This is how you win campaigns

Kupoking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75lm6XMmwqY

Minnesinger

Because AD was winning the campaign before the scroll was taken? Care to explain...

Xendyn

Lag it enough and you can accomplish almost anything.
Man I hope this calculation fix I read about does some good.

Tripwyr

That player is well known for this type of gameplay.

Telel

To be fair, the raid size groups farming dolmens, whining about EP in cracked wood cave, and refusing to come back from Alessia bridge to do something as remedial as siege a keep also helped.

Svartiloghin713

Wow thats pretty funny lolz

TheFamousMockingbird

I was in the temple, and we felt the zerg coming through the gate. Even before they arrived at the temple:

Seige stopped working.
Weapon Swap frozen.
Targeted abilities gone.
Yo-Yoing back and forth.
The kind of crippling lag where you can't even open a keep door.
It impacted all factions.

Yet in the midst of all that, still able to pick up a scroll. How come scroll is the only thing unaffected by lag?

Happened the same at both AD temples.
It was a *** end to an otherwise fun and competitive campaign.

kevlarto_ESO

I am AD, I seen us lose the campaign 4 days ago, for some strange reason AD went on a downward spiral, had chances to take back the lead but just blew it, due to the lack of coordination to many hero's not working together, and in the end who cares the rewards suck anyway. I just want good fun fights, I help my faction the best I can but this week was a /facepalm

MoneyOverEverything

welcome to eso

Artheiron

Tripwyr wrote: »

That player is well known for this type of gameplay.

which player

BigTone

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I am AD, I seen us lose the campaign 4 days ago, for some strange reason AD went on a downward spiral, had chances to take back the lead but just blew it, due to the lack of coordination to many hero's not working together, and in the end who cares the rewards suck anyway. I just want good fun fights, I help my faction the best I can but this week was a /facepalm

There were a few times in the last few days you had both of our scroll gates opened but just didn't seem coordinated enough to get them home. You were able to get both of em on Friday night but couldnt hold em that long. When I went to sleep Friday night, you had a huge potential point gain that would have won the campaign by a mile but it all fell apart Saturday. It was a fun campaign overall and I look forward to the next one.

CITADALO

Tripwyr wrote: »

That player is well known for this type of gameplay.

lol,same thing for every blob zerg guild including yours.

Sile

Tripwyr wrote: »

That player is well known for this type of gameplay.

I remember when DC lost every one of their scrolls during US prime on Thornblade for a week, every day, due to the exact same situation.

Sure it sucks immeasurably that feeling of helplessness, but pot kettle.

Kupoking

Minnesinger wrote: »

Because AD was winning the campaign before the scroll was taken? Care to explain...

DC was winning with a 2k lead. They needed the 3 scrolls AD had to win it. Guess this is how they planned on getting them

CITADALO wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

That player is well known for this type of gameplay.

lol,same thing for every blob zerg guild including yours.

False

Minnesinger

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Because AD was winning the campaign before the scroll was taken? Care to explain...

DC was winning with a 2k lead. They needed the 3 scrolls AD had to win it. Guess this is how they planned on getting them

CITADALO wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

That player is well known for this type of gameplay.

lol,same thing for every blob zerg guild including yours.

False

If I remember right AD got 65 points more than DC by the time AD had one of the DC scrolls. DC led by over 2k. Yes if you use maths to calculate the best scenario where AD would win there was some chance of AD winning. AD had its moments but the last week or so the campaign was dominated by DC except for the moment both AD/ EP got 1 DC scroll each. I wouldn´t say DC needed to take AD scroll to win. That is a bit speculative but I don´t see how they would have gotten upper hand in this campaign. Good campaign anyways.

Robbmrp

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Hopefully the changes coming to PVP will resolve lag issues like this. Otherwise what's the point of fighting the other players. Just go stand on a flag because it will all be based on how many people are there and clearly not the damage done since no one is taking any damage. These endless lag fights need to be fixed pretty quickly. Now with the delay of today's news, we have no clue when 1.7 is coming out. Like ZOS was going to really tell us anyway other than this "soon" crap.

Is there any way that the PVP changes can be put in without Imperial City? I seriously doubt you will have ANY players waiting another year for a fix on this.

tonemd

Well, hopefully if DC continues to lag it up more AD and EP players will complain and ZOS will actually do something about this crap. DC complaints fall on deaf ears.

Kobaal

Its funny that when it happens to them its an outrage! But when the Lag benefits them and they do the same thing, these fools all think it's because they have more skill. The Irony is so delicious. I'm really enjoying all these threads blaming DC for "bringing" the lag and thinking that is why we won the campaign.

rfennell_ESO

Kobaal wrote: »

Its funny that when it happens to them its an outrage! But when the Lag benefits them and they do the same thing, these fools all think it's because they have more skill. The Irony is so delicious. I'm really enjoying all these threads blaming DC for "bringing" the lag and thinking that is why we won the campaign.

The fact that ash was mostly nearly unassailable due to lag turning on whenever someone went for it at prime time had a lot to do with it. The claims that it isn't being done intentionally are pretty amusing. You know, like it's not like we can't see through the windows in towers and see 40 dc in there spamming ae.

Kupoking

Kobaal wrote: »

Its funny that when it happens to them its an outrage! But when the Lag benefits them and they do the same thing, these fools all think it's because they have more skill. The Irony is so delicious. I'm really enjoying all these threads blaming DC for "bringing" the lag and thinking that is why we won the campaign.

Ive never seen an ad raid take a scroll of keep this way of the whole campain. Ever.

Crappy excuse that is full of lies. Dont try to drag us to your level.

We learned to play through the lag without exploiting it. We are the only alliance out that which actually left winning battles because the lag turned to our favor.

You are proud of the way things happened? Good for you if that makes you feel better. In my opinion, the only thing this lag thing achieved was to drive away all of ad's 3 major guilds away from this lag fest a week before the end of the cycle leaving hehind their end of cycle reward.

P.s. if ad uses such tactics, they would have done it the last 2 days of the campain to win it. They did not.

BigTone

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Its funny that when it happens to them its an outrage! But when the Lag benefits them and they do the same thing, these fools all think it's because they have more skill. The Irony is so delicious. I'm really enjoying all these threads blaming DC for "bringing" the lag and thinking that is why we won the campaign.

Ive never seen an ad raid take a scroll of keep this way of the whole campain. Ever.

Crappy excuse that is full of lies. Dont try to drag us to your level.

We learned to play through the lag without exploiting it. We are the only alliance out that which actually left winning battles because the lag turned to our favor.

You are proud of the way things happened? Good for you if that makes you feel better. In my opinion, the only thing this lag thing achieved was to drive away all of ad's 3 major guilds away from this lag fest a week before the end of the cycle leaving hehind their end of cycle reward.

P.s. if ad uses such tactics, they would have done it the last 2 days of the campain to win it. They did not.

What ever makes you feel better. Friday night, during the prime time lag fest you lag flipped keep after keep and eventually got both of our scrolls. The next morning we took them all back plus yours. This was during the morning when lag was minimal, and so were your tactics and defense. I find it so satisfying that as soon as DC wins the most competative campaign all these AD rage on the forums. Every forum post complaining about lag makes me stronger, I feed off of your sadness.



Please keep crying on the forums, please do. It keeps reminding me of that Saturday when I, with the help of the rest of DC, brought home four scrolls to seal the campaign victory. My guild swept through the back of the scroll temple like a clean up crew, and not one of you got off of your siege to engage us, but I'm sure you can blame that on lag too. there were 50+ AD running around the Ash mile gate for an hour as we took Roebeck and Faregyl behind you, but I guess you can blame that on lag too. You lead for 26 out of 30 days, you had the campaign in the bag and choked.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WZDSmSWAY4U

Kupoking

Sadness? Im not even homed on azura star. Most of the major ad guilds arent. Same with major ep ones. Some of us were there to pick off ez ap out of your bads. Im just pointing some facts concerning your glorious victory.

That wall of text and childish armurments/meme you posted just shows that Ive hit a soft spot, eh?

Zheg

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Sadness? Im not even homed on azura star. Most of the major ad guilds arent. Same with major ep ones. Some of us were there to pick off ez ap out of your bads. Im just pointing some facts concerning your glorious victory.

That wall of text and childish armurments/meme you posted just shows that Ive hit a soft spot, eh?

Fine, take Haderus for example. Every AD on the campaign balled up at the last emp keep to defend one big guild's emperorship, and lagged everything out to the point where you couldn't even put down siege. You could kill an AD, but could not bash the person rezzing them, so eventually it was just a complete waste of time.

At this point, any person still running meteor and spamming their ultimate on these pop locked campaigns needs to be named and shamed, and their guild named and shamed if they don't put a stop to it ... but we all know that will never happen thanks to our stalwart moderators.

Lord_Draevan

As a DC, this makes me sad

It's also why I haven't PvP'ed for more than an hour or two per month since 2014... it's just pointless and boring to watch zergs run into each other hoping to out-spam the other. (might not apply to this particular video, but it's AoE spam regardless)

@ZOS_RichLambert if you're going to /lurk, /lurk on these threads about the state of PvP.

BigTone

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Sadness? Im not even homed on azura star. Most of the major ad guilds arent. Same with major ep ones. Some of us were there to pick off ez ap out of your bads. Im just pointing some facts concerning your glorious victory.

That wall of text and childish armurments/meme you posted just shows that Ive hit a soft spot, eh?

There is nothing childish about the late great George Carlin or the greatest episode of South Park.

The "I'm not even homed" argument does not hold water. The best players were there at any given time and the most skilled faction came out on top.

Crown

BigTone wrote: »

The best players were there at any given time and the most skilled faction came out on top.

Cross post from the following link, as my answer there responds to the above statement: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/194978/why-dc-should-do-what-ad-wouldnt/p2

NPK Daniel wrote: »

And....We've won 3 out of 4....so, that's, like, uh, not losing.... :-) I am CN now, and our tactics developed while fighting superior numbers constantly. It's not our fault those same tactics break the server now that we have equal numbers of DC and AD fighting each other.

If you are using the same tactics to fight the guild that fields more than two full raid groups as you do to fight groups of 12, then I question your strategy.

The last few days of the campaign, not being able to find anywhere on the map to fight with less than a 2-3 second delay on skills, many have us said, "Screw the campaign, this isn't fun, lets make AP somewhere else". Looking at the leaderboards, the top people made under 70k AP per day. Those of us who went elsewhere made that in less than two hours. With a lot of newer people who aren't yet alliance 24 (pvp skill 10), making AP for them to rank up is of higher importance than lag prayers to RNG daedric gods in the hopes that one day flags will flip.

With two days to go, blue and yellow were neck and neck. What blue won was the competition to see who has the most patience. After two or three 15 minute lag fights trying to defend a keep vs. three full raid groups with less than a full 24 on our side, nobody has fun. When we win a lag fight, we usually spend a few minutes asking why the heck we waste the time on that and try to figure out if there's anywhere else less laggy to play. Since you guys just come back and do it again, and again, and again, it must be fun to you..

NPK Daniel wrote: »

As victors, I'd prefer not to rub it in, and us DC actually do the right thing, regardless of the fact the banana did not.

I don't understand how our opposing factions maintain the delusion that AD is unified in our decisions. Every group makes their own decisions, and unfortunately there are less and less communications these days (other than the "bugger off I'll do what I want / don't you effing tell me where to go" types of responses when we try to coordinate). If you see two guilds in one place, there's slightly more than a zero percent chance that they decided to gang up on you. More than likely, they both expected a fight (and thus AP) in that area or it's the next logical place to attack. If one guild has two full raid groups hitting BRK, then anyone else who doesn't want lag will head to Ash (based on the theoretical scenario that we own Nikel/Sej). If that means that there are three groups of 16 that head to Ash, then there will probably be arguments over who stays or goes - if the leaders even deign to communicate (unlikely at best).

Regarding doing the right thing, how does stacking 75+ people keep by keep fall into that category? You know that it causes a lag fight. You know (because I've whispered multiple leaders of blue groups) that I've tried to coordinate (as little as AD will follow my suggestions) having at most one large organized group (and whatever randoms are there) per keep so as to mitigate the lag fights, yet you keep coming with each of you responding that you "only have one group". Each of your "only one group" adds up. Combat Analytics has consistently shown between 70 and 90 blues (how many unique names damaged me cross referenced with how many unique names I damaged) at many of these fights during prime time. That definitely doesn't sound like "the right thing".

Unless things change, this coming campaign I'm intending to ignore map control and play purely for points in whatever campaign has the most balanced (or least AD to more other) population to help the new people level up. Getting people to the levels to have Barrier, Proxy, Vigor and the level 10 passives in preparation for the next major patch wins over trying to deal with lag fights.

TLDR: Congratulations on winning the campaign. I'm not upset we lost - it's more ZOS's issue with lag than anything we could have possibly done better or different. I just want to point out that your tactics of piling on the numbers in one place that seem to be the only way you guys win consistently is not strategic, nor is it "the right thing".

Kobaal

BigTone wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Its funny that when it happens to them its an outrage! But when the Lag benefits them and they do the same thing, these fools all think it's because they have more skill. The Irony is so delicious. I'm really enjoying all these threads blaming DC for "bringing" the lag and thinking that is why we won the campaign.

Ive never seen an ad raid take a scroll of keep this way of the whole campain. Ever.

Crappy excuse that is full of lies. Dont try to drag us to your level.

We learned to play through the lag without exploiting it. We are the only alliance out that which actually left winning battles because the lag turned to our favor.

You are proud of the way things happened? Good for you if that makes you feel better. In my opinion, the only thing this lag thing achieved was to drive away all of ad's 3 major guilds away from this lag fest a week before the end of the cycle leaving hehind their end of cycle reward.

P.s. if ad uses such tactics, they would have done it the last 2 days of the campain to win it. They did not.

What ever makes you feel better. Friday night, during the prime time lag fest you lag flipped keep after keep and eventually got both of our scrolls. The next morning we took them all back plus yours. This was during the morning when lag was minimal, and so were your tactics and defense. I find it so satisfying that as soon as DC wins the most competative campaign all these AD rage on the forums. Every forum post complaining about lag makes me stronger, I feed off of your sadness.



Please keep crying on the forums, please do. It keeps reminding me of that Saturday when I, with the help of the rest of DC, brought home four scrolls to seal the campaign victory. My guild swept through the back of the scroll temple like a clean up crew, and not one of you got off of your siege to engage us, but I'm sure you can blame that on lag too. there were 50+ AD running around the Ash mile gate for an hour as we took Roebeck and Faregyl behind you, but I guess you can blame that on lag too. You lead for 26 out of 30 days, you had the campaign in the bag and choked.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WZDSmSWAY4U

That picture is exactly how I feel when these guys come on here and Rage. It's even funnier when they rage and then claim they are not even homed on Az. LOL! num num num so juicy.

rfennell_ESO

BigTone wrote: »

What ever makes you feel better. Friday night, during the prime time lag fest you lag flipped keep after keep and eventually got both of our scrolls. The next morning we took them all back plus yours. This was during the morning when lag was minimal, and so were your tactics and defense. I find it so satisfying that as soon as DC wins the most competative campaign all these AD rage on the forums. Every forum post complaining about lag makes me stronger, I feed off of your sadness.



Please keep crying on the forums, please do. It keeps reminding me of that Saturday when I, with the help of the rest of DC, brought home four scrolls to seal the campaign victory. My guild swept through the back of the scroll temple like a clean up crew, and not one of you got off of your siege to engage us, but I'm sure you can blame that on lag too. there were 50+ AD running around the Ash mile gate for an hour as we took Roebeck and Faregyl behind you, but I guess you can blame that on lag too. You lead for 26 out of 30 days, you had the campaign in the bag and choked.

It's pretty well known that not only was it in zone chat it was also cross faction regarding the abuse of lag.

Keep trying to keep your head up though, but keep in mind when you are sitting in the sewer there is only so high it can be.

Btw, what was your prize for lagging out the servers for a month to "win it all"? My guess is Chuck Norris disappearing like Havoc, who I'm sure actually quit the game to screw playboy models and drive fast cars.

BigTone

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

What ever makes you feel better. Friday night, during the prime time lag fest you lag flipped keep after keep and eventually got both of our scrolls. The next morning we took them all back plus yours. This was during the morning when lag was minimal, and so were your tactics and defense. I find it so satisfying that as soon as DC wins the most competative campaign all these AD rage on the forums. Every forum post complaining about lag makes me stronger, I feed off of your sadness.



Please keep crying on the forums, please do. It keeps reminding me of that Saturday when I, with the help of the rest of DC, brought home four scrolls to seal the campaign victory. My guild swept through the back of the scroll temple like a clean up crew, and not one of you got off of your siege to engage us, but I'm sure you can blame that on lag too. there were 50+ AD running around the Ash mile gate for an hour as we took Roebeck and Faregyl behind you, but I guess you can blame that on lag too. You lead for 26 out of 30 days, you had the campaign in the bag and choked.

It's pretty well known that not only was it in zone chat it was also cross faction regarding the abuse of lag.

Keep trying to keep your head up though, but keep in mind when you are sitting in the sewer there is only so high it can be.

Btw, what was your prize for lagging out the servers for a month to "win it all"? My guess is Chuck Norris disappearing like Havoc, who I'm sure actually quit the game to screw playboy models and drive fast cars.

I have to admit that made me laugh. What did I get for winning the campaign? A fraction of the gold my guild spent on tripots, soul gems, siege and wall repairs. I also got 5 gold items that I will never use and pray to the rng gods for a gold temper.

Listen, DC needed to win this campaign more than AD and EP did. For a lot of us it was our first major campaign victory in a VERY long time. When the campaign finally ended it was a party in zone chat. I imagine this does not happen for EP or AD because they win campaigns much more frequently. Winning this campaign, whether you feel from skill or lag, was a major morale boost for all of DC. I've received multiple whispers and mails thanking me for my efforts, which could not have been possible without my awesome guild mates and coordinating guilds. People saying that I have given them hope against the zerg and that they have enjoyed PvP more than they have before.

This is what was truly won. Hell people were giving ten minute victory speeches in TS. People sent me tripots, offered to craft me gold armor sets, and buy me siege. If you haven't been playing DC for a while you don't understand what this win actually means for some of us no matter how many people try to diminish it by saying we won from lag or the best players left the server the last week. None of that matters. When the timer hit zero, DC was on top.

It's a great time to be a DC player right now as opposed to a month ago when we were outnumbered and getting gate camped in Chillrend. A lot of the DC guilds came together and put differences aside to do what is best for the faction. I have coordinated with numerous guilds that i never had before and learned from many other leaders that I didn't think I would work with. I was able to put new tactics into play with my troops and we became better for it. Although we are not all best friends, we banded together and made a stand. Azura was won in name of the Daggerfall Covenant.

My real prize for winning it all? The ability to work and run with other guilds making myself a better leader, improving my guild's overall tactics, the gratefulness of countless players in my faction, new allies, restoring hope in a wounded faction, the excitement of coming out on top of a very close campaign, DC once again becoming a force in Cyrodil, and faction pride.

For King and Covenant

tonemd

When DC constantly lost lag battles in Thornblade and Chillrend, we complained. The other factions rubbed it in our faces, went on and on about their "strategy" and "coordination" and called us cowards when we left. Now that DC has pooled its resources into one campaign and is able to employ the same tactics as our competition to win, NOW AD and EP want to complain about it.

You can't possibly think that anyone who has been on DC for the past 10 months has any sympathy for AD or EP, can you?

Lord_Draevan

tonemd wrote: »

When DC constantly lost lag battles in Thornblade and Chillrend, we complained. The other factions rubbed it in our faces, went on and on about their "strategy" and "coordination" and called us cowards when we left. Now that DC has pooled its resources into one campaign and is able to employ the same tactics as our competition to win, NOW AD and EP want to complain about it.

You can't possibly think that anyone who has been on DC for the past 10 months has any sympathy for AD or EP, can you?

Reminds of when AD was pop-locked on NA Auriel's Bow 24/7 back at launch, laughing away/dismissing anyone who complained, then a few months later they complain about EP being on 24/7 on Wabbajack then Thornblade.
The hypocrisy was delicious.