn't 9% magicka recovery boost a lot better than 3% cost reduction, or am I misunderstanding how this is calculated.

It's a bit situational, but generally cost reduction is significantly better than recovery if you'll be hitting a skill every second or two (and you probably should be!)

I am horrid at maths, but here's a hypothetical illustration: suppose there's a skill that costs 3k magicka.

3% cost reduction = 90 magicka saved per cast .
Assuming 1 cast per second, then effectively +180 magicka regen per two-second tick.

9% recovery means you'd need about 2k magicka recovery before applying the regen boost to get that +180 regen per two second tick.

I don't think those numbers are exact (there's other factors in there, like how reductions and regens stack with each other), but it's the general idea. So it can go either way, but 1% cost reduction is almost always much better than 1% regen.

pjwb16_ESO

Angus wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Breton, high elf regen is not needed with siphoning attacks

the way bretons cost reduction is calculated its ***

How does it stack with CPs and enchants?

it basically stacks so that you get effectivly like 1% cost reduction xD the more cost reduction u have in CP system the lower this passive effects gets

Mac10murda

Breton or high elf

Kas

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Breton, high elf regen is not needed with siphoning attacks

the way bretons cost reduction is calculated its ***

This!
On top of that, if you're playing with harness magicka, the spell resist is nice to have, but the regen for altmer might actually big a bigger deal.

That said, there WILL be changes to classes eventually and it's true that the Breton "idea" fits better because it doesn't have the elemental focus. If e.g. cost reduction gets balanced with regeneration passives in general, Breton might be the better choice..... or who knows: Argonians? xD (actually potion effects synergize with NB stuff).

Septimus_Magna

I choose Bosmer because I wanted to have the option to switch between magicka and stamina build.

It might not be the best min-max race for magicka or stamina NBs but its a good race for both.

Currently playing stamina build, might switch it back to magicka once I unlock Proxi Det.

heystreethawk

Bosmer Magicka NB here, rank 32. I think it's a good combo. It's easy to get tunnelvision focusing on your damage pools, and forget about the long game. The way that the gear situation plays out, where pretty much every slot and every enchantment has to go towards your damage or the management of your primary resource, I think it actually makes a lot of sense to use racial passives to compensate for your weak spots. I'm not going to be able to squeeze in stam regen outside of, like, Blood Spawn, so having that extra regen from living in a tree most of my life (the lore is that I got kicked out of Valenwood for eating a spinach leaf, so I had to move to Brooklyn) helps me stay up longer in a fight.

Stealth bonus is a no-brainer. I've never done the math on the poison resistance, but it stands to reason that archers are going to be a weak spot as a magicka NB. You've got plenty of options to mess up people who get into melee range, but not much to survive that initial ranged burst. I don't get one-shot, so I'd have to imagine it helps!

Strider_Roshin

High Elf Vampire. That is all.

Erondil

High Elf>Breton=Bosmer>Khajiit=Dunmer IMO

davey1107

My friend and I just looked at the Breton vs high elf mag NB question. Here's the thing...don't stress. The passives are so similar that you can use the champion point system down the road to add back whatever you gave up.

That said, I think it would cost a high elf slightly more champion points to get to the Breton starting point w magic buffs than vice versa. But this was based on a rough tally, and I could be wrong.

boundsy88

To get the 3% cost reduction from breton passive is worth less than 15 CP compared to just under 30 points into recovery to get the 9% of high elf. u get the breton passive easier through CP with less diminishing returns than putting more into regen to cover the high elfs passive if on a breton.
so it mainly comes down to whether u value the 3k spell resist from breton enough to take that over high elf.

Hyssia

High Elf>Dunmer>Bosmer (imo)

Breton spell resistance is overrated with all the defense in a nightblades kit/passive.

Erondil

High Elf>Bosmer>Breton
Breton reduc cost isnt that good since nightblade spells are overall very cheap and cp wise breton passive is ~10 cp compared to ~30 for altmer. Breton is only better if you plan on going full dmg build with <1.5k regen and no reduc cost glyph. Imo even bosmer is better than breton for solo because the stam regen is really really usefull and 10% more damages while invis gives good burst with cloak/clouding swarm.

SurprisedFour91

Bosmer Master Race

The_Saint

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Rolling a new character - should I go with Breton, High Elf or...?

Just wait for pts and the class changes. Maybe we will see some suprises

Septimus_Magna

For magicka NBs the best racial passive to boost dmg is the 10% dmg bonus while in stealth/invisible.

This makes Bosmer or Khajiit the top picks (only races with those passives).

Khajiit gets (bugged) weapon crit, this is useless for magicka builds.
The 20% health regen and 10% stam regen are useful on magicka builds but the effect will be small.

Bosmer gets 21% stam regen and 3% poison resist, these effects will be reasonably noticeable.

So this makes Bosmer the best race for magicka NBs because you can get the most burst dmg, this burst from stealth will be higher than Altmer of Breton with 10% extra magicka.