Miss the old pvp

Ganj

Also its kinda pointless to earn alliance points after the patch because there is nothing useful to buy with alliance points. I dont know why there isnt any v16 gears or at least accessorizes. More than 2.5m ap just sitting there for nothing.

Waffennacht

phaseadept wrote: »

@Ganj

Cyrodiil PvP is boring currently. You either outnumber people or they outnumber you. No real battles. Whomever put 50 players in Cyrodiil proper owns the map until someone else does.

If you want small scale PvP go to the quest areas in Cyrodiil. You'll get even better luck in area not controlled by your faction. I live for small scale PvP and I get tons.

Cracked wood cave, I guarantee you'll run into a small group there. But its always a small group, so be ready for some 1vX action.
Almost all my PvP is small scale. I was doing 1 v 2 all night last night. Two NBs were determined to try their luck against me.

After watching some old youtube videos, the PvP needed to change. Watching a shield stacking sorc kill 6 people in less than 3 minutes was hard, it gave our class a bad name.

I like the changes myself, combos exist now, and a small group of non vets can be as deadly as a vet. Once you find your groove I'm sure you'll enjoy it too.

alakmir

Icky wrote: »

Sounds like all the no skill players that relied on OP abilities are crying and quitting the game. This is awesome!

haha and these skill less players kill the likes of u at every corner of cyrodiil any day any time^^ If my post wasn't clear to the thick skull of urs then , lemme explain , whether the damage is less or high , the ease with which i was accustomed to play with , has been taken away . Whether the damage is high or less, u will die and not me Coz i was so in tune with the damage and the shield strength that my mind was clear on how to act . The moment m full set , ur dead ^^

alakmir

ToRelax wrote: »

Is that old PvP the one in that Surge, Negate Magic and Bolt Escape were considered the class defining Sorc skills? x)

I have always been a manablade, Elo , but I have always not liked the new negate , its like, it has lost it's meaning . I just want this game to not change anymore since we all have our other stuffs . Well m not speaking for everyone but for myself only . I don't like the idea of having 5 k dampen magika shield with my build where i was initially accustomed to the more shield rating , simply put , m against this change . Game was more fun before this patch .

Waffennacht

Maybe for you, but after watching the old vids. Shields were OP, they still are extremely strong, just nowhere near the ridiculous nature they were.

The damage reductions means a player can actually respond before a 1 or 2 hit TKO. One crystal shard doesn't take out 30+% anymore.

Im a sorc, I find my shield great, i find the changes fair. I am not for more changes fyi.

imredneckson

I don't really like my NB or my DK anymore due to the patch but magicka Templar is great I'm loving it so far

Ganj

Waffennacht wrote: »

Maybe for you, but after watching the old vids. Shields were OP, they still are extremely strong, just nowhere near the ridiculous nature they were.

The damage reductions means a player can actually respond before a 1 or 2 hit TKO. One crystal shard doesn't take out 30+% anymore.

Im a sorc, I find my shield great, i find the changes fair. I am not for more changes fyi.

Shields were op so as DK before this patch. It was almost impossible to kill a good DK before the patch or it was impossible to kill a sorc aswell. But again a good nb could kill both. So what does it mean? Now shields nerfed, stam rec changed when u on shield and still people complaining about balance. This mean its about skill in my opinion. Still a skilled sorc can kill a nightblade with shield breaker. But people will continue to cry anyway. Point is you can find your own balance if you try fight so often. For me i play with my sorc i can kill nb, templar, sorc, dk if they are not good enough. For example there was a dk i literally couldnt kill him in this patch but im not going to complain of course. he was god damn good. Im also playing nb, i usually kill what ever i find but there was a sorc and he killed me with his stupid pets But he played well.

Im trying to say people complaining about balance, cloak, streak or what ever.. They dont even go to try their own abilities. They just farm in the closest place to their base and crying about some *** abilities.

MrTarkanian48

Khajiit NB VR13 w/ 5 piece Hundings and 3 Piece Ashen. I was excited to get Hundings right around the time the patch hit on PS4. Really excited to PVP and PVE with it...

Then the patch hit and PvP is painful to play. I've been trying to enjoy it but its just not very fun anymore.

1) Stealth and surprise are meaningless now (real glad I have the stealth bonus now...). Burst and solo is dead. I used to Lethal Arrow, Poison Injection, Ambush, Surprise attack, killers blade and kill just about anyone on a mount. Now this combo MAYBE gets them to half health. At this point one of two things happen.

Either
a) They run back toward their group at which point i'm outnumbered at least 2 to 1. I won't die very fast still, but surely can't kill anyone either. I usually just evade and run away at this point. The only way to win is to come back with an even bigger group overpower them. Hence the rise of the zergfest.

OR

b) They stay and fight me, we both just beat on each other until our resources run low, after several minutes it rarely results in one of us dying or even getting below 30% health. Usually one just runs away. This of course only happens if during our 2-3 minute exchange neither faction's zerg comes and takes one of us out.

I understand that people don't like to be one-shotted. I never could pull off a one shot on this build, but I had some deadly combos that could cut people down quickly, especially from stealth. I on the other hand have been one-shotted many times. Just riding around on my mount and get leveled by a 24k Ice Comet. Was it frustrating? Yes Did it make me play stealthier and be more cautious? Yes Was it boring? Absolutley Not. Every time you stepped out of your keep you were on alert because you knew that you could actually be killed.

I switched to my lowbie account (Magicka Nightblade) to see if it would be any different in Blackwater Blade. Same story. First I joined a group sieging a keep. We get in the outer wall and start sieging the inner. Im using mutagen and ward on our guys in trebuchets. DC starts the counter siege, and I'm dodging red circles from ballistas. I actually get hit with one, and realize that it only hits my health bar for maybe 1/4. I dark cloak the dot, Mutagen and I am back to almost full health before he reloads. I don't even bother dodging ballistas anymore, they can't kill me. Nothing can kill me other that 3+ players unloading everything they have. Later i got in a 1 v 1 with a sorc. We exchanged blows for 2 minutes and I eventually bailed because I could see 3 other DC coming my way. At this point I left Cyro to go do PVE.

I really think this 50% damage reduction needs a look. I never had a problem with the low TTK. Personally I think it is realistic that if someone gets the jump on you, you need to react quickly or you will die .That being said, I get that people don't like getting 1-2 shotted so maybe a 20-30% reduction would be more appropriate? This feels like immortality. Also when you nerf regen at the same time no one can sustain enough damage to kill anyone. Sure you can spec heavily in regen, but at the expense of Weapon or Spell damage, which still results in the same outcome. I think there needs to be a middle ground.

The last thing about it is now there is a much larger disconnect between PVE and PVP. I know people would switch some gear out when going between the two, but now it seems like you almost need a attribute respec and complete gear swap whenever you move between PVE and PVP. In PVE as DPS I need health some health and lots of damage. I throw some points into health or enchant my gear with health. Then I go to PVP and I feel like I could survive with 1/2 the health, but need to do everything possible to boost damage (and even when you do it its hard to kill anyone), but at the same time my regen sucks so I need to work at that as well. There is a much bigger disconnect between PVE and PVP then there was before.

Sorry, I don't mean to complain. I know complaining is what got us here in the first place. I haven't complained about anything up until this point. I really love this game, and just feel like this patch really put it in a bad place.

tennotsukai87

Getting tired of fighting 1v1 and having to run due to boredom of neither of us dieing. Really, the content is cool, but the new pvp mechanics suck. I feel like if they reverted back to normal they would keep the nerf on damage shields so forgive me if I'm a bit worried about them changing back, but it needs to happen.

Paradox

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Sounds like all the no skill players that relied on OP abilities are crying and quitting the game. This is awesome!

Yeah, large portions of the population leaving due to the developers botching a content release is awesome. You're right.

Enjoy your dead game. They're taking it further and further down the drain every patch.

I guess you have the numbers of people who left to enlighten us. Perhaps its an impression because you only play with ppl who cant adapt to the new meta.

The fact of the matter is, we don't find the new meta fun... At all. Like it was with a lot of the top competitive players with 1.6, you're seeing a lot of players quit because changes to the game made it unfun for a good number of us.

Cody

I lost patience about 4 months ago. Someday it will get better and I and others can return to a decent game.

alakmir

Icky wrote: »

Sounds like all the no skill players that relied on OP abilities are crying and quitting the game. This is awesome!

yea coz it was because of u non-skilled players , the eso has nerfed us . U are probably one of those qqers who were not in support of high damage skills and heavy shield strength and probably u died quickly in battles

alakmir

olsborg wrote: »

Shields should have remained what they where prepatch, and just remove shieldstacking, so you could only have one shield active at any one time. I can see that this patch would hurt nightblades or other builds who actually only used healing ward. Shame to see you go @alakmir you where fun to fight and fun to theorycraft with.

cya in some better game m8

twistedmonk

I don't really miss the 1-2 shot builds tbh