Waffennacht wrote: »Interesting, for myself, I only ran into one stam sorc and that b4 the update.
I've just noticed almost every sorc i run into, is that exact same build. It may just be that my association with the majority of sorcs builds is from deltia because I saw that move line up there first.
After reading what you said, it just could be that the only true viable sorc DPS builds have such few move choices that they are all very similar.
I haven't ran into a sorc pet build in months.
I would also say templar and DKs seem to be the most diverse classes I run into. NBs are harder for me to tell, as visually there are few clues to what move they are using.
So do you guys think that its the internet build or more the lack of viable options?
Waffennacht wrote: »Interesting, for myself, I only ran into one stam sorc and that b4 the update.
I've just noticed almost every sorc i run into, is that exact same build. It may just be that my association with the majority of sorcs builds is from deltia because I saw that move line up there first.
After reading what you said, it just could be that the only true viable sorc DPS builds have such few move choices that they are all very similar.
I haven't ran into a sorc pet build in months.
I would also say templar and DKs seem to be the most diverse classes I run into. NBs are harder for me to tell, as visually there are few clues to what move they are using.
So do you guys think that its the internet build or more the lack of viable options?
Like the army of Sypher's stam NB you mean?
Now I see like half the Sorcs running with 2 hand and dualwield and they're still as squishy as it sounds. They don't deal more damage or survive better than any other class.
Waffennacht wrote: »Reading your post, I really like it, interesting point on inner light. I'm curious, are you a fan of bound armor?
I would like to get your opinions as you seemed to have thought this out well.
I first tried a max ed out magicka dps build, I thought that my current crit build was performing better (though the resource difference was extremely noticeable)
Though this is a great example of my original post. Even though I'm clearly being influenced by what I'm learning here, I'm not about to just copy your build and start playing. I'm going to consider what you say, see if I can implement changes that I feel are synergistic. Thank you
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Here's why people use cookie cutter builds :
Variant :
Elite group (or think they are) :
- LF1M Daily gold
Player :
- you can group me
Elite group (or think they are) :
- You play with pets ?
Player :
- yeah, that's my build...
Elite group (or think they are) :
- Please leave group
.
I'm pretty sure there's a cookie cutter for Pet builds somewhere...
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »/drinks
And the biggest iron-E is when players come onto the forums and complain how ESO doesn't follow TES motto of "play your way". Now players can play how they want use what they want. It's that "you" are using some one else build not your own.
Cookie cutter builds are another reason why ESO is going now where kinda hard to balance stuff right when half the people in this game use some META build from one of those nameless "streamers" nobody cares for making it look like that entire class is OP when in reality there just abusing the tiniest bug, broken mechanic, broken skill, and exploiting it all to ZOS realm of oblivion and nerfing the entire class. Then the nameless "Streamers" just make a new META build and every one just uses that and so on till its a endless loop of stupidity.
Want the game to start moving in the right direction ? Be original and use your own build.
Waffennacht wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »/drinks
And the biggest iron-E is when players come onto the forums and complain how ESO doesn't follow TES motto of "play your way". Now players can play how they want use what they want. It's that "you" are using some one else build not your own.
Cookie cutter builds are another reason why ESO is going now where kinda hard to balance stuff right when half the people in this game use some META build from one of those nameless "streamers" nobody cares for making it look like that entire class is OP when in reality there just abusing the tiniest bug, broken mechanic, broken skill, and exploiting it all to ZOS realm of oblivion and nerfing the entire class. Then the nameless "Streamers" just make a new META build and every one just uses that and so on till its a endless loop of stupidity.
Want the game to start moving in the right direction ? Be original and use your own build.
I'm trying! Lol, actually for me, I find abilities and moves that just don't work for me in most cookies.
Great example is healing ward, I see other players use it and use ir effectively. My playstyle just doesn't mesh with it. Same with shield stacking. On the console, because the weapon swap removes the thumb from the controller there is a split second of tme loss, in a heavy combay situation that can mean death, therefore I run wards on each bar but no more than one. Making healing ward just not strong enough (let alone actually heal me)
I've gone to combat prayer, a spam, a good heal, and 8% damage. I really like shattering prison against mobs but it's effectiveness (especially higher levels) against players is very limited so it's probably gonna get switched.
If only the soul trap line wasn't so weak, I keep trying to find the next webs.
There is one consideration, for console players especially, our PvP not to mention undaunted skill lines can be pretty low. (As I am almost entirely 1v1 or 1v2 PvP its extremely long time going)
I completely understand using an internet idea or build and then changing or learning for yourself. What I am seeing is a few players ONLY going with that build. I even have a guildmate (because of NB WB internet builds) has decided to copy such a build, of course I gave him grief over it.
Waffennacht wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »/drinks
And the biggest iron-E is when players come onto the forums and complain how ESO doesn't follow TES motto of "play your way". Now players can play how they want use what they want. It's that "you" are using some one else build not your own.
Cookie cutter builds are another reason why ESO is going now where kinda hard to balance stuff right when half the people in this game use some META build from one of those nameless "streamers" nobody cares for making it look like that entire class is OP when in reality there just abusing the tiniest bug, broken mechanic, broken skill, and exploiting it all to ZOS realm of oblivion and nerfing the entire class. Then the nameless "Streamers" just make a new META build and every one just uses that and so on till its a endless loop of stupidity.
Want the game to start moving in the right direction ? Be original and use your own build.
I'm trying! Lol, actually for me, I find abilities and moves that just don't work for me in most cookies.
Great example is healing ward, I see other players use it and use ir effectively. My playstyle just doesn't mesh with it. Same with shield stacking. On the console, because the weapon swap removes the thumb from the controller there is a split second of tme loss, in a heavy combay situation that can mean death, therefore I run wards on each bar but no more than one. Making healing ward just not strong enough (let alone actually heal me)
I've gone to combat prayer, a spam, a good heal, and 8% damage. I really like shattering prison against mobs but it's effectiveness (especially higher levels) against players is very limited so it's probably gonna get switched.
If only the soul trap line wasn't so weak, I keep trying to find the next webs.
There is one consideration, for console players especially, our PvP not to mention undaunted skill lines can be pretty low. (As I am almost entirely 1v1 or 1v2 PvP its extremely long time going)
I completely understand using an internet idea or build and then changing or learning for yourself. What I am seeing is a few players ONLY going with that build. I even have a guildmate (because of NB WB internet builds) has decided to copy such a build, of course I gave him grief over it.
Waffennacht wrote: »Oh I've faced you before. Sure you had a different name, in a different place, at a different time.
Of course you don't know me, but oh how I know you. I have defeated you, and you, I.
I speak of the internet build. Usually from deltia's build. Sorc is the most recognizable for me. The use of mines after streak dispite my range and lack of effectiveness usually tells me they are not entirely sure of what they are doing.
The build is good, don't get me wrong. I just find it sad that people, just like in mtg, just go online and copy a build. Been there myself when I was 14, so I understand. What I do now, is get ideas from the web, test out combinations, fine tune to my playstyle.
For tangling webs is a perfect example. Read a few threads about its use, liked whatvI saw, tested it out, and after a long while found a nice spot for it to hang out in. I didn't just copy the build, didn't even have the same style, but I did learn and adapt.
Anyone else notice these little buggers? Anyone have any suggestions or thoughts about the high amount of cookie cutter builds out there (though sorcs are a but more understandable, our actual attacks are so few in number we really can't come up with a new line) any new cookies out there? Whatcha think?