Removal of PvP Tanks

Paradox

Good or bad and your reasons why?

Jakeol

Tanks are being removed?

Paradox

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

Essentially, with the block regeneration removal, it will essentially be the end of the viability of them. In 1v1, sure The good ones will be okay. 1v2 and it's over for most anyone, including tanks.

I don't understand the change to block. Blocking players were never an issue with s&b.

Aunatar

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

To be honest.. did somebody feel threatened by a tank?.....

chevalierknight

Aunatar wrote: »

To be honest.. did somebody feel threatened by a tank?.....

No not threatened bored dragged out fights are not fun if it was burst wouldent be the commen build if i want to kill people blocking all day i would play dark souls

Akavir_Sentinel

I tank in PvP and the upcoming change to stamina regeneration doesn't bother me that much. I can still mitigate 60% of damage from siege weapons, and 80% of player damage and AoE's. And that's without blocking.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Tanking was possible in PvP i though burst damages was to great to be countered by anything including any tank build except that imfamous cookie cutter infa tank build

imredneckson

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

I don't like that they are preventing regen while blocking. My build depends on being able to block attacks and put up shields around my group to help keep them and myself alive. In my opinion, this is a very bad move

MisterBigglesworth

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

Everyone's health and armor is effectively getting doubled though, isn't it?
Not actually doubled, mind you, but those values are staying the same, while damage done and damage taken are getting cut in half.
So you'll be able to spend more time heavy attacking to get back stamina... so hopefully your attackers are in melee range... if you're getting hit by ranged you'll need to rely on Dragon Scale/Defensive Posture more often than is currently needed.

ToRelax

Sap tank stays best tank.

Domander

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Everyone's health and armor is effectively getting doubled though, isn't it?
Not actually doubled, mind you, but those values are staying the same, while damage done and damage taken are getting cut in half.
So you'll be able to spend more time heavy attacking to get back stamina... so hopefully your attackers are in melee range... if you're getting hit by ranged you'll need to rely on Dragon Scale/Defensive Posture more often than is currently needed.

Well, damage will be 30% lower than live...... + or - any changes with armor pen/spell pen (there's already a 20% reduction)

Paradox

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Everyone's health and armor is effectively getting doubled though, isn't it?
Not actually doubled, mind you, but those values are staying the same, while damage done and damage taken are getting cut in half.
So you'll be able to spend more time heavy attacking to get back stamina... so hopefully your attackers are in melee range... if you're getting hit by ranged you'll need to rely on Dragon Scale/Defensive Posture more often than is currently needed.

No, increased by 30% effectively. Flat 50% reduction on incoming dmg. It's currently 30% flat.

cozmon3c_ESO

What's? Even with this change there will still be tanks. They will just have to be smarter then taping their right mouse button down. If you are good you will stand out. And most tanks were Magicka specced Dk's flame whip spamming everywhere with such high stam regen that it took like five people to drain there 11k stam pool, lol. That's broken as hell.

iseko

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

What's? Even with this change there will still be tanks. They will just have to be smarter then taping their right mouse button down. If you are good you will stand out. And most tanks were Magicka specced Dk's flame whip spamming everywhere with such high stam regen that it took like five people to drain there 11k stam pool, lol. That's broken as hell.

Dk's could do that yes. So nerf their stam regen passives. Not the way you.block..

Ace_SiN

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

There's only 1 play style that should be eliminated, imo. That's the 1 shot ganking play style. There's no skill involved and I'm all for promoting skillful play. Player A should ALWAYS have an opportunity to be able to react to Player B or vice versa. This is assuming both players are on equal terms(full health, similar gear range, etc). The most frustrating deaths in PvP, for me at least, is dying before I even knew I was hit(excluding deaths due to bugs of course..)...

ToRelax

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

What's? Even with this change there will still be tanks. They will just have to be smarter then taping their right mouse button down. If you are good you will stand out. And most tanks were Magicka specced Dk's flame whip spamming everywhere with such high stam regen that it took like five people to drain there 11k stam pool, lol. That's broken as hell.

I hope you're actually talking about tank builds here, not just tanky players who still aim to deal damage.
In the latter case it should be fairly easy to bring them down.

For actual tank builds I simply don't see the problem. It essentially means they sacrificed their offense for defense. If you can not kill them and they can't kill you, where's the problem? There are many builds that don't need much player skill to survive against a single player in 1.6.
So if someone who can't do much damage needs several people to take down, that seems completely legit to me.

Armitas

I think forward tanks serve a purpose in PvP, not the ones that do nothing but hold block, but the ones that get out there and draw the attention, CC and debuff for the rest of the group.

FriedEggSandwich

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

ToRelax wrote: »

Sap tank stays best tank.

Sap tanks are the tankiest tanks I've seen. Yesterday there was one just walking up to our siege and burning it as we were using it. Obviously then everyone wanted to kill him but it took about 9 people to do so, ultimates and everything. Props to the guy/gal. He couldn't do a lot of damage though, other than burn siege.

Ffastyl

What is PvP

Eh, tanks will still be around. Just need heavy armor on everything to be one. If anyone remembers 1.6 when it first came out on PTS... Pop Unstoppable while wearing full Heavy Armor and you were just that.

I could literally walk across battlefields without a care, not block, no heal, nothing but my plate.

That can still be somewhat accomplished now, its just that people know to stack a metric ton of armor penetration and damage. With the 30% increase to mitigation in Battle Spirit, it will once again be time for Heavy Armor to shine. (pun not intended)

Soris

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

Tanky players in PTS were powerful bcs no one but no single one had any clue what to do against them. As you said if someone knows how to stack ton of armor reduce on you then your armor means literally nothing as it reduced to almost zero thanks to the bugs.

In 1.7 it wil remain kinda same I believe. Even if they fix the bugs, it is so damn easy to stack 50% redux on someone. And no more nirn for spells. And no more block...
But it's better to wait for full patch notes before talking^^

Asha_Veor

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

So, great. Lets all go roll NB's and two shot eachother.

Next they will remove magicka regen in combat (yeay no more blink blinks and perma cloakers)

then health regen (Yippe! no more DK's)

then we will all be even! and all be stacking burst since sustain will be unachievable! and we can all roll around 2 shotting eachother! AWESOME


NOT.

Zsymon

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

Asha_Veor wrote: »

So, great. Lets all go roll NB's and two shot eachother.

Next they will remove magicka regen in combat (yeay no more blink blinks and perma cloakers)

then health regen (Yippe! no more DK's)

then we will all be even! and all be stacking burst since sustain will be unachievable! and we can all roll around 2 shotting eachother! AWESOME


NOT.

No more two shotting people with the 30% decreased damage output.

TheElementalPlatypus

What is PvP

I'm glad you gave ZOS an option with that 3rd choice.

Paradox

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

Curious that not a single person that voted for it being a good change haven't commented at all.

TheBucket

I always preferred my Tanks to be more of a CC machine. Soaking damage does nothing.

Master_Kas

Zsymon wrote: »

Asha_Veor wrote: »

So, great. Lets all go roll NB's and two shot eachother.

Next they will remove magicka regen in combat (yeay no more blink blinks and perma cloakers)

then health regen (Yippe! no more DK's)

then we will all be even! and all be stacking burst since sustain will be unachievable! and we can all roll around 2 shotting eachother! AWESOME


NOT.

No more two shotting people with the 30% decreased damage output.

Oh trust me there will still be twoshotting .
With My troll-sniper build I can put out over 30k in two snipes easily. Without Fully buffed even. + if the target is vamp its even easier.

Its a 30% dmg decrease as there already is a 20% atm in cyro. Check the damage on some Ppl (not the low VRs in the beginning)

http://youtu.be/QvaVIwF8aT8

Don't always play this way tough, and I know its very skilled
Only diffrence will be that it will not be as easy to pull off.

Mr_Nobody

Master_Kas wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Asha_Veor wrote: »

So, great. Lets all go roll NB's and two shot eachother.

Next they will remove magicka regen in combat (yeay no more blink blinks and perma cloakers)

then health regen (Yippe! no more DK's)

then we will all be even! and all be stacking burst since sustain will be unachievable! and we can all roll around 2 shotting eachother! AWESOME


NOT.

No more two shotting people with the 30% decreased damage output.

Oh trust me there will still be twoshotting .
With My troll-sniper build I can put out over 30k in two snipes easily. Without Fully buffed even. + if the target is vamp its even easier.

Its a 30% dmg decrease as there already is a 20% atm in cyro. Check the damage on some Ppl (not the low VRs in the beginning)

http://youtu.be/QvaVIwF8aT8

Don't always play this way tough, and I know its very skilled
Only diffrence will be that it will not be as easy to pull off.

this is exactly whats wrong with the stealth game here ~ considering this entire game was build based on daoc's balance - it has none. Stealther classes in daoc were only able to stealth after 10 seconds of non-combat and if they wanted to do it sooner (aka same as dark cloak) they had to use a 10-15min cooldown ability which would also disarm them for 15sec duration.

~ Balance,

zos has not found one.

Bashev

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

Ffastyl wrote: »

Eh, tanks will still be around. Just need heavy armor on everything to be one. If anyone remembers 1.6 when it first came out on PTS... Pop Unstoppable while wearing full Heavy Armor and you were just that.

Why should I use heavy armor when any decent player have 20k penetration? With all reinforced heavy armor + Buffs I have 29k armor and spell resistance. When someone debuff me I have 23k. I will ask again why should I use heavy if it is not for the block cost reduction? Oh I am not going to block all the time in 1.7. Better use medium or light for cheaper skills and better regens.

Leandor

Last time I checked, magicka builds were the strongest tanks in PvP... But that may be my personal opinion only.

trimsic_ESO

Bad thing to remove tanks in PvP

With the removal of stamina regeneration while blocking, the extra stamina cost of dodging twice, and the nerf to nirnhorned armor, the game will be more imbalanced than it has ever been since day 1. So called melee DPS (but the NB) will just be not viable due to the lack of damage mitigation.