What gear are magicka dks using for solo/small group pvp.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

I'm running 4 elf bane 5 magnus and 3 willpower. I would like to swap out the last peice magnus for molag kena shoulders but haven't been that lucky. Reduced magicka cost on ring enchants and magicka recovery on necklace. Max magicka enchants on all armor. Using sword and board on main bar and restoration staff on back bar. Bars are setup like I imagine most magicka dk are using.
1 burning embers 2 invasion 3 reflective scales/defensive posture 4 talons 5 flame lash
On back bar 1 blessing of restoration 2 petrify 3 igneous shield 4 hardened armor 5 entropy/ efficient purge/ elusive mist depending on what I'm doing.
I know dk are in a tuff spot this patch so was just wondering what others are using that like solo pvp.

Armitas

I'm basically doing the same thing conceptually only with a monster set instead of elfbane. I'm quite pleased with it. I use chains for my gap closer though so I can save all my stam for block or break free. I'm also using spell pots instead of entropy. I can't use a cc with chains so I have draw essence in that slot. I'm still trying to fine tune it for more damage but its a solid concept that sits on the survival side with plenty of sustain. With proper maintenance you can survive greatly outnumbered for quite a while or troll an entire resource with enemy players on it.

I know everyone hates chains cause it bugs out and kills your cc but its a ranged interrupt and it allows you to ignore all roots.

Joy_Division

Magicka DKs are playing their NBs and sorcs alts, classes which the only gear consideration is "How much spellpower can I stack?"

If you run your magicka DK solo, you are going to get Rekt because the meta places too much emphasis on mobility / escape and burst damage. You can run around in that heavy set-up and being annoying to kill, but you no longer have the class skills to complement that and you do not have the sustain or the damage that you're more nimble opponents (who have tanking tools in their kit) possess. I would not blow any vr16 mats until Orsinium comes out. And even then, it will be months until they start reevaluating class balance.

Just play Fallout 4 until ZoS gets their act together.

Jjitsuboy98

Right now I'm doing VR 15 four piece 2 sword 2 heavyMagnus. 5 piece Light VR 14 Martial Knowledge. 3 Piece Willpower. Resto staff on the back bar. Front bar is Dualwield Flamelash, Choking Talons, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Draw Essence. Back bar is Volatile Armor, Rapid Regeneraton, Structured Entropy, Dragon Fire Scales, and Blessing of Restoration.

Only have about 100 CPs, didnt start playing until a few months ago. Thinking about going back to Vampire for the recovery and Bats. Id like to swap out martial knowledge for kagrenacs if i can get someone to craft it for me. I have thought about 5 piece Phoenix as well but I dont know if it would be good or not. Anyhow what do you think? I tried the heavy armor but the damage just wasnt there as flame lash is very weak.

puffy99

Pretty much have to run in somewhat with a group although talons can make it much more difficult for your opponent(s).
Phoenix Armor does give you a backup life but again only in a group but in IC it has saved my butt quite a few times. (bugged in group dungeons)

I typically make sure IGN Shields is up, dragons leap, hit talons, embers, backroll, flame lash, rinse and repeat. Radiant magelight up on both bars.

Shift to restro and combat prayer if no healer around or get ready to backroll until leap is up again.

blessing of restoration better?

1Grumpy_dunmer1

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

I'm running 4 elf bane 5 magnus and 3 willpower. I would like to swap out the last peice magnus for molag kena shoulders but haven't been that lucky. Reduced magicka cost on ring enchants and magicka

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Right now I'm doing VR 15 four piece 2 sword 2 heavyMagnus. 5 piece Light VR 14 Martial Knowledge. 3 Piece Willpower. Resto staff on the back bar. Front bar is Dualwield Flamelash, Choking Talons, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Draw Essence. Back bar is Volatile Armor, Rapid Regeneraton, Structured Entropy, Dragon Fire Scales, and Blessing of Restoration.

Only have about 100 CPs, didnt start playing until a few months ago. Thinking about going back to Vampire for the recovery and Bats. Id like to swap out martial knowledge for kagrenacs if i can get someone to craft it for me. I have thought about 5 piece Phoenix as well but I dont know if it would be good or not. Anyhow what do you think? I tried the heavy armor but the damage just wasnt there as flame lash is very weak.

I'd probably go kagnaracs hope. Phoenix could be good as well haven't tried that set yet. I'm hoping to maybe swap magnus for kagnaracs if I can't get light or med molag kena shoulders soon. For now thought I'm sold on 5 h 2 light but again I do ALOT of solo play. With the latest patch vampirism isn't as big of a hindrance as it used to be. I either run devouring swarm on both bars or put mist form on Mack bar with Dawn breaker for my ultimate on rear bar. Vampirism for my play style with a dk is a MUST. If you can pick up elf bane for a reasonable price it's worth trying more resistance with the same sell power I had in 5 light. 5 kagnaracs hope with 4 magnus may be another good set being it's all craftable and could go heavy or light.

puffy99

I should mention I am still running 5 soulshine (level 10) (2 hvy) > up to purple and 5 phoenix (light) (blue upgrade to purple) and when I look at the numbers the spell damage and sets look pretty comparable to V14-V15 sets, magicka purple sets.

I am V14 now and just going to wait tell V16 or Orsinium drops. Spellpower/willpower sets don't look that much better if at all then what I run and they are only 3 piece.

The Elfbane for HVY looks nice and great for Magicka but I believe that is all BOE and a heavy set which seems counterproductive to a Magika based build and is expensive and hard to find..

1Grumpy_dunmer1

puffy99 wrote: »

Pretty much have to run in somewhat with a group although talons can make it much more difficult for your opponent(s).
Phoenix Armor does give you a backup life but again only in a group but in IC it has saved my butt quite a few times. (bugged in group dungeons)

I typically make sure IGN Shields is up, dragons leap, hit talons, embers, backroll, flame lash, rinse and repeat. Radiant magelight up on both bars.

Shift to restro and combat prayer if no healer around or get ready to backroll until leap is up again.

blessing of restoration better?

I think that's going to be a play style choice where ones not necessarily better than the other. The bonus damage is nice but the stacking of major and minor resistances is nice too. I want to try a more damage based build soon. Combat prayer proxy det draw essence ect (high aoe damage small group build) soon so maybe I'll make another post once I try that see where everyone is at with their dk builds.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

puffy99 wrote: »

I should mention I am still running 5 soulshine (level 10) (2 hvy) > up to purple and 5 phoenix (light) (blue upgrade to purple) and when I look at the numbers the spell damage and sets look pretty comparable to V14-V15 sets, magicka purple sets.

I am V14 now and just going to wait tell V16 or Orsinium drops. Spellpower/willpower sets don't look that much better if at all then what I run and they are only 3 piece.

The Elfbane for HVY looks nice and great for Magicka but I believe that is all BOE and a heavy set which seems counterproductive to a Magika based build and is expensive and hard to find..

Looks like a good setup I would wait till Dlc or v-16 also or u may be worse off than using soulshine as far as damage goes.
Heavy can be counterproductive especially in groups where you probably aren't taking as much damage and the extra resourses could be used to dps or anything else really. But 1v1 I feel I have decent magicka sustain and take less damage than in all light or 5 light 2 heavy. My sustain is managed with batswarm thanks to the battle roar passive. With ought that passive all us magicka dks can pack our bags n leave cyrodill for good. Lol

KenaPKK

Magicka DKs can do solo PvP? News to me...

Poor DKs

SirDopey

hmmm. I'm running Sword Shield and Necklace Willpower, 2 Endurance Rings, 5 Martial knowledge and Molag Kena shoulders and a NightFlame helm with a Willpower restro staff. I would like to switch my willpower sword/endurance ring around but I'm too poor to do it and haven't been lucky enough to get one out of a vault.

This is working OK - I can 1 v 1 and even 1 v 2. I have my first bar set up Inner light, Taylons, whip, draw essence, chains and devouring swarm. 2nd bar is inner light, immovable, elusive mist, blessing of restoration and ingenous shields and ice comet as ulti. This definitely is not my favorite build, playing my NB and templar much more but with some patience it works.....

Vanzen

5l/2h or 5h/2l depends if pve, small scale or 1v1
But always Kagrenacx5 Magnusx4 (both bar 1h/s) 3 willpower

Vanzen

5l/2h or 5h/2l depends if pve, small scale or 1v1
But always Kagrenacx5 Magnusx4 (both bar 1h/s) 3 willpower
Oh and reactivex5 when am fed up with nb ...

Jjitsuboy98

I cant afford elf bane yet nor kagnaracs. I like solo play as well just seems the dps is not there with 5 heavy. Where do you get elf bane at anyways? VR 15 at least would be nice.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

I cant afford elf bane yet nor kagnaracs. I like solo play as well just seems the dps is not there with 5 heavy. Where do you get elf bane at anyways? VR 15 at least would be nice.

You can find it at guild traders fairly cheap nowadays. I'm not sure where to get vr15 and 16 elf bane. Vr 14 is from pvp vendor bags.

KenaPKK wrote: »

Magicka DKs can do solo PvP? News to me...

Poor DKs

Yes we can... Barely but it's doable

Maulkin

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

I cant afford elf bane yet nor kagnaracs. I like solo play as well just seems the dps is not there with 5 heavy. Where do you get elf bane at anyways? VR 15 at least would be nice.

Elf Bane drops from rewards of the worthy now, so you'll have to check guild stores for v15/v16 stuff.

I'm running 5l/1m/1h, tristat food, 5x Kagrenac, 3x Willpower, 4x Magnus (s/b or dw + resto). Instead of 4 Magnus you can go 1x Molag Kena, 2x Torugs Pact (with gs), but your sustain is awful so you'd need drinks, which kinda nullifies the damage increase.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

I use food now but I use ALOT of tripots. Lol I'm actually quite amazed how well I'm able to sustain magicka in 5 h 2 l. I Wasn't sure how well the heavy armor would perform either but so far very impressed. My spell resistance is 28500 and physical resistance is 22500. My sustain for my playstyle is just about right. Tool tip flame lash hits for 5k. I'm hitting harder than 5 martial knowledge 4 magnus I was using prior.

Ishammael

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

This is what they should be doing -- much more efficient setup. Willows Path is so good its crazy. Even in Heavy. Atro mundus + 1 regen glyph + ~40 CPs in mag regen should put you right at 1.7-1.8k mag regen in 5H. Cost redux isn't worth it b/c it scales down in effectiveness with increasing CPs. Same w/ Seducer.

Here's the rub: the damage is really, really bad compared to what a Sorc and NB can put out. Being pigeon-holed into resto staff for a heal really hurts. In fact, the 5H DK magicka setup cannot beat any competent magicka Sorc -- Leading many down the path to full spell damage AND food (forgetting sustain). For example: 5 kag, 4 elf, 3 will + food. Sure, you're gonna be draining pots like crazy, but at least your hits will make people pay attention. Fossilize + meteor --> whip is the combo.

Maulkin

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

I use food now but I use ALOT of tripots. Lol I'm actually quite amazed how well I'm able to sustain magicka in 5 h 2 l. I Wasn't sure how well the heavy armor would perform either but so far very impressed. My spell resistance is 28500 and physical resistance is 22500. My sustain for my playstyle is just about right. Tool tip flame lash hits for 5k. I'm hitting harder than 5 martial knowledge 4 magnus I was using prior.

You are running 5 heavy, with food, and with kagrenac/elf bane???? O.O

I'm not even going so aggressive on my 7/7 light Sorc. You either have >1.2k CPs or your sustain must be on the bad side of terrible.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

This is what they should be doing -- much more efficient setup. Willows Path is so good its crazy. Even in Heavy. Atro mundus + 1 regen glyph + ~40 CPs in mag regen should put you right at 1.7-1.8k mag regen in 5H. Cost redux isn't worth it b/c it scales down in effectiveness with increasing CPs. Same w/ Seducer.

Here's the rub: the damage is really, really bad compared to what a Sorc and NB can put out. Being pigeon-holed into resto staff for a heal really hurts. In fact, the 5H DK magicka setup cannot beat any competent magicka Sorc -- Leading many down the path to full spell damage AND food (forgetting sustain). For example: 5 kag, 4 elf, 3 will + food. Sure, you're gonna be draining pots like crazy, but at least your hits will make people pay attention. Fossilize + meteor --> whip is the combo.

I can barely get through a sorc shield before I'm forced to spend all my resources on healing due to them having much more dps than dk. A high damage magicka skill for dk could probably balance that but who knows.. That's just the good sorts though some are easy kills.

Maulkin

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

This is what they should be doing -- much more efficient setup. Willows Path is so good its crazy. Even in Heavy. Atro mundus + 1 regen glyph + ~40 CPs in mag regen should put you right at 1.7-1.8k mag regen in 5H. Cost redux isn't worth it b/c it scales down in effectiveness with increasing CPs. Same w/ Seducer.

Here's the rub: the damage is really, really bad compared to what a Sorc and NB can put out. Being pigeon-holed into resto staff for a heal really hurts. In fact, the 5H DK magicka setup cannot beat any competent magicka Sorc -- Leading many down the path to full spell damage AND food (forgetting sustain). For example: 5 kag, 4 elf, 3 will + food. Sure, you're gonna be draining pots like crazy, but at least your hits will make people pay attention. Fossilize + meteor --> whip is the combo.

I can barely get through a sorc shield before I'm forced to spend all my resources on healing due to them having much more dps than dk. A high damage magicka skill for dk could probably balance that but who knows.. That's just the good sorts though some are easy kills.

It's not even that. Your problem going against a decent Sorc is that you're going against Harness Magicka on a 35k-40k max magicka build with 100 CPs in Bastion. That's a 7k Shield for me on the low end of the magicka spectrum (35k). It means i can put it up and it will take ~3 whips from you to burn through it. In that time it's returned double it's cost to me and gave me time to unload my burst.

The Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward stack is OP as feck against magicka builds. A half-decent sorc that simply goes into shield spam cannot be killed by another magicka build. Which is why as a sorc I kept saying a) make Heal Ward a direct heal á la BoL b) remove shield-stacking. Instead of that BS shield-breaker set which tilt's the balance towards stamina even more (they only had to burn through 1 shield to begin with and they have higher damage).

Anyway, sorry for digressing. I just think the problem you are describing is not a specific DK problem, but more of a generic problem against Sorcs with 2 shields.

Stoney_McGeee

I use 5 hope and 3 will power and 2 torgat (however you spell it) and the 1 monster set shoulder piece..

Thinking about doing a Arche Mage set up , but prob will just wait to use my mats until the new DLC comes out.

As far as sorcs goes, the shield stack can be annoying but they **** up when they crystal frag themselves..

& I love that people think Magic DKs are instinct..

1Grumpy_dunmer1

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

This is what they should be doing -- much more efficient setup. Willows Path is so good its crazy. Even in Heavy. Atro mundus + 1 regen glyph + ~40 CPs in mag regen should put you right at 1.7-1.8k mag regen in 5H. Cost redux isn't worth it b/c it scales down in effectiveness with increasing CPs. Same w/ Seducer.

Here's the rub: the damage is really, really bad compared to what a Sorc and NB can put out. Being pigeon-holed into resto staff for a heal really hurts. In fact, the 5H DK magicka setup cannot beat any competent magicka Sorc -- Leading many down the path to full spell damage AND food (forgetting sustain). For example: 5 kag, 4 elf, 3 will + food. Sure, you're gonna be draining pots like crazy, but at least your hits will make people pay attention. Fossilize + meteor --> whip is the combo.

I can barely get through a sorc shield before I'm forced to spend all my resources on healing due to them having much more dps than dk. A high damage magicka skill for dk could probably balance that but who knows.. That's just the good sorts though some are easy kills.

It's not even that. Your problem going against a decent Sorc is that you're going against Harness Magicka on a 35k-40k max magicka build with 100 CPs in Bastion. That's a 7k Shield for me on the low end of the magicka spectrum (35k). It means i can put it up and it will take ~3 whips from you to burn through it. In that time it's returned double it's cost to me and gave me time to unload my burst.

The Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward stack is OP as feck against magicka builds. A half-decent sorc that simply goes into shield spam cannot be killed by another magicka build. Which is why as a sorc I kept saying a) make Heal Ward a direct heal á la BoL b) remove shield-stacking. Instead of that BS shield-breaker set which tilt's the balance towards stamina even more (they only had to burn through 1 shield to begin with and they have higher damage).

Anyway, sorry for digressing. I just think the problem you are describing is not a specific DK problem, but more of a generic problem against Sorcs with 2 shields.

I think If I had a single target high damage skill it would be much less of a problem. Sorcs aren't my biggest issue really the hardest challenge is when someone gets me to half health pops an immovable pot and starts the wrecking blow spam.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Stoney_McGeee wrote: »

I use 5 hope and 3 will power and 2 torgat (however you spell it) and the 1 monster set shoulder piece..

Thinking about doing a Arche Mage set up , but prob will just wait to use my mats until the new DLC comes out.

As far as sorcs goes, the shield stack can be annoying but they **** up when they crystal frag themselves..

& I love that people think Magic DKs are instinct..

They haven't killed us yet. I'm thinking they are about 1 nerf shy. There's still people that have hardly played pvp saying dk is too tanky.

Ishammael

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

This is what they should be doing -- much more efficient setup. Willows Path is so good its crazy. Even in Heavy. Atro mundus + 1 regen glyph + ~40 CPs in mag regen should put you right at 1.7-1.8k mag regen in 5H. Cost redux isn't worth it b/c it scales down in effectiveness with increasing CPs. Same w/ Seducer.

Here's the rub: the damage is really, really bad compared to what a Sorc and NB can put out. Being pigeon-holed into resto staff for a heal really hurts. In fact, the 5H DK magicka setup cannot beat any competent magicka Sorc -- Leading many down the path to full spell damage AND food (forgetting sustain). For example: 5 kag, 4 elf, 3 will + food. Sure, you're gonna be draining pots like crazy, but at least your hits will make people pay attention. Fossilize + meteor --> whip is the combo.

I can barely get through a sorc shield before I'm forced to spend all my resources on healing due to them having much more dps than dk. A high damage magicka skill for dk could probably balance that but who knows.. That's just the good sorts though some are easy kills.

It's not even that. Your problem going against a decent Sorc is that you're going against Harness Magicka on a 35k-40k max magicka build with 100 CPs in Bastion. That's a 7k Shield for me on the low end of the magicka spectrum (35k). It means i can put it up and it will take ~3 whips from you to burn through it. In that time it's returned double it's cost to me and gave me time to unload my burst.

The Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward stack is OP as feck against magicka builds. A half-decent sorc that simply goes into shield spam cannot be killed by another magicka build. Which is why as a sorc I kept saying a) make Heal Ward a direct heal á la BoL b) remove shield-stacking. Instead of that BS shield-breaker set which tilt's the balance towards stamina even more (they only had to burn through 1 shield to begin with and they have higher damage).

Anyway, sorry for digressing. I just think the problem you are describing is not a specific DK problem, but more of a generic problem against Sorcs with 2 shields.

You are probably the first Sorc that is willing to admit this. Harness is really, really good. Coupled with Hardened? Stupid OP. Now add in that CPs make attacking Sorc stamina non-viable and the whole balance in out of whack. Shield stacking needs to go.

I feel more survivable on my DK running Harness + Heal Ward than in heavy or blocking. Which is absurd.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

This is what they should be doing -- much more efficient setup. Willows Path is so good its crazy. Even in Heavy. Atro mundus + 1 regen glyph + ~40 CPs in mag regen should put you right at 1.7-1.8k mag regen in 5H. Cost redux isn't worth it b/c it scales down in effectiveness with increasing CPs. Same w/ Seducer.

Here's the rub: the damage is really, really bad compared to what a Sorc and NB can put out. Being pigeon-holed into resto staff for a heal really hurts. In fact, the 5H DK magicka setup cannot beat any competent magicka Sorc -- Leading many down the path to full spell damage AND food (forgetting sustain). For example: 5 kag, 4 elf, 3 will + food. Sure, you're gonna be draining pots like crazy, but at least your hits will make people pay attention. Fossilize + meteor --> whip is the combo.

I can barely get through a sorc shield before I'm forced to spend all my resources on healing due to them having much more dps than dk. A high damage magicka skill for dk could probably balance that but who knows.. That's just the good sorts though some are easy kills.

It's not even that. Your problem going against a decent Sorc is that you're going against Harness Magicka on a 35k-40k max magicka build with 100 CPs in Bastion. That's a 7k Shield for me on the low end of the magicka spectrum (35k). It means i can put it up and it will take ~3 whips from you to burn through it. In that time it's returned double it's cost to me and gave me time to unload my burst.

The Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward stack is OP as feck against magicka builds. A half-decent sorc that simply goes into shield spam cannot be killed by another magicka build. Which is why as a sorc I kept saying a) make Heal Ward a direct heal á la BoL b) remove shield-stacking. Instead of that BS shield-breaker set which tilt's the balance towards stamina even more (they only had to burn through 1 shield to begin with and they have higher damage).

Anyway, sorry for digressing. I just think the problem you are describing is not a specific DK problem, but more of a generic problem against Sorcs with 2 shields.

You are probably the first Sorc that is willing to admit this. Harness is really, really good. Coupled with Hardened? Stupid OP. Now add in that CPs make attacking Sorc stamina non-viable and the whole balance in out of whack. Shield stacking needs to go.

I feel more survivable on my DK running Harness + Heal Ward than in heavy or blocking. Which is absurd.

Yeah I'dk what they were thinking. Let's give sorc good burst. Let's give sorc good sustain. Let's give sorc good mitigation through shields. Let's give sorc a good escape tactic. Give anything the sorc doesnt have to dk. which used to be self healing but dk aren't so great at that now either.

Armitas

Yeah Mike, I pretty much have to use drinks. With no racial or monster to give me recovery or basic internal class recovery I pretty much have too. With the exception of the ridiculous amount of armor pen/breach in this game I got my defense and sustain to a great level. Just got to find a way to improve the damage, which is pretty much the problem everyone is having with dk.

Jjitsuboy98

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you guys are running drinks instead of food. Because with these kagrenac and elf bane heavy sets you are all using, I can't for the life of me see how you have enough sustain even with pots and battle roar.

Have you tried going 5 x Seducer / Willow's Path, 4 x Magnus, 3 x Willpower and food instead of drinks?

- Damage-wise you should be definitely better off (5k max magicka from food always better than 230-250 spell damage from kag or elf bane)
- Magicka sustain should also be better (>2k magicka regen before pots with Attro Mundus and 2xCost redux + 1 Regen enchants)

I understand stamina sustain is where you might struggle with this build ....though with block stopping regen anyway I would have thought stam regen is not a Alpha as it was in 1.6? Also with food you will get more stam out of Helping Hands and generally more stats out of battle roar.

I'm forming all of the above as a question because I'm not so up to date with my magicka DK.

I'm using food not drinks with my setup. I have about 2000 Magicka recovery. Seducer would make me lose some damage but gain a little more recovery.

Maulkin

Ishammael wrote: »

You are probably the first Sorc that is willing to admit this. Harness is really, really good. Coupled with Hardened? Stupid OP. Now add in that CPs make attacking Sorc stamina non-viable and the whole balance in out of whack. Shield stacking needs to go.

I feel more survivable on my DK running Harness + Heal Ward than in heavy or blocking. Which is absurd.

I'm not though. Derra, ToRelax and others have in the past said the same thing.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Yeah I'dk what they were thinking. Let's give sorc good burst. Let's give sorc good sustain. Let's give sorc good mitigation through shields. Let's give sorc a good escape tactic. Give anything the sorc doesnt have to dk. which used to be self healing but dk aren't so great at that now either.

If you had played a Sorc for 1 and a half year, trust me you would have been wondering the very same thing about the magicka DKs of the first 8 months. Sorc is in better spot than magicka DK now, for sure, but it hasn't been like that all the time. Stamina DKs are at the moment a very hard counter to sorcs. They have huge stamina damage, CC and the ability through scales to negate 90% of my burst.

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah Mike, I pretty much have to use drinks. With no racial or monster to give me recovery or basic internal class recovery I pretty much have too. With the exception of the ridiculous amount of armor pen/breach in this game I got my defense and sustain to a great level. Just got to find a way to improve the damage, which is pretty much the problem everyone is having with dk.

I don't think you'll get that much damage output from a Magicka DK to be honest. Not with Battle Spirit. Though personally I'm going for Willow's Path and food, rather than Kagrenac and drinks. If you want to kill people you need to group with someone else to help with the damage. Or go stam DK

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

I'm using food not drinks with my setup. I have about 2000 Magicka recovery. Seducer would make me lose some damage but gain a little more recovery.

And what is your setup? Are you running mag regen on your jewels?

Ishammael

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't think you'll get that much damage output from a Magicka DK to be honest. Not with Battle Spirit. Though personally I'm going for Willow's Path and food, rather than Kagrenac and drinks. If you want to kill people you need to group with someone else to help with the damage. Or go stam DK

Sad life of the magicka DK atm. Highest DPS in PvE... lowest damage in PvP.