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P3ZZL3

So, here I sit with a Breton Templar and a Breton Sorc. I'm working on putting together a couple of characters for PVE and PVP. However, I'm now at that junction in ESO Life where I question whether I can really be bothered grinding out 2 more v14's.

I mean, I really would like to try say a Redguard/Imperial Templar but...... well.... you know the thought process.

Getting to v1 is fine, takes a couple of nights maybe 3. I know the grind spots etc. But do I want to do another 14 million points after that. It's a LOT of time and more importantly, complete boredom.

So I suppose my question to you guys is:

What could ZOS implement to assist people who want a new v14 to play with but just cant stomach going through the 14 million point grind?

@ZOS_GinaBruno & Co. - I'd really appreciate some input from you guys on this as well. Thoughts, practical discussion on it? Is there even a solution?

Edited by P3ZZL3: Just for reference, I joined in January 2015.

Faulgor

What could ZOS do?
They could hurry the horker up and remove the Shor-damn vet ranks.

Nifty2g

Vet Grind is faster than ever if you know how to do it

wayfarerb14_ESO

OR! You can ignore grinding and enjoy the ride. You don't have to be vr14 to participate in PvP. My sorc hasn't even finished the 4th questing zone, and she's already vr2. All I do with her is PvP, with the occasional cyrodiil daily quest cycle for cp. If I didn't have several other toons (two of which are vr14), she would probably be a higher vr rank by now. There are lots of ways to play this game. If you like grinding, then go for it. If you like questing, go for it. I like to PvP, so that's how I level my toons.

The point is, you don't have to be vr14 to PvP.

sadownik

wayfarerb14_ESO wrote: »

OR! You can ignore grinding and enjoy the ride. You don't have to be vr14 to participate in PvP. My sorc hasn't even finished the 4th questing zone, and she's already vr2. All I do with her is PvP, with the occasional cyrodiil daily quest cycle for cp. If I didn't have several other toons (two of which are vr14), she would probably be a higher vr rank by now. There are lots of ways to play this game. If you like grinding, then go for it. If you like questing, go for it. I like to PvP, so that's how I level my toons.

The point is, you don't have to be vr14 to PvP.

You are right you can enter pvp as fast as getting to lvl 10. But in veteran campaigns its v 14 or you are f'ed.

I know, i know you can contribute at lower lvl. You can spam heals and purge, you can spam siege shield and rapid manouvers and deploy siege. But where is the fun in it if you still die in 1-2 seconds from v 14 players. is it fun for you? It certainly isnt much fun for me.

P3ZZL3

I would agree with the removal of the Vet system, but I have no idea how they compensate this with the gears/item sets.

and @wayfarerb14_ESO this is one of the reasons to push to v14 - it's the additional gear you can wear. i.e. Cyrodils Light.

And @Nifty2g I know many speak of Crackwood. Just a shame it's in a horrible position for DC

@sadownik Nail on the head Sir.

Nifty2g

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

I would agree with the removal of the Vet system, but I have no idea how they compensate this with the gears/item sets.

and @wayfarerb14_ESO this is one of the reasons to push to v14 - it's the additional gear you can wear. i.e. Cyrodils Light.

And @Nifty2g I know many speak of Crackwood. Just a shame it's in a horrible position for DC

@sadownik Nail on the head Sir.

I'm DC and I don't use cracked wood

leshpar

I personally like the veteran system. I am not against its removal if ZOS adds something that's more fun, but I do NOT want to see everyone just being VR14 when they hit level 50 and having access to all the best gear right as they start cadwell's silver.

P3ZZL3

I agree @leshpar - but then to run through 14 MILLION points to make it, when you have 2 other chars is ... well .... freaking boring

MCMancub

sadownik wrote: »

wayfarerb14_ESO wrote: »

OR! You can ignore grinding and enjoy the ride. You don't have to be vr14 to participate in PvP. My sorc hasn't even finished the 4th questing zone, and she's already vr2. All I do with her is PvP, with the occasional cyrodiil daily quest cycle for cp. If I didn't have several other toons (two of which are vr14), she would probably be a higher vr rank by now. There are lots of ways to play this game. If you like grinding, then go for it. If you like questing, go for it. I like to PvP, so that's how I level my toons.

The point is, you don't have to be vr14 to PvP.

You are right you can enter pvp as fast as getting to lvl 10. But in veteran campaigns its v 14 or you are f'ed.

I know, i know you can contribute at lower lvl. You can spam heals and purge, you can spam siege shield and rapid manouvers and deploy siege. But where is the fun in it if you still die in 1-2 seconds from v 14 players. is it fun for you? It certainly isnt much fun for me.

This happens even when you're V14. You contribute almost as much before V14 as you do when you become V14. It's this stupid "the game doesn't start before V14" mentality that drives everyone to hating the "veteran grind". Just enjoy the game.

mtwiggz

I have two VR14 characters. One was leveled with the old XP system, the newest one with the current XP system - before all of the grind spot nerfs.

I'm currently working on my third VR character. He's sitting at VR4. With the 10% subscription and 10% marriage XP buff it is still a long and boring process. We're averaging about one VR level every two nights of grinding. Perhaps 2-3 hours a night or so, a few nights a week when we have time. It may not seem like a long time - but while grinding it seems like ages. Those 2-3 hours seem like 12-13 hours.

I've said this in many threads and the feedback has always been split, but I would love to see a Crown Store item that offers a VR14 boost to a character. You can even add stipulations; Must have one VR14 character already, must have character to at least VR1 to use, can only use once per 'x' amount of time, etc. In my opinion it wouldn't be pay to win, as you're not gaining an advantage over any other player - as any player can grind XP. It would be a convenience item, taking away the endless hours of grinding.

The removal of VR levels is taking incredibly too long, if it's even planned to happen anymore. The grind is just too much for players without a lot of play time. I'd rather be able to reach end game and PvP or PvE than waste the few hours a night a few days a week I actually get to play grinding endless mobs or quests.

Cously

Make the characters the way you want and only improve the riding skill and craft researching. Let them parked in low levels for now. Put a time threshold that you can wait for removal of VR ranks. 6 months. 1 year.

MCMancub

mtwiggz wrote: »

The removal of VR levels is taking incredibly too long, if it's even planned to happen anymore. The grind is just too much for players without a lot of play time. I'd rather be able to reach end game and PvP or PvE than waste the few hours a night a few days a week I actually get to play grinding endless mobs or quests.

The only reason it's "taking incredibly too long" is because of player impatience. I would much rather them take their time and do it right.

P3ZZL3

@mtwiggz I for one, am not a supporter of the Crown Store in general - never have been - and certainly not when it comes to "Pay 2 Win". But I have to say, experiencing and looking at the daunting element of grinding up a character again just really doesn't appeal. So much so, I would prob. even consider just moving on to another new MMO and I'm prob. not alone in that thought process.

That all being said, as long as there were certain stipulations towards "buying" the boost to v14 - as you say you must have at least 1 v14 character, or maybe even 2 or 3 - It would be something for those who are genuinely trying to avoid the endless grind rather than speed to v14.

leibnizlq

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ItsMeToo

It would be P2W, so NO.

djyrb

mtwiggz wrote: »

I've said this in many threads and the feedback has always been split, but I would love to see a Crown Store item that offers a VR14 boost to a character. You can even add stipulations; Must have one VR14 character already, must have character to at least VR1 to use, can only use once per 'x' amount of time, etc. In my opinion it wouldn't be pay to win, as you're not gaining an advantage over any other player - as any player can grind XP. It would be a convenience item, taking away the endless hours of grinding .

One issue I see with that (besides it being viewed as "P2W" by the community) is where does that potential 14 million XP go? After I leveled my first max level character a year ago, I now make it a point to level every single weapon/armor line and often multiple morphs of skills on the way up to VR14.

I figure one never knows when a skill might be changed/buffed/nerfed etc, so I might as well put that XP to good use, and make respeccing a viable option at endgame, instead of leveling a one-trick pony like I did with my first character.

Zheg

There have been literally dozens of threads on the problems of leveling through veteran ranks right now, including one that summarized said threads and provided links to most of them. They're all ignored and didn't get a single ZOS reply - except for forum moderation. Gina and friends obviously aren't allowed to comment on it, so if you (and the super majority of other players) think it's a problem, the correct feedback to be giving ZOS is to allow their community managers more room to address topics and discuss important issues.

I remember MONTHS ago having recently leveled an alt that I wanted to play, and wondering if I should just push through the vet ranks or wait until they removed them, as we didn't have a time line on that other than "soon" followed by "eventually". A few months later, with it looking like vet levels will be around until Autumn, I'm glad I decided not to wait, but still bitter that they've left the XP problems in place with no band-aid fixes to make it less painful while we wait.

Bottom line, if you want to play those characters before at least August, then start grinding.

wayfarerb14_ESO

sadownik wrote: »

wayfarerb14_ESO wrote: »

OR! You can ignore grinding and enjoy the ride. You don't have to be vr14 to participate in PvP. My sorc hasn't even finished the 4th questing zone, and she's already vr2. All I do with her is PvP, with the occasional cyrodiil daily quest cycle for cp. If I didn't have several other toons (two of which are vr14), she would probably be a higher vr rank by now. There are lots of ways to play this game. If you like grinding, then go for it. If you like questing, go for it. I like to PvP, so that's how I level my toons.

The point is, you don't have to be vr14 to PvP.

You are right you can enter pvp as fast as getting to lvl 10. But in veteran campaigns its v 14 or you are f'ed.

I know, i know you can contribute at lower lvl. You can spam heals and purge, you can spam siege shield and rapid manouvers and deploy siege. But where is the fun in it if you still die in 1-2 seconds from v 14 players. is it fun for you? It certainly isnt much fun for me.

Like MCMancub said, this can happen on a maxed out toon as well. Again, I got all my toons leveled through PvP. I feel it gave me the chance to know the strengths and weaknesses of my characters. Plenty of my friends also have low vr toons who can wreck a vr 14 1v1. It's not about being max level in order to compete- it's about knowing your toon, anticipating what the enemy will do, and using your skill to take advantage of what you have to work with.

@P3ZZL3
Sure, the maxed out gear is isn't available just yet, but there are plenty of lower vr gear sets to choose from, so saying you want max level for the best gear is maybe a little unimaginative. There are actually quite a few sets that look pretty awesome, but aren't available at max level (ex. Akatosh's Blessed Armor, Sanctuary). Bonus, since so many people prefer to grind through to max level, most of these low level items are dirt cheap. Play around with the sets as you level, maybe you'll find a combination that works better for your playstyle than the latest fotm said you should use.

If you're determined not to have fun with your toon until you reach max level, well, there's nothing we can do to stop you. I am 100% against being able to buy a vr14 toon from the crown store- with or without restrictions. If you don't want to grind, then don't. Just play the game.

retyler3_ESO

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

I would agree with the removal of the Vet system, but I have no idea how they compensate this with the gears/item sets.

They will probably remove the Vet levels when they release a major DLC or an expansion; I'm thinking a major DLC. This way they can raise the level cap and say for every X amount of Veteran level you receive one level with the max level being 55. I would do every 3 veteran levels to one level. Yes, that means people would still have to level from 54 to 55. I would then release an expansion 3 months later that raise the level cap from 55 to 60. This would allow people time to play around at level 55 and allow people to reach level 55 before the expansion came out.

Sharee

Leveled two alts(after main) to v14 almost exclusively through cyrodiil quest hubs. Isn't too bad. I would be doing those anyway for the champion XP, so the normal XP on those alts is basically just a bonus.

psufan5

I wouldn't mind leveling if my alt gained CP points as he leveled. As it is right now, its pretty stupid that he doesn't.

Farorin

leshpar wrote: »

I personally like the veteran system. I am not against its removal if ZOS adds something that's more fun, but I do NOT want to see everyone just being VR14 when they hit level 50 and having access to all the best gear right as they start cadwell's silver.

The champion system was intended to be what is replacing the vet system.

I cannot wait for them to remove vet ranks, seriously, get them out of here. It will fix a lot of problems, and help with a lot of gameplay issues and complaints.

Epona222

Well what I would like is more questing zones

(Friendly tip, it is your - you're is a contraction of 'you are')

snorlockb16_ESO

wayfarerb14_ESO wrote: »

OR! You can ignore grinding and enjoy the ride. You don't have to be vr14 to participate in PvP. My sorc hasn't even finished the 4th questing zone, and she's already vr2. All I do with her is PvP, with the occasional cyrodiil daily quest cycle for cp. If I didn't have several other toons (two of which are vr14), she would probably be a higher vr rank by now. There are lots of ways to play this game. If you like grinding, then go for it. If you like questing, go for it. I like to PvP, so that's how I level my toons.

The point is, you don't have to be vr14 to PvP.

If you have two other vr14 characters then your new sorc started with at least 140 Cp. Not everyone has that. Just sayin'.

I'd like to see the enlightenment extend to experience. It would cut the time to level a new VR by a third if you only play a few nights a week. If you grind 12 hours every day the enlightenment would only be good temporarily.

wayfarerb14_ESO

@snorlockb16_ESO, actually, I think she only had around 80 or so when I started her (if you remember, they only gave us 70 cp no matter how many vr 14 toons we had). Actually, that's part of the fun of having her- I can earn cp for her and my other toons as I level her.

IcyDeadPeople

wayfarerb14_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

wayfarerb14_ESO wrote: »

OR! You can ignore grinding and enjoy the ride. You don't have to be vr14 to participate in PvP. My sorc hasn't even finished the 4th questing zone, and she's already vr2. All I do with her is PvP, with the occasional cyrodiil daily quest cycle for cp. If I didn't have several other toons (two of which are vr14), she would probably be a higher vr rank by now. There are lots of ways to play this game. If you like grinding, then go for it. If you like questing, go for it. I like to PvP, so that's how I level my toons.

The point is, you don't have to be vr14 to PvP.

You are right you can enter pvp as fast as getting to lvl 10. But in veteran campaigns its v 14 or you are f'ed.

I know, i know you can contribute at lower lvl. You can spam heals and purge, you can spam siege shield and rapid manouvers and deploy siege. But where is the fun in it if you still die in 1-2 seconds from v 14 players. is it fun for you? It certainly isnt much fun for me.

Like MCMancub said, this can happen on a maxed out toon as well. Again, I got all my toons leveled through PvP. I feel it gave me the chance to know the strengths and weaknesses of my characters. Plenty of my friends also have low vr toons who can wreck a vr 14 1v1. It's not about being max level in order to compete- it's about knowing your toon, anticipating what the enemy will do, and using your skill to take advantage of what you have to work with.

@P3ZZL3
Sure, the maxed out gear is isn't available just yet, but there are plenty of lower vr gear sets to choose from, so saying you want max level for the best gear is maybe a little unimaginative. There are actually quite a few sets that look pretty awesome, but aren't available at max level (ex. Akatosh's Blessed Armor, Sanctuary). Bonus, since so many people prefer to grind through to max level, most of these low level items are dirt cheap. Play around with the sets as you level, maybe you'll find a combination that works better for your playstyle than the latest fotm said you should use.

If you're determined not to have fun with your toon until you reach max level, well, there's nothing we can do to stop you. I am 100% against being able to buy a vr14 toon from the crown store- with or without restrictions. If you don't want to grind, then don't. Just play the game.

My sympathies if you leveled multiple characters to V14 through PVP.

At launch I leveled two characters from 10 up to VR5 and VR4 through PVP and this took me around 4 1/2 months, compared to grinding in PVE which used to take about 1 week or less to go from Wailing Prison to V12.

XP from player kills was recently improved along with the XP for various Cyrodiil quests; however, it's still a glacial pace compared to PVE grinding, especially from V1 to V14.

Played quite a lot of hours on lowbie characters in Cyrodiil with crap gear, not in Blackwater Blade but Auriel's Bow, Hopesfire, Wabbajack, Thornblade, etc. At the time, you could often kill higher level enemies even if they had good gear; however these days there are many more skilled players who know how to block, how to break CC, etc., and they are dealing much higher damage and often have good sustain with removal of softcaps.

Can't speak for others but in my case, it feels like a waste of gold or AP to buy or upgrade anything other than V12 - V14 gear. That's when I can finally put together the build for that character and test different armor sets in Cyrodiil.

Nestor

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

What could ZOS implement to assist people who want a new v14 to play with but just cant stomach going through the 14 million point grind?

I have ESO Plus and I have to say that I am gaining Exp faster than I ever have before. I have a VR6 almost VR7 who is just finishing the 3rd Zone of Silver, and a VR9 1/2 who just finished the 3rd zone of Gold. I expect both of these to be at VR14 by the time of, or even before I complete Gold on them. Well, the current VR9 might not get all the way to VR14, but she did not have all the ESO plus during VR Leveling. So, it's not as bad a grind as you are thinking. But, this is questing through the zones which can be a grind in another way if you have already done this on two other characters. It's not that hard to gain or almost gain 2 VR ranks per zone, with just a little Public or Mob Grinding thrown in.

I honestly think that if I started a character today, I could be at VR14 early in Gold. With only a normal amount of Grinding, especially if you duo'd it. I also keep it fresh by rotating through my characters so each is parked for about 3 weeks to a month. This makes them more fresh when I do quest with them.

I do wish there were other ways to grind it out, but it's not as bad as it was before the VR changes when the upper VR ranks took millions of Exp for each level.

The_Drexill

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vet Grind is faster than ever if you know how to do it

This is untrue. I know some stuff, but it in no way beats pre-nerf Rkund or grinds like it. It's slow and most important, boring now.

Victus

Yeah playing the alt game and staggering their xp gains isn't a bad way to go about it, providing you are having fun with them. My DK stam build just hit VR1 in Coldharbor and I am having a blast playing him. Starting doing pledges and that should help with xp too. My main is only VR9 and tank spec, so needless to say the levelling process is a bit slow for him.

AlnilamE

Yeah, with ESO plus, 14 million becomes 12.7 million.

Anyway, I have two VR characters that I am leveling (V5 Templar and V7 sorc). I alternate between them for questing (and between a couple of my low level characters that I take to guild events).

I also decided to start doing vet dungeons with them, so as part of my fundraising for Extra Life, I'm going to donate a dollar for each gold key they get from now till they hit V14 (or until November, whichever comes first - but if they both get to V14 before Extra Life weekend, I will make sure one of my other toons is at VR to continue the challenge.)

I tend to think of their leveling more in terms of earning Champion Points, and it's amazing how many you accumulate when you are not looking.