Sorc Stamina Changes - Info from new AMA

Erock25

There was a ESO AMA today on reddit and I found this little nugget after someone asked about the talked about upcoming Sorc stamina changes....

[–]ZOS_EricZeniMax - Lead Combat Designer 4 points 3 hours ago
We added a high damage stamina morph of lightning form for this exact purpose. Additionally we beefed up the stamina morph of dark exchange to restore stamina faster.

A stamina morph for Lightning Form, especially if high damage as noted, could be interesting. But a beefed up dark exchange stamina morph is ABSOLUTELY NOT what a Stamina Sorc needs. Please ZOS, you have been talking about these changes ever since 1.6 hit the PTS servers, DO NOT royally screw them up. A better Dark Exchange stamina morph is not the answer. Sorc Suggestion for Overall Class Balance are my personal suggestions but they do include changes across the board as making Stamina specific changes in a vacuum are a bad idea. At the least, please give a way to gain additional stamina regen during combat and give us a class ability that scales on stamina that can complement a Wrecking Blow based build or surpass it.

RoyJade

They are still thinking that dark exchange is a good skill ? With an instant exchange perhaps, but with a toogle who wait one second before doing anything…
And more stamina bach didn't do any more damage, so the problem is the same : if there is no other change, even with this new lightning form stam sorc will still be bad. I hope they are planning other changes.

Lynx7386

Sorcs have the benefit of not needing to run two handed for major brutality, due to surge. If they really are adding a stamina morph for lightning form, sorcs will become possibly the best dual wield characters in the game - surge for the brutality buff, lightning form + blade cloak + fan of knives or steel tornado, you'll be able to take down large mobs of enemies effortlessly.

Personally, i think that they need to make one of the daedric mines morphs use stamina, and maybe one of the bolt escape morphs. Those would both compliment the above dual wield build really well, with bolt escape being a closing ability like critical rush, and daedric mines to add more aoe damage when you pull that group of enemies to you.

Erock25

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Sorcs have the benefit of not needing to run two handed for major brutality, due to surge. If they really are adding a stamina morph for lightning form, sorcs will become possibly the best dual wield characters in the game - surge for the brutality buff, lightning form + blade cloak + fan of knives or steel tornado, you'll be able to take down large mobs of enemies effortlessly.

Personally, i think that they need to make one of the daedric mines morphs use stamina, and maybe one of the bolt escape morphs. Those would both compliment the above dual wield build really well, with bolt escape being a closing ability like critical rush, and daedric mines to add more aoe damage when you pull that group of enemies to you.

As long as wrecking blow spam does more dps single target than rapid strikes, all PVE stam sorc builds should have 2h anyways, and Rally is much better than Critical Surge (duration and reliable and on demand burst heals).

I love using Daedric Minefield on my magicka Sorc in PVP, but mines are bad for PVE. Bosses get an immunity to them so that they only take dmg from one at a time within 2-3 seconds. In PVE they are personal space deniers and in PVE they are garbage, and a stamina sorc needs neither of those.

Stamina costing bolt escape with all the other defensive benefits of high stamina and stamina regen build would be too much. Plus, both current version are very useful and IMO needed for magicka specs.

Crescent

Can you at least link the reddit thread, if not the post?

Erock25

Crescent wrote: »

Can you at least link the reddit thread, if not the post?

Probably a good idea. Here it is and I'll also add it to OP.

RoyJade

Surge cost a lot too much to be competitive at the moment, and his additional effect isn't good at all if you use dot (lightning form). So, for the moment, no real change, but let' see.

exiledtyrant

So they are tackling a core skill instead of bringing something new. Fair enough as long as the improved lightning form also comes with a way to make the sorcerer sticky in melee range. Encase is not the answer. The dark exchange thing is weird after seeing all the feedback given. Stamina regen is not an issue. Regen is absolutely out of control and giving sorcerers an ability to regen stamina even faster is moot. My hybrid is at 800 stamina regen and is almost always topped off and my full stamina builds needed nothing more than 1200 to be useable. Very easy to reach numbers that get even more insane as the CP system progresses. Enhanced regen is not a defining trait or even useful if everyone has it.

Otherwise I am still hopeful. Maybe this news it's what pulls me back in after my almost 1 month break from the game. Should I be getting excited?

Runefell

Bleh. I was putting my sorc on hold for a while and leveling up a DK instead while I waited for the stamina fixes, as she is khajiit, sneaky, and I wanted a stamina build for her. But if that's all that's going to happen, maybe I'll just flip her to a breton or something when the race changes become available and go full magicka.

Armann

Dark Deal needs to be instant while not preventing movement and ability use, channeling is fine as long as it's happening in the background without interference. I would've preferred a conjured ward stamina morph with a stamina regen attached while active instead of lightning form, oh well I guess they've made up their minds.

Erock25

We've been waiting since February to hear what these proposed stamina sorc changes are and a beefed up dark deal is not the answer. Did all the people wanting to play stamina sorc quit or something?

Lynx7386

A Stam version of encase would be nice too. I'm loving that ability for my Stam sorc archer

dsalter

Erock25 wrote: »

We've been waiting since February to hear what these proposed stamina sorc changes are and a beefed up dark deal is not the answer. Did all the people wanting to play stamina sorc quit or something?

i'm still here. i'v posted a responce that would be better suited, hopefully zeni read it

Cathexis

@Erock25 I tried 10 different builds, but ultimately I quit. As I said before, Stam sorcs are basically underpowered nightblades without cloak.

I've posted this many times before but stan sorcs need:

Stamina bolt escape morph -- currently stam sorcs rely heavily on one bol and dodge rolls
Stamina scaling hardened ward -- currently stam sorcs have no effective defensive spells
Long range stamina attack -- currently we are bow dependent for long range stamina attacks

Generally, sorcs need:
Instant dark deal and instant morphs -- currently no good combat based recovery
A complete overhaul of the summoning tree

NotSo

I wish Dark Exchange/Conversion was changed from a 4 second toggle to maybe a press and wait 4 seconds for the trade. Then it'd let you keep fighting but it'd also really mess you up if you have god awful timing and you lose all your magicka/stamina. Risk/Reward FTW

Crescent

Erock25 wrote: »

We've been waiting since February to hear what these proposed stamina sorc changes are and a beefed up dark deal is not the answer. Did all the people wanting to play stamina sorc quit or something?

People got tired of waiting over a year just for simple class tweaks only to see nerf after nerf due to pvp for sorcerers while DK's and Nightblades continued to thrive with positive changes. So many people quit.

Doesn't help the game has been empty of new content since they've withheld new releases for almost half a year just to release it as DLC under the new B2P console release model.