Bat Swarm + Proximity Detonatio + Bolt Escape + Emperor = God Mode

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If only there were a line of skills that deal tremendous damage to vampires...

AJ_1988

I also laugh if someone dets me if it does hurt I heal. Tank healer with a side of dps and with the right skills massive resistance and damage buffs

leepalmer95

jrkhan wrote: »

niccolo91 wrote: »

I'm a noob on Xb1 PVP and next to cold fire siege weps, this is the thing I die to the most. Grouped up siegeing a keep and boom this guy runs out does exact same combo OP complaining about and drops 3 people lol. He was a level 26 ROFL. Another thing I die to a lot is crystal shards those things are insane. Any good tips on how to mitigate those 3 things ? I'm a squishy stamblade so I expect to die a lot but I feel I can do more.

Unless the formula for xp and alliance rank are very different on console, no:
A level 26 can not possibly have yet unlocked batswarm - it requires more xp to get to Vampire rank 10.
A level 26 is very unlikely to have gathered the AP needed (something near 2 million) to have unlocked proxy det. (Though technically possible if they managed to get this AP by repair kits only - since it rewards no xp)

A more likely scenario:
A v14 player you did not see (cloaking nb or invibats) was standing next to a level 26.

The key to surviving (the above abilities, and every ability in the game) is to spam the active defense of your choice, and then heal through any incidental damage you take. Use potions and stack regen if you are not planning on using burst and run tactics.
Use detect pots to see through cloak spam/stealth.

Active defensive include:
Cloak spam,
Dodge roll spam
Block spam (backed up with passives)
Shield stacking.

Most importantly:
Accept that even the best players in the game die. When they die, they don't complain about the ability that killed them, they analyze their play style and seek ways to improve.

He was probably pvp rank 26, if so it's seem this is just a general l2p issue, block the det... if there a vamp laugh and meteor/dawbreaker them and 1 hit them.

vichoi

NB will cast fear before that so you can't block detonation and bat swarm, if they time it right it's easy mode.
The problem is NB have a class CC ability that's not blockable and sometimes unbreakable and also with animation bug.

AJ_1988

You can break out of fear also there are abilities that make you immune

Soulac

vichoi wrote: »

NB will cast fear before that so you can't block detonation and bat swarm, if they time it right it's easy mode.
The problem is NB have a class CC ability that's not blockable and sometimes unbreakable and also with animation bug.

Then don't get in the range of fear or use immovable.
It's not fear which is buggy, all stuns are. You notice it more often with fear since it's the most used one.
Including Petrify.

15k dmg through block is not possible, not even as Emp.
Bats on the other side are not blockable but don't deal that much dmg, so it should be fine.

Block their deto and use DB - most vamps are dead by now.

Lilpeanut

All of these "counters" are easily countered by the person playing the fotm swarm prox combo. I managed to survive a little while against the emp that was abusing this failed game mechanic but while in constant bat form he was getting hp back. While blocking I was getting hit for 14k damage. Im going to record it eventually and hopefully get this thing nerfed hard.

leepalmer95

Soulac wrote: »

vichoi wrote: »

NB will cast fear before that so you can't block detonation and bat swarm, if they time it right it's easy mode.
The problem is NB have a class CC ability that's not blockable and sometimes unbreakable and also with animation bug.

Then don't get in the range of fear or use immovable.
It's not fear which is buggy, all stuns are. You notice it more often with fear since it's the most used one.
Including Petrify.

15k dmg through block is not possible, not even as Emp.
Bats on the other side are not blockable but don't deal that much dmg, so it should be fine.

Block their deto and use DB - most vamps are dead by now.

I have more problems with fear than i do with any other skills, sometimes fear just doesn't break, not sure if this is just a console thing or not though.

Soulac

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

vichoi wrote: »

NB will cast fear before that so you can't block detonation and bat swarm, if they time it right it's easy mode.
The problem is NB have a class CC ability that's not blockable and sometimes unbreakable and also with animation bug.

Then don't get in the range of fear or use immovable.
It's not fear which is buggy, all stuns are. You notice it more often with fear since it's the most used one.
Including Petrify.

15k dmg through block is not possible, not even as Emp.
Bats on the other side are not blockable but don't deal that much dmg, so it should be fine.

Block their deto and use DB - most vamps are dead by now.

I have more problems with fear than i do with any other skills, sometimes fear just doesn't break, not sure if this is just a console thing or not though.

Fear is an AoE and also the most used CC simply cause you don't need to target.
In group fights you barely find someone who targets especially you and uses Petrify or something similar.

And when we talk about group fights you notice that your ping is also higher, meaning that all your actions probably gonna be delayed - eso is really bad performance wise..

Test it in duels and you will notice that you break fear before your opponent can do his next move, at least if you react fast enough.
Worse than fear is the last S&B skill and the Templar charge. Sometimes or I case of the charge always hitting you out of dodge and you can barely break the stun in time.

Unbreakable stuns can happen with all stuns.. Had it with Petrify, streak or Templar charge as well - it's not a fear only ability.

Soulac

Lilpeanut wrote: »

All of these "counters" are easily countered by the person playing the fotm swarm prox combo. I managed to survive a little while against the emp that was abusing this failed game mechanic but while in constant bat form he was getting hp back. While blocking I was getting hit for 14k damage. Im going to record it eventually and hopefully get this thing nerfed hard.

Sorry, but even an Emp can't be in vamp all the time unless he kills people while doing it.
If your people die cause they didn't block it's their own fault.

You can't balance the game around the Emperor and even if he's not as good as you, why should an Emperor die to you or your group if you can't even block or know what you can block at all?

I hope you're aware of detonation having a cast time.
I'll tell you about another counters called mark and detection potions.
Use them and you'll see the Emperor if he uses invis bats.
If he casts detonation now you simply interrupt him.

And if you're not able to even do that.. Stop playing PvP.

Lilpeanut

Just got a reply back from a GM, he said it's a known issue on Xbox One that prox isn't blockable. Anyway it doesn't matter because I unlocked the ability and it's perfectly fine actually.

Dancheek

If you block you can substantially reduce all magic damage you take... you can fully absorb meteor and probably even proxy det... thing is you need the stamina to block. If you took damage while blocking then you ran out of stamina... pretty simple.

Proxy det is not hard to counter if you know it's coming... and yes you need skill to be able to use it well... also who is casting batswarm non-stop? You need a decent amount of ultimate to cast it... batswarm is a very good ultimate but then again so is overload, so is dawnbreaker, so is soul harvest, etc... magicka nb opening burst is not that hard to defend against if you know they're coming and know what they're doing.

Instead of complaining why don't you ask how people counter these attacks?

Lilpeanut

Someone didn't read my previous post. You Gus are right I was wrong prox det is perfectly balanced and isn't an easy mode ability. So far I'm having a lot of fun using it.

The guy that was spamming bat swarm was an emperor. But all
He does is spam those two abilities. I'm guessing you guys just haven't cracked the code and this emp is just a much better player then you guys. Now since I'm playing against way more talented players I will just become even better and who knows maybe in a few days I'll be teaching you guys how to play your characters. My mom is going to let me stay home another week from school so I can focus on becoming emperor so that's cool.

ThyIronFist

There was a time where batswarm was annoying but nowadays if people try to burst me down with it, I always laugh.

Lilpeanut

Yeah I was just kidding. Everything is balanced. No need for any future patches or changes.

Master_Kas

Proximity detonation is getting nerfed damage wise, I think it was 28% dmg nerf + the 30% cyrodiil nerf so it won't do the same dmg to singletargets anymore.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I laugh when someone batswarms me. I just spam solar barrage and solar disturbance and watch them die.

Not if it is a nightblade using cloudingswarm spamming concealed weapon or stam spamming surprise attack with 10/20% damage buff (depending on if they are bosmer/khajiit)

Lilpeanut

LOL, we just fought the Emperor (no life dude from South Park WoW episode) and the only way we killed this easymoder was by one of the guys using a bug. Oops I mean it wasn't a bug it was normal game mechanics/tactics... even though the guy even said it was a bug. This battle was right out of the South Park Episode where they had to kill that which has no life. Sad.

Dancheek

you know that emperor is pretty much super mode if they play it correctly, right? you get so much more damage/health/regen you can survive swarms of people, especially with spamming ults like batswarm...

complaining about not being able to kill an emp is like complaining that you don't do as much damage as the siege weapons

Arbiter259

Just silber leash me from a 5 ft incline and hope i die to 85k fall damage. It works:p

Arbiter259

Sorry, but even an Emp can't be in vamp all the time unless he kills people while doing it.
If your people die cause they didn't block it's their own fault.


I hope you're aware of detonation having a cast time.
I'll tell you about another counters called mark and detection potions.
Use them and you'll see the Emperor if he uses invis bats.
If he casts detonation now you simply interrupt him.



This is correct. Batswarm has a low cost, but in order too maintain it i need bodies. The 26 you see is the alliance rank, not my level

Lilpeanut

Then he will simply bolt escape across the map rinse and repeat easy mode. I can't wait for bolt escape nerf. I lol every time I see these sorcs relying heavily on it knowing the nerf is coming. I'm seeing a lot more of these bolt escape, bat swarm, prox det, pvpers lately. Guess it's balanced and that's why it's flavor of the month....

Lilpeanut

Arbiter you are a prime example of what I'm talking about. All you do is shield, bat swarm and prox det. Lol and bolt escape. Haha saw you get one shot from a guy exploiting a bug I laughed my ass off.

Lilpeanut

Unlocking silver leash soon

Arbiter259

Lilpeanut, you seem salty. I advise avoiding the red circle lol. But in all seriousness, all these people here have given you solid advice on how not too die. Its up to you now too use that advice or not. If you need too rely on a bug too kill me, go for it. What im doing is not cheating, and tbh, idk if silver leash is either. Seems like a grey area. Point is, use what you have at you're disposal, cause every time you kill me, ill be back in 10 seconds

Lilpeanut

Yeah thanks for helping me unlock the kill emperor achievement btw. I'm starting to get better at surviving your prox det swarm combo. I was at the fight when you got silver leashed and didn't die but I saw a lot of dead pact members. That was pretty funny watching them go into that little house to get you lol. So much death.

Arbiter259

LOl they just kept going in. Someone shoulda told them it was a trap.

Lilpeanut

I should have said something but I was like a piro starring into the flames. Lol

Paradox

lynog85 wrote: »

its also not easy to get proximity det, takes alot of work, you can also block, thats a lie. All these skills are available to everyone, so i dont know what youre moaning about

Dude. It takes maybe a week of play to get proxy det... That's nothing.

Vaoh

Playing on PS4 NA, just hopped on to Azura's Star excited to use my newly V1 Sorc. Helped capture a resource, then an enemy Nightblade hit me and a few others with a 29,027dmg proximity detonation. We all died instantly and never saw it coming. Thougt it was one of those bugged Coldharbour seige weapons at first. Is this normal? Because Blackwater Blade (Non-Vet) was actually fun and balanced.

Kobaal

This is clearly a case of L2Peanut.

lol just kidding. Sorry I had to