Remove shield breaker, make DoTs bypass shields

Docmandu

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

ToRelax

Yeah... if they remove the Surge cooldown, so I can actually get reliable heling with DoTs and Crushing Shock.

Docmandu

For magicka based toons... reliable healing is available from resto staff already

ToRelax

Docmandu wrote: »

For magicka based toons... reliable healing is available from resto staff already

I want Surge to be as customizable again as it was before all the patches that were supposed to give us more customization and inidvidualization options. It was really cool having a skill that works as buff for staff skills and heals you for damage done, depending on max magicka, spell damage and crit chance.

OdinForge

I like the idea of this, Wrobel doesn't know what DoTs are though.

Wollust

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Docmandu

Wollust wrote: »

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Every class has access to DoT's... Dual Wield has DoTs, 2H has a DoT, Destro staff has a DoT, ...

And yes, DoTs can be purged, so there is a counter to it, which imho ain't a bad thing (2 of the classes have a cheap DoT removal though.. so that might make it somewhat unbalanced)

Scyantific

Docmandu wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Every class has access to DoT's... Dual Wield has DoTs, 2H has a DoT, Destro staff has a DoT, ...

And yes, DoTs can be purged, so there is a counter to it, which imho ain't a bad thing (2 of the classes have a cheap DoT removal though.. so that might make it somewhat unbalanced)

Simple, put DoT removal on cooldown except for Purge.

Docmandu

Scyantific wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Every class has access to DoT's... Dual Wield has DoTs, 2H has a DoT, Destro staff has a DoT, ...

And yes, DoTs can be purged, so there is a counter to it, which imho ain't a bad thing (2 of the classes have a cheap DoT removal though.. so that might make it somewhat unbalanced)

Simple, put DoT removal on cooldown except for Purge.

Cooldowns don't belong in this game!

Derra

Scyantific wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Every class has access to DoT's... Dual Wield has DoTs, 2H has a DoT, Destro staff has a DoT, ...

And yes, DoTs can be purged, so there is a counter to it, which imho ain't a bad thing (2 of the classes have a cheap DoT removal though.. so that might make it somewhat unbalanced)

Simple, put DoT removal on cooldown except for Purge.

Inb4 forumblades raiding this topic.


Dot´s through shields is a stupid concept. A classshield is the main defense of one of the classes. You can´t make a coreskill absolutely useless when the class has no alternatives to using said skill.

Balance harness magica (no stackystackstack),rework healing ward and be done with this whole discussion about shields.

usmcjdking

Physical DOTs (aka bleeds) should go through shields.

Forestd16b14_ESO

It case players still haven't notice ZOS tends to take the more complicated and frustrating route instead of the smarter easier one such as the shield issue. All they had to do was remove shield stacking from the game that's all but no ZOS went the more complicated route as they have been since day 1 by adding in a entirely new armor set into the game that is causing butthurt among the shield users and forcing some players to buy they set just to kill 1 guy abusing a broken mechanic.

Runkorko

Docmandu wrote: »

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

dots are dispelable and you need to be mele range to aply them ... " would make DKs kind of scary" rly ?!

coolermh

I would rather see them leave shields the same but then but make shields have a casting time and be interuptable . A shield is something a mage would cast on oneself before going into battle not continuously spam to stay alive in the middle of a fight.

Bashev

coolermh wrote: »

I would rather see them leave shields the same but then but make shields have a casting time and be interuptable . A shield is something a mage would cast on oneself before going into battle not continuously spam to stay alive in the middle of a fight.

yes, this one!

Wollust

I think it would be help if it wasn't possible to have multiple shields on. Just make it the way that you can only ever have one shield active. When you cast a different shield than the one you have, the stronger one is gonna take the shield place. Just to make sure dks cant screw over their sorcmates defense by accident.
That would help a lot already imo.

Armitas

It's a good thought but it won't help DK's much. They will mitigate it 3 ways, spell mitigation from CP, Elemental mitigation from CP, and dot mitigation from CP. It might actually do more on the shield where it's unmitigated.

Master_Kas

Docmandu wrote: »

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

Rather make shields critable

Cody

Derra wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Every class has access to DoT's... Dual Wield has DoTs, 2H has a DoT, Destro staff has a DoT, ...

And yes, DoTs can be purged, so there is a counter to it, which imho ain't a bad thing (2 of the classes have a cheap DoT removal though.. so that might make it somewhat unbalanced)

Simple, put DoT removal on cooldown except for Purge.

Inb4 forumblades raiding this topic.


Dot´s through shields is a stupid concept. A classshield is the main defense of one of the classes. You can´t make a coreskill absolutely useless when the class has no alternatives to using said skill.

Balance harness magica (no stackystackstack),rework healing ward and be done with this whole discussion about shields.

next month it will be forumsorcs or some crap like that. lol. what an interesting name.

anyway, I support something like this. If someone can stack shields up to a 2nd health bar, there should be better ways to counter it other than roll a WB spam build or use some lame armor set.

Cody

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

Rather make shields critable

i think they are critable now unless im misinformed

Master_Kas

Cody wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

Rather make shields critable

i think they are critable now unless im misinformed

They are not. ZOS thought about doing this but never did ^^

Cody

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

Rather make shields critable

i think they are critable now unless im misinformed

They are not. ZOS thought about doing this but never did ^^

I swear someone said they were critiable.... if not, then why not?? Players can already get a 2nd health bar with the dang things, the least that could be done is make them critable

Docmandu

Cody wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wouldn't that be something worth considering... although that would make DKs kind of scary

Rather make shields critable

i think they are critable now unless im misinformed

You are misinformed... they planned to try it out on PTS during IC, but too much noise from the forum made them rethink that idea and it was never even tried.

zornyan

Make shields a major/minor system, stop them scaling so ridiculously high, and make them crittable, actually I'm sure bleeds don't work on shields either.

Literally just implementing these simple changes would fix the issues.

Erondil

Major problem here is zos doesnt know what a dot is... Do you really want radiant destruction, curse, bitting jabs or even soul assault to bypass shields?

Docmandu

Erondil wrote: »

Major problem here is zos doesnt know what a dot is... Do you really want radiant destruction, curse, bitting jabs or even soul assault to bypass shields?

Yeah that would be a problem for sure.. it's indeed funny what is all considered a DoT in this game.

Derra

Cody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Imagine how those sorcs will melt inside the wall of elements.

No but seriously, most classes don't have access to DoTs, so it wouldn't be really fair. Well, shieldbreaker itself is not really fair, considering how only stam users can use it.

Good for my DK though. But then again.. DoTs can be purged so meh.

Every class has access to DoT's... Dual Wield has DoTs, 2H has a DoT, Destro staff has a DoT, ...

And yes, DoTs can be purged, so there is a counter to it, which imho ain't a bad thing (2 of the classes have a cheap DoT removal though.. so that might make it somewhat unbalanced)

Simple, put DoT removal on cooldown except for Purge.

Inb4 forumblades raiding this topic.


Dot´s through shields is a stupid concept. A classshield is the main defense of one of the classes. You can´t make a coreskill absolutely useless when the class has no alternatives to using said skill.

Balance harness magica (no stackystackstack),rework healing ward and be done with this whole discussion about shields.

next month it will be forumsorcs or some crap like that. lol. what an interesting name.

anyway, I support something like this. If someone can stack shields up to a 2nd health bar, there should be better ways to counter it other than roll a WB spam build or use some lame armor set.

What about the things i´m writing is so hard to understand. STACKING shields is a problem. Mainly for magica builds though. Still there are sorcs only using one shield. They can under no circumstance cover their entire healthbar with a shield. It´s their only working class defensive skill. They need to work on the skills that complement the sorc shield so well not the sorcshield itself bc if you happen to fight a sorc only using one shield you might notice that´s actually somewhat balanced.

I´m all for removing shieldstacking alltogether (rework harnes and healingward in the process). I could live with shields being critable (give me a physical dmg reduction passive for the CP tree along with it).

But saying certain skills bypass a classes only defense is stupid.

Lokey0024

Nullify critical strikes, completely. only have to put points into bastion to make a "spammable instant heal" work strongly against most players, with no investment of champion points in any kind of self heal buff or heal ability for that matter.

Its funny because the game is changing to become more challenging and people cant cope with it.

Forestd16b14_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Make shields a major/minor system, stop them scaling so ridiculously high, and make them crittable, actually I'm sure bleeds don't work on shields either.

Literally just implementing these simple changes would fix the issues.

And again as I said ZOS prefers to take the more complicated and frustrating route instead of the easier simpler and smarter route.

zornyan

Agreed, hopefully with the fact that big changes are coming next year I do have high hopes, they seem to be listening lately, and heading in the right direction.

It'll be a much easier change for them to make imo, maybe with the idea of reworking what are classed as dots. As currently sweeps for instance is, where as that's merely a 4 hit melee skill.

Solariken

Shield Breaker is sort of irrelevant. I think this is an awesome idea regardless. Shields should be a little more nuanced than they are now. They should be designed with trade-offs.

You should be able to use them to mitigate burst damage, but DoTs should still eat away your health. They are already immune to critical strikes, which is pretty cool and interesting, but the DoT vulnerability would balance them out a little more.

Perhaps the overall shield strength could boosted a touch to compensate.

Kudos on the great idea, OP.