Regarding Brian Wheeler's statements on changes to AP in the next patch

Kupoking

so... we gonna crown gankers and 1vXers who never drops a damn siege equipment and gonna use EMP to... do 1vX vids?

Sanct16

Crown wrote: »

@Sanct16 Awesome idea! I've updated the table - please take a look and sanity check my numbers / make sure that's what you meant..

Basically yea. I would also add a column "% difference" (= ([New AP gain]/[Old AP gain]) - 1) to the section "Difference Old to New".

Regarding your Q column the correct formula would be Q5 = 50000/(H5/C5) as you currently use rounded values which leads to inaccuracy.

Morozov

reften wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

One concern that I've heard from many people is that when solo players top the boards (as they certainly will with this change), they have no real incentive to do map control - they'll just continue making 1vX videos as emperor. For all you 1vX video makers (lookin' at you @Sypher ;-) what do you have to say about this?

This is the fatal flaw in the game. The end goal is AP, not map control.

Need incentives for map control. Currently, there are zero. And to me, that ruins the game.

Have to agree with you Reften. the way I see it for casual PVP or the top 1vXers: So if a casual gamer doesn't play enough to ever be Emperor, why would they care about keeps? The only reason for going into PVP is to get AP to buy stuff for them or to resell. A casual PVPer will head to wherever there is fighting...IE: alessia bridge or wherever a zerg is headed. If Im a top 1vXer why would I care about map control? I can't take a keep solo so I'll let the zerg do it. I'll get all the AP I can muster, top the leaderboards and still get Emp without having to take any of the steps to get Emp...besides just killing solo noobs who don't spend all their time Dueling and knowing all the counters for every class/build and don't have the min/maxed gear.

Like you said, all about AP. Why bother dealing with map control at all?

Ernest145

Morozov wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

One concern that I've heard from many people is that when solo players top the boards (as they certainly will with this change), they have no real incentive to do map control - they'll just continue making 1vX videos as emperor. For all you 1vX video makers (lookin' at you @Sypher ;-) what do you have to say about this?

This is the fatal flaw in the game. The end goal is AP, not map control.

Need incentives for map control. Currently, there are zero. And to me, that ruins the game.

Have to agree with you Reften. the way I see it for casual PVP or the top 1vXers: So if a casual gamer doesn't play enough to ever be Emperor, why would they care about keeps? The only reason for going into PVP is to get AP to buy stuff for them or to resell. A casual PVPer will head to wherever there is fighting...IE: alessia bridge or wherever a zerg is headed. If Im a top 1vXer why would I care about map control? I can't take a keep solo so I'll let the zerg do it. I'll get all the AP I can muster, top the leaderboards and still get Emp without having to take any of the steps to get Emp...besides just killing solo noobs who don't spend all their time Dueling and knowing all the counters for every class/build and don't have the min/maxed gear.

Like you said, all about AP. Why bother dealing with map control at all?

Please get rid of that assumption that all solo players just look for bads to 1vx all day to make us feel good. I agree the way you get emp in this game is flawed no disagreements there. Tell me how is a solo player ganking/ 1vxing/ and not caring about map objectives not the same about these big guilds who constantly get emp jumping into a resource tower and spamming aoe's farming pugs who dont know any better?? Are you honestly going to tell me that taking nikel outpost which is not even near your keeps and sitting in it is for the "map objective", no its to just farm ap. Like would you rather the solo player to hop in the zerg and spam aoe's and zerg the emp ring or just night cap the whole thing. That is pretty much how every emp is crowned now, who ever has the biggest zerg or has enough to night cap the ring.

Minno

Ernest145 wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

One concern that I've heard from many people is that when solo players top the boards (as they certainly will with this change), they have no real incentive to do map control - they'll just continue making 1vX videos as emperor. For all you 1vX video makers (lookin' at you @Sypher ;-) what do you have to say about this?

This is the fatal flaw in the game. The end goal is AP, not map control.

Need incentives for map control. Currently, there are zero. And to me, that ruins the game.

Have to agree with you Reften. the way I see it for casual PVP or the top 1vXers: So if a casual gamer doesn't play enough to ever be Emperor, why would they care about keeps? The only reason for going into PVP is to get AP to buy stuff for them or to resell. A casual PVPer will head to wherever there is fighting...IE: alessia bridge or wherever a zerg is headed. If Im a top 1vXer why would I care about map control? I can't take a keep solo so I'll let the zerg do it. I'll get all the AP I can muster, top the leaderboards and still get Emp without having to take any of the steps to get Emp...besides just killing solo noobs who don't spend all their time Dueling and knowing all the counters for every class/build and don't have the min/maxed gear.

Like you said, all about AP. Why bother dealing with map control at all?

Please get rid of that assumption that all solo players just look for bads to 1vx all day to make us feel good. I agree the way you get emp in this game is flawed no disagreements there. Tell me how is a solo player ganking/ 1vxing/ and not caring about map objectives not the same about these big guilds who constantly get emp jumping into a resource tower and spamming aoe's farming pugs who dont know any better?? Are you honestly going to tell me that taking nikel outpost which is not even near your keeps and sitting in it is for the "map objective", no its to just farm ap. Like would you rather the solo player to hop in the zerg and spam aoe's and zerg the emp ring or just night cap the whole thing. That is pretty much how every emp is crowned now, who ever has the biggest zerg or has enough to night cap the ring.

Playstyle preference aside, I think we can all get behind ZOS making the map more substantial for AP gains than kills. It will turn the game's focus from easy mode Call Of Duty deathmatch to actual 3 way faction warfare in a fantasy RPG world. And they can do so without harming the MMO aspect.

Crown

@Sanct16 I corrected the Q column - the round up for number of kills was to remove decimals, and added the column you suggested and one for my subjective opinion with pretty colours :-)

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

This change will kill PvP having one or two Zerg ball at one lets you Trans close and ride to the fight having smaller teams flagging multiple keeps at once a means you will have to ride to one keep save it then ride to the next.

Riding to Kings saving it then Arrius safe again ride to BRK all so you can rejoin the group at sej trans will almost be prema cut off.

Crown

@kendellking_chaosb14_ESO Consider that if all factions have more small groups, then small groups from all factions can attack / defend at the same time. Players won't want to run in zergballs as their AP gains will be too low.

EDIT/Addition: I base the "players won't want to run in zergballs" on the theory that players want to make more AP. Running in zergballs will still be the way to win fights until such time as AoE caps are removed.

Hydrocodone

This is so stupid IMO. People turn the gameplay into a math equation and fun is measured in AP earned. And AP is good for what? A monster helm etc.. Sad! We all know what ruins server performance and You and the other zerg drivers don't care FFS. All you care about is farming AP, It's pathetic. And your lame tower farms where you use your uber skills to farm AP from newbs who don't know better. You sir and people like you suck!

leepalmer95

I know zos is changing this and such but are they going to inform most players about this? Because how many people play the game compare to how many actually read this forum? I doubt this will change anything especially on console simply because most will won't even know about the change.

Minno

Hydrocodone wrote: »

This is so stupid IMO. People turn the gameplay into a math equation and fun is measured in AP earned. And AP is good for what? A monster helm etc.. Sad! We all know what ruins server performance and You and the other zerg drivers don't care FFS. All you care about is farming AP, It's pathetic. And your lame tower farms where you use your uber skills to farm AP from newbs who don't know better. You sir and people like you suck!

AP is a pvpers only currency.
Back in the day, you didn't receive much of an reward when playing only PVP (as many folks only want to do.)

So now AP has a tradable currency, which despite being obsolete post IC, made people PVP.

The post here, though in debatable phase, is trying to fairly place how much AP is worth per group style. An effort not easy to do, solo player or large format player.

Ease up and enjoy @Crown and his commitment to at least get a factual spreadsheet going.

Hydrocodone

I stand by what I wrote. Stupid is as stupid does! I play the game so I can watch green numbers scroll by, the faster they go by and the larger the numbers, the faster my fun meter fills lololol! And I don't give a rats azz about all the other people playing the game.

The big problem is the few dictate gameplay for the many others who want to enjoy the game. Me Me Me!

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Crown wrote: »

@kendellking_chaosb14_ESO Consider that if all factions have more small groups, then small groups from all factions can attack / defend at the same time. Players won't want to run in zergballs as their AP gains will be too low.

EDIT/Addition: I base the "players won't want to run in zergballs" on the theory that players want to make more AP. Running in zergballs will still be the way to win fights until such time as AoE caps are removed.

I know that the Zerging will stop but flagging all the keeps at once may be the new thing as groups are forced to travel pass keeps cause too many players are there killing the AP flow.

Groups have done this before for scroll runs turning PvP into the Nature Walk with a high chance of death.

Horse Simulator is not what I paid for.

Crown

@kendellking_chaosb14_ESO It really depends on the players' motivations. I don't believe that the zerging will stop just because players will make less AP if they do so, though the players who do care about AP will try to run smaller groups. If AoE caps are removed, then there's incentive to do so. if AoE caps stay as they are, then it won't really matter and the small groups who can actually find opponents to kill (tough enough to find as it is) will reap the rewards.

@Hydrocodone I'm just curious why you seem to have fixated on hating me and blaming me for everything that you don't like in the game.. It doesn't make any difference to me, though I am rather curious if you're another mindless *** who has decided that since I'm a rather prominent / well-known player on the AD side that I'm an easy person to blame, or if you actually have justification for thinking like a 6 year old who has been denied his candy..

EDIT: Apparently *** is a prohibited word. The description for those who are curious as to the word I chose to use to describe @Hydrocodone is one whose rear end is used as one's own hat.

Crown

Hydrocodone wrote: »

This is so stupid IMO. People turn the gameplay into a math equation and fun is measured in AP earned. And AP is good for what? A monster helm etc.. Sad! We all know what ruins server performance and You and the other zerg drivers don't care FFS. All you care about is farming AP, It's pathetic. And your lame tower farms where you use your uber skills to farm AP from newbs who don't know better. You sir and people like you suck!

In your first paragraph, you decry the farming of AP as useless and pathetic.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

I stand by what I wrote. Stupid is as stupid does! I play the game so I can watch green numbers scroll by, the faster they go by and the larger the numbers, the faster my fun meter fills lololol!

In your second paragraph, you state that the more AP you make, the more fun you have.

You are a hypocrite - plain and simple.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

And I don't give a rats azz about all the other people playing the game. The big problem is the few dictate gameplay for the many others who want to enjoy the game. Me Me Me!

That is where we are different. You may be a selfish self centered *** who doesn't care about others, though I try to figure out the numbers and math behind the game so as to better enable people to achieve their goals and to help make this game better by giving constructive and intelligent commentary to the people who work for ZOS.

I dare to say that it's selfish *** like you who ruin the game for others. You should ask around how many people I've taught and how much time I spend helping others learn how to play, how to make AP, and how to defeat their opponents - in all three factions. I sincerely doubt that you'll find more than a handful who have actually spoken with me who share your delusions.

This is a game - too many people treat it as an extension of their real lives.

Atzel

Main problem is High Latency ( lag ).
What causes it ? Big raids aka Pain Trains
If you can't fix the server performance , then fix the people stacking on each other that make it , even if that means nerfing them to the ground. The hell with it i wont give even 1 AP for someone that needs 23 more friends to kill 1 guy.

AP is main motivation for most of the player base , hit them good there and see how they will spread...

Hydrocodone

Oh so sorry your so fixated on AP you can't detect sarcasm lol. My problem with you and people like you is you don't care about the player base as a whole because your so damn selfish. I've stated before I have no problem with large group play only Zerging. What is a zerg? well it's the same as a pawn in chess or a bum rush etc..

These Zerg drivers are only concerned with how much AP they can leech off the other people in their zerg and the newbs they can tower farm. My problem with you is your attitude IMO is unhealthy for the well being of the game. You know how AOE works and all the checks involved and how that creates lag so that's how you play. Your a big part of the problem IMO and make it even worse.

No, I don't like you or people like you because your attitude sucks. Me Me Me! And who cares what the vast majority think

Morozov

Hydrocodone wrote: »

This is so stupid IMO. People turn the gameplay into a math equation and fun is measured in AP earned. And AP is good for what? A monster helm etc.. Sad! We all know what ruins server performance and You and the other zerg drivers don't care FFS. All you care about is farming AP, It's pathetic. And your lame tower farms where you use your uber skills to farm AP from newbs who don't know better. You sir and people like you suck!

gotta be honest, this isn't a well thought out statement. MMO's are based around numbers...RNG for item drops = math equation....mitigation percentages for tanks = math equation.....min/maxing for top-end DPS = spreadsheets and math equations...AP earned per player per kill per bonus modifiers = math equation. Players didn't build the game the Dev's did. If you're anger lies with poor server performance then place it with them. The PVP in this game was advertised as massive battles on grand scale, playing in large groups on your faction. Why are we upset that people are playing in that fashion?

Some people will play the game mechanics better than others, so why get mad at that? Upset about a tower farm? don't run into a bottleneck and potato on in there....siege down a tower to reduce the chokepoint. Meatbag the hell out of that group and break them up.

I smell L2P issue

Crown

Hydrocodone wrote: »

My problem with you and people like you is you don't care about the player base as a whole because your so damn selfish.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

My problem with you is your attitude IMO is unhealthy for the well being of the game. You know how AOE works and all the checks involved and how that creates lag so that's how you play. Your a big part of the problem IMO and make it even worse.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

No, I don't like you or people like you because your attitude sucks. Me Me Me! And who cares what the vast majority think

You obviously don't know me.
You obviously don't know that I spend a lot of time teaching new people, answering questions, writing guides / instructions for new players, and mentoring new players that show promise.
You obviously don' t know that I spend 2/3 of my time playing solo or in groups of 2-4.
You are obviously not worth my time to debate with, as your mind is made up that I am the most terrible and evil cause of all that is bad in the game.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

These Zerg drivers are only concerned with how much AP they can leech off the other people in their zerg and the newbs they can tower farm.

I understand now. You and your friends were tower farmed once. You saw a large group of AD go into a tower, and you were stupid enough to follow them in. There's was nobody like me on your side yelling at the randoms/pugs, "Don't go in! Wait for an organized group to clear them out, or don't even bother! All they want is to kill you, so don't give them the AP and they'll get bored and come out! Don't take the flag and siege down the tower!".

You and your friends went into the tower. You were stupid, you thought you could kill them, but they were much better players than you were, and you died a horrible screaming death. now you have flashbacks at randoms times. You can't walk down the street without PTSD moments seeing great big red circles of opponent proxy detonation around any mass of people. You tend to stay away from public places, holed up in your basement where the evil AD players can't get you. It affected your mental state. You can't close your eyes without seeing the graphic images of all of your friends dying swiftly to steel tornadoes, bats, oils, and proxies.

You're one of those people who think that I lead all of AD, that a zerg doesn't start in any campaign at any time without my telepathic zerg powers controlling it, guiding it, sending it to wherever you are. I am the King of Blades (StarCraft Zerg reference for those who don't know). It's the #CrownZerg and it's coming for you. It will find you. Its nightblades will spambush you so that you can't get away. Your latency will climb into the nine hundreds, maybe even the thousands, and you won't be able to do anything about it. You'll watch as the proxy dets move closer and closer to you. You'll be stuck, sitting on your computer chair, as your life slowly trickles away, screaming at your screen, "I hate you Crown! This is all your fault!". You'll look up from being dead on the floor, hoping that the angels of heaven have come to take your soul and your hopes and dreams will die as you see me in all my glory /dancedrunk on your body. Whether it's me or not, it's my name you will see, and the hate will fester and grow within you. Let the hate grow. Let it consume you, until there is nothing left of yourself and you join a mindless zerg in the hopes of one day being able to defeat the #CrownZerg. You won't, but it will be the last vestige of hope that remains and allows you to continue with your day to day life.

Minno

Crown wrote: »

Hydrocodone wrote: »

My problem with you and people like you is you don't care about the player base as a whole because your so damn selfish.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

My problem with you is your attitude IMO is unhealthy for the well being of the game. You know how AOE works and all the checks involved and how that creates lag so that's how you play. Your a big part of the problem IMO and make it even worse.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

No, I don't like you or people like you because your attitude sucks. Me Me Me! And who cares what the vast majority think

You obviously don't know me.
You obviously don't know that I spend a lot of time teaching new people, answering questions, writing guides / instructions for new players, and mentoring new players that show promise.
You obviously don' t know that I spend 2/3 of my time playing solo or in groups of 2-4.
You are obviously not worth my time to debate with, as your mind is made up that I am the most terrible and evil cause of all that is bad in the game.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

These Zerg drivers are only concerned with how much AP they can leech off the other people in their zerg and the newbs they can tower farm.

I understand now. You and your friends were tower farmed once. You saw a large group of AD go into a tower, and you were stupid enough to follow them in. There's was nobody like me on your side yelling at the randoms/pugs, "Don't go in! Wait for an organized group to clear them out, or don't even bother! All they want is to kill you, so don't give them the AP and they'll get bored and come out! Don't take the flag and siege down the tower!".

You and your friends took the tower. You were stupid, you thought you could kill them, but they were much better players than you were, and you died a horrible screaming death. now you have flashbacks at randoms times. You can't walk down the street without PTSD moments seeing great big red circles of opponent proxy detonation around any mass of people. You tend to stay away from public places, holed up in your basement where the evil AD players can't get you. It affected your mental state. You can't close your eyes without seeing the graphic images of all of your friends dying swiftly to steel tornadoes, bats, oils, and proxies.

You're one of those people who think that I lead all of AD, that a zerg doesn't start in any campaign at any time without my telepathic zerg powers controlling it, guiding it, sending it to wherever you are. I am the King of Blades (StarCraft Zerg reference for those who don't know). It's the #CrownZerg and it's coming for you. It will find you. Its nightblades will spambush you so that you can't get away. Your latency will climb into the nine hundreds, maybe even the thousands, and you won't be able to do anything about it. You'll watch as the proxy dets move closer and closer to you. You'll be stuck, sitting on your computer chair, as your life slowly trickles away, screaming at your screen, "I hate you Crown! This is all your fault!". You'll look up from being dead on the floor, hoping that the angels of heaven have come to take your soul and your hopes and dreams will die as you see me in all my glory /dancedrunk on your body. Whether it's me or not, it's my name you will see, and the hate will fester and grow within you. Let the hate grow. Let it consume you, until there is nothing left of yourself and you join a mindless zerg in the hopes of one day being able to defeat the #CrownZerg. You won't, but it will be the last vestige of hope that remains and allows you to continue with your day to day life.

I read this in Muhammad Ali's voice lol

Hydrocodone

Lets be real clear here as this will be my last post on the matter. The people that run in the towers to get farmed are newer players that don't understand it's a set up and they have no chance. So these leet zerg guilds tactics are to create situations where they can farm neophytes. Then they make equations with the sole purpose of justifying the way they play the game.

If you want to run full raids great! I love huge battles. But when you start zerging down solo players and smaller groups that is pathetic. Because all the AOE that's being spamed and all the checks being made create lag to the point you cant get out of the way or use skills. That creates problems for everybody not in your bum rush. Now we have threads that explain how proper this is cause math or tactics?

With all the new players coming in and old ones returning to see the state of the game this Zerging creates Lag which effects gameplay. If peoples fun meters aren't filling up they wont return. So there will be little PvP. Just ganks, trolls and bum rushes.Some of you may find more enjoyment in a math sim. Something like Typing of the Dead but with math equations.

I log in for good battles in whatever form they take. As long as I can use my skills and feel like I have a chance then my fun meter fills up win or lose.

Crown

Minno wrote: »

I read this in Muhammad Ali's voice lol

We need someone with an amazing sith lord style style voice to read and record it!

Ghostbane

Crown wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

I read this in Muhammad Ali's voice lol

We need someone with an amazing sith lord style style voice to read and record it!

Minno

Crown wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

I read this in Muhammad Ali's voice lol

We need someone with an amazing sith lord style style voice to read and record it!

Darnathian

Hydrocodone wrote: »

Oh so sorry your so fixated on AP you can't detect sarcasm lol. My problem with you and people like you is you don't care about the player base as a whole because your so damn selfish. I've stated before I have no problem with large group play only Zerging. What is a zerg? well it's the same as a pawn in chess or a bum rush etc..

These Zerg drivers are only concerned with how much AP they can leech off the other people in their zerg and the newbs they can tower farm. My problem with you is your attitude IMO is unhealthy for the well being of the game. You know how AOE works and all the checks involved and how that creates lag so that's how you play. Your a big part of the problem IMO and make it even worse.

No, I don't like you or people like you because your attitude sucks. Me Me Me! And who cares what the vast majority think

are you kidding? listen to yourself. there is one person with a attitude problem here. and i can tell you its not Crown.

Crown dont mnow and dont care who this toddler is. ignore him

Lylith

Minno wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Hydrocodone wrote: »

My problem with you and people like you is you don't care about the player base as a whole because your so damn selfish.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

My problem with you is your attitude IMO is unhealthy for the well being of the game. You know how AOE works and all the checks involved and how that creates lag so that's how you play. Your a big part of the problem IMO and make it even worse.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

No, I don't like you or people like you because your attitude sucks. Me Me Me! And who cares what the vast majority think

You obviously don't know me.
You obviously don't know that I spend a lot of time teaching new people, answering questions, writing guides / instructions for new players, and mentoring new players that show promise.
You obviously don' t know that I spend 2/3 of my time playing solo or in groups of 2-4.
You are obviously not worth my time to debate with, as your mind is made up that I am the most terrible and evil cause of all that is bad in the game.

Hydrocodone wrote: »

These Zerg drivers are only concerned with how much AP they can leech off the other people in their zerg and the newbs they can tower farm.

I understand now. You and your friends were tower farmed once. You saw a large group of AD go into a tower, and you were stupid enough to follow them in. There's was nobody like me on your side yelling at the randoms/pugs, "Don't go in! Wait for an organized group to clear them out, or don't even bother! All they want is to kill you, so don't give them the AP and they'll get bored and come out! Don't take the flag and siege down the tower!".

You and your friends took the tower. You were stupid, you thought you could kill them, but they were much better players than you were, and you died a horrible screaming death. now you have flashbacks at randoms times. You can't walk down the street without PTSD moments seeing great big red circles of opponent proxy detonation around any mass of people. You tend to stay away from public places, holed up in your basement where the evil AD players can't get you. It affected your mental state. You can't close your eyes without seeing the graphic images of all of your friends dying swiftly to steel tornadoes, bats, oils, and proxies.

You're one of those people who think that I lead all of AD, that a zerg doesn't start in any campaign at any time without my telepathic zerg powers controlling it, guiding it, sending it to wherever you are. I am the King of Blades (StarCraft Zerg reference for those who don't know). It's the #CrownZerg and it's coming for you. It will find you. Its nightblades will spambush you so that you can't get away. Your latency will climb into the nine hundreds, maybe even the thousands, and you won't be able to do anything about it. You'll watch as the proxy dets move closer and closer to you. You'll be stuck, sitting on your computer chair, as your life slowly trickles away, screaming at your screen, "I hate you Crown! This is all your fault!". You'll look up from being dead on the floor, hoping that the angels of heaven have come to take your soul and your hopes and dreams will die as you see me in all my glory /dancedrunk on your body. Whether it's me or not, it's my name you will see, and the hate will fester and grow within you. Let the hate grow. Let it consume you, until there is nothing left of yourself and you join a mindless zerg in the hopes of one day being able to defeat the #CrownZerg. You won't, but it will be the last vestige of hope that remains and allows you to continue with your day to day life.

I read this in Muhammad Ali's voice lol

cassius? he's not nearly so 'eloquent' these days.

AshTal

I like the idea of anything that reduces the zerg running around spamming steel tornado and bat swarm. I don't think this will really effect this much but it might help. I also think they should introduce a catch up in AP where a corporal would get far more points for killing a warlord than the warlord would get for killing a corporal. We all know it often takes 4 or 5 people to kill one of these ubers where if we see a private on a siege weapon he can be killed in seconds before he even thinks to fight back but both worth the same in ap

Crown

AshTal wrote: »

a corporal would get far more points for killing a warlord than the warlord would get for killing a corporal. We all know it often takes 4 or 5 people to kill one of these ubers where if we see a private on a siege weapon he can be killed in seconds before he even thinks to fight back but both worth the same in ap

I like that idea. It used to be that when you killed a high ranked player you would get slightly more AP (or at least we believed such). About a month ago while testing AP gains that didn't seem to be the case. It's possible we were mistaken back then (a year ago was the last time we discussed it), though they may have also changed things. @ZOS_BrianWheeler would be able to confirm.

It shouldn't be a huge modifier, something perhaps along the lines of a 10% bonus to AP for deaths of a Grand Overlord (PvP rank 50), scaling down to no bonus for someone at PvP rank 10. The differential between killer and killee wouldn't work, as groups can have people of greatly varied ranks - unless the average of them all were used (though I believe that the extra math / calculations wouldn't be good for server performance).