Macros: legit fair play or cheating?

Zorgon_The_Revenged

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

Looking at the numbers that appeared on your screen, sound and animations then I'd say it was a 15k heavy attack from stealth followed by a 5k non crit surprise attack, simple and easy to do and clearly not a macro........that doesn't mean I don't believe they aren't used, just in this case it wasn't.

RinaldoGandolphi

I don't think there is any doubt there are exploiters in the game.

Emma_Overload

Leandor wrote: »

I'd like to repeat my as of yet unanswered question from page one:

Leandor wrote: »

A question for the "1.3 second global cooldown" faction: Are Harness Magicka and Hardened Ward on the same 1.3 second cooldown?

There is a purpose to the question, so could anyone enlighten me about it?

I don't think the cooldown on abilities is anywhere near that long. I think it was reduced to 1 or 1.1 seconds with Update 1.6. You don't need a macro to test this... just spam Impulse or whatever as fast as you can and see how many hits you get in FTC damage report and then divide that into the total time it took. This even works with "cast" abilities. I recently tested Wrecking Blow this way and found I got 8 hits in 8.8 seconds. There is NOTHING you can do to speed this up, either... believe me, I've tried.

Xael

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

You were killed by Kerviz.
You were not macroed. This is precisely why I despise threads like these. When you get wrecked in PvP by someone who knows how to play and all of a sudden it's cheating, exploits, macros, etc. I am not saying you outright accused him, but the doubt is real and you said "I believe I was macro'd."

Kerviz, vamp NB Khajit, Sneak attack with a heavy attack/Surprise Attack Weave. He also runs Camo Hunter and this likely procced as well. We have the same build/playstyle. I can vouch for him, he does not cheat or macro.

See what threads like this do? Boogeymen, boogeymen everywhere.

OdinForge

Xael wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

You were killed by Kerviz.
You were not macroed. This is precisely why I despise threads like these. You get wrecked in PvP by someone who knows how to play and all of a sudden it's cheating, exploits, macros, etc.

Kerviz, vamp NB Khajit, Sneak attack with a heavy attack/Surprise Attack Weave. He also runs Camo Hunter and this likely procced as well. We have the same build/playstyle. He is on my friends list and I can vouche for him, he does not cheat or macro.

See what threads like this do? Boogeymen, boogeymen everywhere.

At least on this thread it was quickly debunked, the video is from May and in the youtube comment section K is directly accused of macro'ing with no defense. I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like this gets people falsely banned. We've already had another case where people reported someone enough to get him banned falsely.

Xael

OdinForge wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

You were killed by Kerviz.
You were not macroed. This is precisely why I despise threads like these. You get wrecked in PvP by someone who knows how to play and all of a sudden it's cheating, exploits, macros, etc.

Kerviz, vamp NB Khajit, Sneak attack with a heavy attack/Surprise Attack Weave. He also runs Camo Hunter and this likely procced as well. We have the same build/playstyle. He is on my friends list and I can vouche for him, he does not cheat or macro.

See what threads like this do? Boogeymen, boogeymen everywhere.

At least on this thread it was quickly debunked, the video is from May and in the youtube comment section K is directly accused of macro'ing with no defense. I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like this gets people falsely banned. We've already had another case where people reported someone enough to get him banned falsely.

Yeah it's really terrible and out of control.
I am all for freedom of speech but newbies spouting nonsense is a very powerful lobby.
Strangely enough no matter what you say to people like this, it's like trying to nail jello to the wall.
They are also guilty of libel in many instances and receive no penalty for it, yet when someone tries to defend themself they are considered antagonists. I find the lack of integrity sickening.

SirAndy

Xael wrote: »

Yeah it's really terrible and out of control.
I am all for freedom of speech but newbies spouting nonsense is a very powerful lobby.
Strangely enough no matter what you say to people like this, it's like trying to nail jello to the wall.
They are also guilty of libel in many instances and receive no penalty for it, yet when someone tries to defend themself they are considered antagonists. I find the lack of integrity sickening.

You do realize that the same can be said about people who insist macros don't exist and/or work as advertised. Their motives are pretty clear and "integrity" is not a word i'd associate with that.

Also, "freedom of speech" on a privately owned online forum = LOL

DaveMoeDee

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

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dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

yeah i thought some one would try to say that, and its completely false, i know for a fact none of the things you mentioned were involved, i wasnt looking for an answer because i wasnt asking a question.
i was simply agreeing that infact macros are being used and i am a witness that people are doing it among other cheats on a daily basis.

You cannot be a reliable witness to these things from your screen. What you see in the way of animations isn't reliable. Not calling you a liar, you may well have seen someone macroing. But there are many other possible explanations.

Very true.

I remember playing NBA Live years ago on a PS3 and the person I was playing with was complaining that the shot was blocked based on the animation. The game doesn't determine blocks by animation. Add in latency for PvP over the Internet and the limits of FOV and we might not want to rely on animations for the full story.

OdinForge

SirAndy wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Yeah it's really terrible and out of control.
I am all for freedom of speech but newbies spouting nonsense is a very powerful lobby.
Strangely enough no matter what you say to people like this, it's like trying to nail jello to the wall.
They are also guilty of libel in many instances and receive no penalty for it, yet when someone tries to defend themself they are considered antagonists. I find the lack of integrity sickening.

You do realize that the same can be said about people who insist macros don't exist and/or work as advertised. Their motives are pretty clear and "integrity" is not a word i'd associate with that.

Also, "freedom of speech" on a privately owned online forum = LOL

It's next to impossible for us to decide if someone is macro'ing based on footage, it's also impossible to tell if they aren't. But those of us that are familiar with animation canceling (and some of us have pointed out in this thread), it's insanely easy to achieve the same results without macro'ing. I don't see any good reason a macro in this game particularly would give you an edge, over doing the same task manually and with more control. Thus i don't see how macro'ing a combo like that would give you any advantage over someone doing it manually.

Sometimes if I'm watching people stream, i see quirks that make me wonder. I see them go for a HA->AC->Ulti combo but the target quickly throws up a defense, the player still uses their ult (essentially wasting it). This makes me wonder if they had some type of automation, or if they just made human error and got trigger happy with their ultimate. Because when I'm animation canceling i'm manually able to break those combos before i start them (most of the time).

I think it's just not fair to assume someone is macro'ing, just because they're performing a combo that is super easy to learn and do manually but with more granularity than a macro can do.

Rylana

It does amaze me how vehemently people will deny that others they "know" use macros though.

Its not like we are all blind or stupid here people, many keyboards and mice come stock with the damn things built in and just need tweaked for timings.

Im actually more surprised in this world of technojunk (mice with 10 buttons on them wtf) that more people dont do it

DaveMoeDee

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Macros are cheese on toast. So are all the baby mode add ons . Yknow telling when to dodge or execute etc. For this reason I'm glad I'm on console. Macros were a banning offense in dcuo but they only gave pcplayers a pve edge pvp had a counter system that punished using the wrong move at the wrong time rendering macro users useless . No such system exists here and for that reason I'm so glad I don't pvp on PC . Is every good player using them ? Ofc not but it'd be very silly to claim no one does . In a game where animation cancelling is a thing and with no punishment for use macro users are king (in theory)

I do like the mod that tells me when to pull up the fishing line. That way I can fish while watching Netflix on a second monitor.

SirAndy

Xael wrote: »

The only motive seen here is that you are a proud bigmouth who resorts to libel when asked to be accountable. Regarding integrity, you have none at all.

PeggymoeXD

Daaaaannngggg. So first of all, I am by no means a "newbie spouting nonsense." Been playing this game for a dang long time, and successfully kill most that challenge me, formally or informally. I never accused anyone of actually macro'ing. I posted the video specifically asking what everyone thought. I would very much appreciate the unnecessary name-calling to be kept to a minimum. I know what I'm asking is a lot of you, but it seems my question was answered so there is no need to keep entertaining the subject as if I accused him directly.

Also, this is me in the video.. obviously. I stated I was more focused on flying people than actually fighting. Calling me a newbie because I died instantly is rather unfair.

TheBull

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

Peggy you got rocked by a heavy and a surprise attack. What's the problem? There's nothing funny there. Why didn't you react when you saw your eye open and break your stealth? That was just bad play man.

This is the boogeyman I keep talking about. There is nothing to figure out here. Nothing nefarious. You need to look at yourself and your play.

edit- I see there was already a response (several) to the vid. Nothing personal man but I've been accused so many times. There's been so many threads made and I will dare to say non of them are true.

PeggymoeXD

TheBull wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

Peggy you got rocked by a heavy and a surprise attack. What's the problem? There's nothing funny there. Why didn't you react when you saw your eye open and break your stealth? That was just bad play man.

This is the boogeyman I keep talking about. There is nothing to figure out here. Nothing nefarious. You need to look at yourself and your play.

edit- I see there was already a response (several) to the vid. Nothing personal man but I've been accused so many times. There's been so many threads made and I will dare to say non of them are true.

I addressed your entire comment before you even posted it directly above it.

Xael

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Daaaaannngggg. So first of all, I am by no means a "newbie spouting nonsense." Been playing this game for a dang long time, and successfully kill most that challenge me, formally or informally. I never accused anyone of actually macro'ing. I posted the video specifically asking what everyone thought. I would very much appreciate the unnecessary name-calling to be kept to a minimum. I know what I'm asking is a lot of you, but it seems my question was answered so there is no need to keep entertaining the subject as if I accused him directly.

Also, this is me in the video.. obviously. I stated I was more focused on flying people than actually fighting. Calling me a newbie because I died instantly is rather unfair.

Did you even read what I wrote?
Or like the sluggards I was referring to, do you pick and choose what you decide to see/hear?
Not once did I call you a name. Want me to go back line by line over my response to your video? Do I need to? Has it come to this? I think so...

Xael wrote: »

You were killed by Kerviz.

No name calling, nothing offensive. No calling you a newbie.

Xael wrote: »

You were not macroed. This is precisely why I despise threads like these.

No name calling. No calling you a newbie.

Xael wrote: »

When you get wrecked in PvP by someone who knows how to play and all of a sudden it's cheating, exploits, macros, etc. I am not saying you outright accused him, but the doubt is real and you said "I believe I was macro'd."

No name calling, nothing offensive, not even calling you a newbie. Notice in bold where I give you the benefit of the doubt EVEN THOUGH you already indirectly cast aspersion on his name?

Xael wrote: »

Kerviz, vamp NB Khajit, Sneak attack with a heavy attack/Surprise Attack Weave. He also runs Camo Hunter and this likely procced as well. We have the same build/playstyle. I can vouch for him, he does not cheat or macro.
See what threads like this do? Boogeymen, boogeymen everywhere.

No name calling, nothing offensive. No calling you a newbie.

That was my response to you, nobody else said a word to you, unless it was done privately.
So again, what's the deal? Are you trying to play victim here? I said nothing antagonistic to you at all.

@OdinForge "guilty of libel in many instances and receive no penalty for it, yet when someone tries to defend themself they are considered antagonists." Even though we were talking about someone else this is exactly what I mean, strange how even this person jumped at the chance.

Xael

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PeggymoeXD

Yeah it's really terrible and out of control.
I am all for freedom of speech but newbies spouting nonsense is a very powerful lobby.

If this part of your conversation was not in reference to me, than please, accept my humblest, most sincere apology. But it was very inconveniently timed if that's the case. No need to get so fired up that you arrange a dissected observation of your own response to me if the issue is only miscommunication.

sadownik

Whoa this thread got some heated discussion. Well my last 5 cents here.

Can people use macros? Yes of course.
Do those macros give advantage? In my opinion yes.
Argument that good players can get on without them, or even do better is in my opinion invalid. Lets say a medicore or below average player use them. Will he/she play better? I think yes. I tested them long time ago and i really felt that it would be a lot of help to have "oh s..." button and perhaps one more for that sweet combo but i was fresh player then and perhaps today i wuold think different. But then again it doesnt change the fact that macros are used and do help if not good players then most certainly players that are ... not that good.

Xael

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Yeah it's really terrible and out of control.
I am all for freedom of speech but newbies spouting nonsense is a very powerful lobby.

If this part of your conversation was not in reference to me, than please, accept my humblest, sincere apology. But it was very inconveniently timed if that's the case.

Look at the context.
I was responding to Odinforge about someone we know who got banned because of people wrongly accusing him of things.
They were either newbies (new players, not noobs) or people deliberately acting in malice to get someone banned by false accusations. And if you look into this thread and the few others all on this topic, you will see new players who don't know up from down convinced they are being consistently killed by macro boogeymen.

Regarding my directed observation, look at the heart of the matter between myself and Odin, talking about people receiving punishment based on false accusations. Regardless if it was malice or miscommunication, I need to provide thorough evidence to clear my name as some of the moderators on here do not read and kneejerk react to things. Again, we know people who have been banned wrongly. It's ridiculous.

Master_Kas

I get multiple ragewhispers daily with stuff like : macrouser, Cheater etc.

This happens mostly when I'm on My gank/instagib build.

People don't seem to understand how easy it is to animation cancel skills / attacks and that some projectileshave travel times.

For example I can use:
A fully buffed snipe from sneak -> light attack or "small" heavy attack -> poison injection/silver shard and thanks to the travel time of snipe they hit nearly instantly. Also if camo hunter procs it's "4 attacks in one second" as some people say.

You don't need macros for this. And if you have a bad connection or are lagging it can be even worse.

Also there is a bug where your char keeps moving but loses all stam & magicka, thereafter you die. This also seems to make some people think they got killed by a cheater.

I'm not saying macros doesn't exist. Just that you don't need it to get multiple skills to hit in very Quick succession.

My 2 cents. Before you cry cheater etc test it out for yourselfs.

Sorry for bad english.

Junipus

You can give the doubters more proof that insta-killing and multiple hits in 1-2 seconds can be done than anyone can possibly go through, but sadly it only moves the conversation from "it's a macro thing when people do it" to "it's a macro thing when other people do it".

Unfortunately you'll see plenty of people in Cyrodiil running in doing light attacks or using one skill before stopping to figure out what to do next, then accusing you of macroing when you can successfully land multiple attacks simultaneously while they don't understand the mechanics of the game.

I'd recommend switching to a build that can take them down slowly but consistently so they *** at you for just being better than them.

OdinForge

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Master_Kas wrote: »

I get multiple ragewhispers daily with stuff like : macrouser, Cheater etc.

This happens mostly when I'm on My gank/instagib build.

People don't seem to understand how easy it is to animation cancel skills / attacks and that some projectileshave travel times.

For example I can use:
A fully buffed snipe from sneak -> light attack or "small" heavy attack -> poison injection/silver shard and thanks to the travel time of snipe they hit nearly instantly. Also if camo hunter procs it's "4 attacks in one second" as some people say.

You don't need macros for this. And if you have a bad connection or are lagging it can be even worse.

Also there is a bug where your char keeps moving but loses all stam & magicka, thereafter you die. This also seems to make some people think they got killed by a cheater.

I'm not saying macros doesn't exist. Just that you don't need it to get multiple skills to hit in very Quick succession.

My 2 cents. Before you cry cheater etc test it out for yourselfs.

Sorry for bad english.

This.

I mean there have even been video guides made by reputable players that go over how to animation cancel. Posted to these forums even, people have no idea what they're talking about.

It's just easier to cry cheater, than to admit you got outplayed. Our even screwed over by server issues or lag, so common.

Master_Kas

This.

I mean there have even been video guides made by reputable players that go over how to animation cancel. Posted to these forums even, people have no idea what they're talking about.

It's just easier to cry cheater, than to admit you got outplayed. Our even screwed over by server issues or lag, so common.

Yes. Always easiest to blame someone when you don't understand the mechanics . It was fun getting those ragetells in the beginning but after a while it gets annoying, because they honestly believe one is cheating -.-

Perhaps next update will stop this a bit since lowered TTK.

Dru1076

This thread illustrates for me everything I have come to hate about mmo's. A simple question turned into a huge discussion about false claims and accusations of "nobody cheats ever....your just really really bad at this game while I personally am so awesome it just looks to you like I am cheating."

All I wanted to know was whether or not macros are legit. I now know they are not, and in fact their use can get you banned. I also found out some people think they are pretty bloody awesome while maintaining a very low opinion of other people, and that you cannot discuss anything in this game involving PVP without someone accusing you having a whinge and telling you to get good and stop complaining just because you suck.

So...to get this thread back on track...Macros are not fair play. It is almost impossible to prove their use, so those who do will probably never be caught....but the truth is they would not have much advantage anyway. So if you do use Marcos, you are cheating. This is all I needed to know. I had seen their use discussed openly in the forum and had wondered, but now I know.

We can probably close this thread now and move on. Unless, of course, you guys wanted to brag some more? Let me know so I can edit the title of the thread to reflect what it is really about now.

Junipus

Not bragging, but like every thread in the history of ever, it gets derailed. In this case, it's by people who want to try and explain the difference between "macro" and legitimate gameplay so that everyone can be aware of it and learn what is and what isn't a macro. We do this so that people who might actually use macros will be more noticeable in game and be more easily reported to ZOS who can ban them accordingly instead of having to sift through the mound of reports from players who got ganked/killed in legitimate ways and decided that they were "macro'd".

Master_Kas

Dru1076 wrote: »

This thread illustrates for me everything I have come to hate about mmo's. A simple question turned into a huge discussion about false claims and accusations of "nobody cheats ever....your just really really bad at this game while I personally am so awesome it just looks to you like I am cheating."

All I wanted to know was whether or not macros are legit. I now know they are not, and in fact their use can get you banned. I also found out some people think they are pretty bloody awesome while maintaining a very low opinion of other people, and that you cannot discuss anything in this game involving PVP without someone accusing you having a whinge and telling you to get good and stop complaining just because you suck.

So...to get this thread back on track...Macros are not fair play. It is almost impossible to prove their use, so those who do will probably never be caught....but the truth is they would not have much advantage anyway. So if you do use Marcos, you are cheating. This is all I needed to know. I had seen their use discussed openly in the forum and had wondered, but now I know.

We can probably close this thread now and move on. Unless, of course, you guys wanted to brag some more? Let me know so I can edit the title of the thread to reflect what it is really about now.

No bragging, just pointing out how easy it is to do these combos without using macros. Just so people dont point fingers and accuse everyone who kills them fast of cheating. I just don't want people getting accused when playing legit, that's all.

Byebye ^^

trimsic_ESO

Sharee wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

And he has 1000 cps too! Come on. That's ridiculous to say. On top of that the sequence you used isn't even remotely optimal. There's not even an animation cancel/weave in there. Forgive me but you are making my point about a lack of understanding.

The fact that the sequence combines multiple attack categories that all have their own cooldowns(and thus can hit simultaneously) is what makes it optimal. It allows you to score 4 hits on an enemy within 0.3 seconds.

1, WB triggers a 1.3s ability cooldown on cast, but deal damage after 1.0 of that cooldown already passed.
2, SA can be used 0.3 sec after WB deals damage (at the point the WB CD expired)
3, SA triggers another 1.3s ability cooldown, but basic attacks are on their own CD, so you can LA right after the SA.
4, LA triggers basic attack cooldown, but you can use soul harvest instantly anyway, because ultimates respect neither ability CD nor basic attack CD.

result: 4 hits within 0.3 second timeframe. Of course hitting the keys perfectly for that to happen is a challenge in the heat of combat - unless you use a macro to do it for you, that is.

And this is where ZOS can fix the game. They cannot prevent people from using macro, but they can change the timings so this cannot happen.

Sharee

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

And he has 1000 cps too! Come on. That's ridiculous to say. On top of that the sequence you used isn't even remotely optimal. There's not even an animation cancel/weave in there. Forgive me but you are making my point about a lack of understanding.

The fact that the sequence combines multiple attack categories that all have their own cooldowns(and thus can hit simultaneously) is what makes it optimal. It allows you to score 4 hits on an enemy within 0.3 seconds.

1, WB triggers a 1.3s ability cooldown on cast, but deal damage after 1.0 of that cooldown already passed.
2, SA can be used 0.3 sec after WB deals damage (at the point the WB CD expired)
3, SA triggers another 1.3s ability cooldown, but basic attacks are on their own CD, so you can LA right after the SA.
4, LA triggers basic attack cooldown, but you can use soul harvest instantly anyway, because ultimates respect neither ability CD nor basic attack CD.

result: 4 hits within 0.3 second timeframe. Of course hitting the keys perfectly for that to happen is a challenge in the heat of combat - unless you use a macro to do it for you, that is.

And this is where ZOS can fix the game. They cannot prevent people from using macro, but they can change the timings so this cannot happen.

They kinda indirectly lessened the effectiveness of such combos with imperial city. The main strength of it is that it deals so much damage that the target has no chance to react before dying. By increasing the cyrodiil damage debuff from 20% to 50%, that should (hopefully) no longer happen.

trimsic_ESO

Sharee wrote: »

They kinda indirectly lessened the effectiveness of such combos with imperial city. The main strength of it is that it deals so much damage that the target has no chance to react before dying. By increasing the cyrodiil damage debuff from 20% to 50%, that should (hopefully) no longer happen.

That's not enough. People with macros will still be more effective than people without macros, because they can chain their skills with an optimized timing. Where is the gameplay? Where is the FairPlay?