Eclipse

Docmandu

That one could use some PvP tweaks... pretty useless in PvP as it is currently, both morphs... heck with the current talons+eclipse bug, you're even helping the enemy by using it!

ToRelax

It's a very strong spell even though it is bugged.

Kas

the skill is pretty useless in pve where powerful mobs are imune to it (but claes can still reflect their projectiles...).
in pvp, it's actually pretty good (long range insta cast CC that really forces several builds to break or purge it).

however, it is a clear instacne of many of the templar skill's problems: it can be a CC immunity dispenser. casting this on range on a target with no struggle basically means he gets to CC break while in little danger for the full immunity buff. getting feared in meele or stunned with the next big thing (detonation, dawnbreaker, wehatever) coming, is 100 times more dangerous for the target.

the skill can be good with used with great care. however, it really sucks that you cannot cast it while an enemy projectile is already on the way. thus, few competent templar really want to use a skillslot on it (some do, afaik and I don't think this is nesessarily bad).

Further though, templars running this skill and casting it on everything that moves may actually be doig more harm than good to their own alliance (i always love to break free under zero pressure).

i don't know how to change it, though. maybe adding a casttime and making it idependent from cc immunity could be a way (if you let the templar cast 1 or 2 seconds without interrupt, yxou have to break free or purge. if you never interrupt, he can spam it.) might be frstratingly OP in X v Y situations with X >> Y and templars in X just spamming the skill. I'd be fine if the skill was removed to bring back flashes, ofc

Docmandu

Doesn't work when target has any immunity.. and people insta break it, so it's no better than other CC, except that other CC usually still does something if your target has immunity.. ie. use invasion on a CC immune target, you still move closer and still damage your target...
Use eclipse on a immune target... err.. you can't cast it actually.

Soris

It's a GREAT tool to annoy enemy jesus beam and soul assault spammers.
If someone is casting it on you over and over? Just pop this little baby once while they are channeling and poff they are gone, shutted down and bugged. They can't take any actions for the next 10 secs other than block and dodge. Enjoy prey on them

And no need to mention bubble on atronach, OP heals 10k per sec for 30 minutes seconds. //edit.
And heck, give a damn trip to those annoying dks.

It's great skill for pvp. Use it wisely brethens. And don't forget, our strength comes from the bugs. May the bugs with you!

technohic

Would be happy if it had a CD or just a target had some immunity for a while after being hit with it rather than treating it as CC. I know they don't want you to be able to shut someone down permanently I just find there is too much wasted CC flying around to where you don't get a chance to use it. Particularly from Templars themselves.

Kas

Soris wrote: »

It's a GREAT tool to annoy enemy jesus beam and soul assault spammers.
If someone is casting it on you over and over? Just pop this little baby once while they are channeling and poff they are gone, shutted down and bugged. They can't take any actions for the next 10 secs other than block and dodge. Enjoy prey on them

And no need to mention bubble on atronach, OP heals 10k per sec for 30 minutes.
And heck, give a damn trip to those annoying dks.

It's great skill for pvp. Use it wisely brethens. And don't forget, our strength comes from the bugs. May the bugs with you!

2x esc fixes the bug. takes 0.1 seconds to press. i dont think this justifies a spot on your bars

Soris

That panic is enough

Reverb

Before it was bugged, it earned a spot on the pvp bar because there are still plenty of dumb sorcs that flatten themselves with shards, and now dumb Templars that Jesus Beam themselves. But the current bugs, added to the points above about cc immunity, and I agree that it works against a group that casts it often.

ToRelax

Soris wrote: »

It's a GREAT tool to annoy enemy jesus beam and soul assault spammers.
If someone is casting it on you over and over? Just pop this little baby once while they are channeling and poff they are gone, shutted down and bugged. They can't take any actions for the next 10 secs other than block and dodge. Enjoy prey on them

And no need to mention bubble on atronach, OP heals 10k per sec for 30 minutes seconds. //edit.
And heck, give a damn trip to those annoying dks.

It's great skill for pvp. Use it wisely brethens. And don't forget, our strength comes from the bugs. May the bugs with you!

It kills the Atronach rather fast though.

Kobaal

STOP using eclipse in PvP. It allows for a specific skill/ultimate which shall remain nameless, to be exploited and used multiple times in a row. Also, talons super speed bug, and a few others.

If you use Eclipse in PvP you are helping the enemy. Stop using it.

PeggymoeXD

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

Eejit1331

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

Lol.. i want to see that video haha

technohic

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

Haha I have seen some hilarious things from eclipse from people who like to spam any single target spell. The good ones stop and CC break so that's where my problem with it is. I've said it in other games but it holds true here. I don't need any special skill for killing idiots. As funny as it may be, probably get more use out of it on tower mages or other magic based guards.

Kobaal

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

I have not and would love to see that!

I have however, seen a single player kill an entire group by spamming Dawnbreaker of Smiting while Eclipsed.

Cinbri

Disagree. After its fix it became very usefull skill. Not good as Scales, but still it all templar can count on.

Armann

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

LOL!

Cinnamon_Spider

Eclipse is one of the Templar skills I've really grown to love. When my duo partner and I are outnumbered, or need to shut someone down for a moment, it usually works wonders. I can't tell you the number of fights in Cracked Wood we've won while levelling with it.

It is also great in 1v1 situations. I wish I was recording when I eclipsed a DK and then watched him whip himself and follow up with a soul assault while I just stood there.

It isn't Templar's fault that it is bugged with DB or talons right now, and there isn't usually a way to know who is using the bugged skills ahead of time, so I do not agree that eclipse use should be stopped. The bugs just need to be fixed.

Ezareth

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Eclipse is one of the Templar skills I've really grown to love. When my duo partner and I are outnumbered, or need to shut someone down for a moment, it usually works wonders. I can't tell you the number of fights in Cracked Wood we've won while levelling with it.

It is also great in 1v1 situations. I wish I was recording when I eclipsed a DK and then watched him whip himself and follow up with a soul assault while I just stood there.

It isn't Templar's fault that it is bugged with DB or talons right now, and there isn't usually a way to know who is using the bugged skills ahead of time, so I do not agree that eclipse use should be stopped. The bugs just need to be fixed.

Yeah eclipse is easily one of the top 3 Templar PvP abilities. It's so useful in so many ways, especially considering a player using an "infinite" resource build can keep so many players/NPCs eclipsed at the same time. Cinn and I won a ton of 2vX fights that we would have otherwise lost without eclipse.

Pobeda

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

Did you know that Eclips not working on aoe skill. Dk Whip is aoe. And not reflected. It same as templar jabs can`t be reflected. This skill have huge potential but when most players on pvp are stamina-based it trash. It not work for sorc, couse they have stamina pool and escape if they get lose it. When so low places for skills - it very expensive to have this skill on your bar. End be honest it tooo expensive on mana cost. For non damage skill whith CC imminity and purgable and one of the most "biglooking debuff" (I don`t know how name it, it not debuff ofcourse, but every see it and counter it fast way).
It will be more profitable after 1.7. Couse magick builds become more popular.

Soris

Whip isn't an aoe spell and it gets reflected by Eclipse. Just not many dks know that and I love watching them killing themselves

Cinnamon_Spider

Pobeda wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You must have never seen a DK whip himself to death if you think it's useless in PvP

Did you know that Eclips not working on aoe skill. Dk Whip is aoe. And not reflected. It same as templar jabs can`t be reflected. This skill have huge potential but when most players on pvp are stamina-based it trash. It not work for sorc, couse they have stamina pool and escape if they get lose it. When so low places for skills - it very expensive to have this skill on your bar. End be honest it tooo expensive on mana cost. For non damage skill whith CC imminity and purgable and one of the most "biglooking debuff" (I don`t know how name it, it not debuff ofcourse, but every see it and counter it fast way).
It will be more profitable after 1.7. Couse magick builds become more popular.

The tooltip for Eclipse says that it reflects back any harmful single target spells and the tooltip for whip says that it lashes an enemy. Whip isn't AOE and the reflected spells don't have to be projectiles.

ToRelax

I think some people here need to be on the receiving end for once if they think that you can cc break it makes the spell useless.
Just imagine how powerful it would be if you could not - since players already use cc break jsut to get rid of that debuff for a few seconds.

Kobaal

Just wait until your in a group and eclipse the wrong person and get hit with 4 or 5 Dawnbreakers of smiting by the same guy wiping out your entire group. Bet you'll stop using it then.

Ezareth

Kobaal wrote: »

Just wait until your in a group and eclipse the wrong person and get hit with 4 or 5 Dawnbreakers of smiting by the same guy wiping out your entire group. Bet you'll stop using it then.

Buggy game is buggy. It happens. If you stopped using every ability that screwed you over you'd end up with very little on your bars these days. I know I'd never be able to use Crit-charge.

Cinnamon_Spider

Kobaal wrote: »

Just wait until your in a group and eclipse the wrong person and get hit with 4 or 5 Dawnbreakers of smiting by the same guy wiping out your entire group. Bet you'll stop using it then.

I had to decide between using it and not in a fight against German recently. Ultimately, not using it is what got me killed.

Soris

ToRelax wrote: »

I think some people here need to be on the receiving end for once if they think that you can cc break it makes the spell useless.
Just imagine how powerful it would be if you could not - since players already use cc break jsut to get rid of that debuff for a few seconds.

Well that's a good point but it has nothing to do with CC'ing someone. If they add a small knockback or maybe root on it after it cc breaked/cleansed like fossilise, then it would make sense.
People currently casting crystal shards and break Eclipse immediately after for free cc immunity and the shards still hits to target (ok not so free, you still use stamina but you neither get CC'ed nor your projectile is reflected. so its kinda free)

Or that new soft cc immunity thingy can work for this one If it's even real.

driosketch

Ezareth wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Just wait until your in a group and eclipse the wrong person and get hit with 4 or 5 Dawnbreakers of smiting by the same guy wiping out your entire group. Bet you'll stop using it then.

Buggy game is buggy. It happens. If you stopped using every ability that screwed you over you'd end up with very little on your bars these days. I know I'd never be able to use Crit-charge.

Bit of an exaggeration, but really you have to weigh the usefulness of the skill versus the drawback. I've loved eclipse ever since they fixed the ability lock bug, but I've taken it off the bar as it has limited use against the current meta with a pretty strong liability.

ToRelax

Soris wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

I think some people here need to be on the receiving end for once if they think that you can cc break it makes the spell useless.
Just imagine how powerful it would be if you could not - since players already use cc break jsut to get rid of that debuff for a few seconds.

Well that's a good point but it has nothing to do with CC'ing someone. If they add a small knockback or maybe root on it after it cc breaked/cleansed like fossilise, then it would make sense.
People currently casting crystal shards and break Eclipse immediately after for free cc immunity and the shards still hits to target (ok not so free, you still use stamina but you neither get CC'ed nor your projectile is reflected. so its kinda free)

Or that new soft cc immunity thingy can work for this one If it's even real.

I agree that the use of this skill kind of increases the lack of cc the templar has at his disposal, and even though I do not have a better idea how to solve it right now, I don't like the current design very much.
However, are you sure people can cast procced crystal fragments, cc break and the fragments still hit?
I know I ignored Eclipse in a similar way in teh early months of the game, but it only worked when I was hardcasting fragments and finished with a cc break. Similarly, when I use Meteor today, it consistently gets reflected when the Eclipse was on me the moment I used the skill (and otherwise not).

Ezareth

driosketch wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Just wait until your in a group and eclipse the wrong person and get hit with 4 or 5 Dawnbreakers of smiting by the same guy wiping out your entire group. Bet you'll stop using it then.

Buggy game is buggy. It happens. If you stopped using every ability that screwed you over you'd end up with very little on your bars these days. I know I'd never be able to use Crit-charge.

Bit of an exaggeration, but really you have to weigh the usefulness of the skill versus the drawback. I've loved eclipse ever since they fixed the ability lock bug, but I've taken it off the bar as it has limited use against the current meta with a pretty strong liability.

So many bugged abilities I won't even go there.

As far as limited use in the current meta how do you figure? It completely shuts down magick DKs (even screws the wings on stamina DKS) and forces every magic damage based class in the game to break free. If you're playing objectives keeping all the NPCs eclipsed removes most of the damage dealing abilities and reactively using it against most sorcs will usually save your life and often kill the sorc if they're not careful. I've killed myself on my own sorc by 2-shotting myself with power overload by a templar casting a well timed eclipse.

I guess to each their own but this is an ability that when used with proper skill is a game changer IMO.

Xqluded

Eclipse works just fine for me. The only reason I do not use it in PvP is solely for the fact that any good player will immediately purge it rendering it useless. Believe it or not all players will eventually get good (decent) and know to purge it.

It is one of the only two or three skills in the game with an obvious "hey there's something on me" debuff. And Templar has them all, figures......