Fear is OP

Domander

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Out of all the "OP" class skills, though, Fear is (by far) the one that causes the most misery in its NPC version. I don't ever remember a mob trying to Streak-stun me or kill me with a Jesus Beam! Mobs using Flame Lash stand still when they do it, so all you have to do is walk around them, LOL.

The Fear effect, on the other hand, is whole different story. Mobs who have it tend to use it over and over... it's so annoying! I've tried so hard to make an effective Magicka build for my Sorc that ALSO has the ability to roll dodge Fear spells at will, and it's just not possible, at least not with my paltry 170 CP.

I guess can understand why the devs "recycle" player skills as NPC attacks to conserve development resources, but making Fear unblockable is basically giving a boss mechanic to random hedge wizards and no-name worm cultists. Come on, man!

I don't completely agree, eclipse spam and negate from npcs is as bad. (If you're magicka)

trimsic_ESO

jelliedsoup wrote: »

My game at the moment, invasion, talons, flame lash.

Sometimes it'll be streak, or radiant destruction.

Anyway, fear is OP.

I don't think fear is OP. But sometimes we can't break the fear (bug?) and the immunity timer is too short.

Igawotch

Yeah every class but nightblade should be 1 button win

Snit

Some people just hate that other classes have good abilities, or even abilities that force a slight change in build or approach.

themdogesbite

Fear forces 3 (!) players to drop their block, give said three enemies a 50% slow for 4 seconds, and make them deal 15% less damage. If it was on a single player it would be a bit more resonable and still way to strong, but 3 players is just.. lol.

Sensesfail13

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

Emma_Overload

Domander wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Out of all the "OP" class skills, though, Fear is (by far) the one that causes the most misery in its NPC version. I don't ever remember a mob trying to Streak-stun me or kill me with a Jesus Beam! Mobs using Flame Lash stand still when they do it, so all you have to do is walk around them, LOL.

The Fear effect, on the other hand, is whole different story. Mobs who have it tend to use it over and over... it's so annoying! I've tried so hard to make an effective Magicka build for my Sorc that ALSO has the ability to roll dodge Fear spells at will, and it's just not possible, at least not with my paltry 170 CP.

I guess can understand why the devs "recycle" player skills as NPC attacks to conserve development resources, but making Fear unblockable is basically giving a boss mechanic to random hedge wizards and no-name worm cultists. Come on, man!

I don't completely agree, eclipse spam and negate from npcs is as bad. (If you're magicka)

Which NPCs use Eclipse? I'm just curious. Negate is annoying, but the NPCs who use it - the Bloody Judge in Shadowfen, for example - can only cast it every now and and then, not every 4 seconds like Fear.

Rylana

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Are people REALLY complaining about flame lash??? GTFO it is literally the only DK damage skill worth a damn and that is why people use it and you want to be able to roll away from it when the damage is negligible to begin with. GTFO you newbs.

"only DK damage skill worth a damn"

"damage is negligible"

uh...

Sensesfail13

Yes @Rylana Just what we need, comments from a cheater.

Rylana

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Yes @Rylana Just what we need, comments from a cheater.

It is not cheating to take an enemy scroll and try to farm it at their gate. Not my fault I died to guards because no one wanted to help. The AP would have been somewhat mediocre, given the 10 blues that play haderus.

but noooo, all the AD just wanted to trololol and zerg the map and ignore the epic farm I was setting up for all

Also your tears are so goddamned delicious dude, to this day youre still butthurt your pathetic guild was never as good as mine on early Haderus. Bawwwww

Whats that? Oh I heard a resource was flipped on Had by the reds, better get on the batphone and call in 100 people to take care of it right away. I heard the red that took it was so good he soloed it all by himself. Gonna need 100 for that guy for sure.

Sensesfail13

*Yawn* funny you knew exactly what I meant by cheating... if the label fits.

And btw, I only know your name because youre such a horrendous person, I could care less about your guild. Its people like you that ruin pvp for all. (And not because you think you are good)

Rylana

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

*Yawn* funny you knew exactly what I meant by cheating... if the label fits.

Oh the 20 or so hate tells and zone posts regarding the subject your guild spammed at me made the connection pretty easy to assume.

So much mad, such wow. Now lets talk about AD using teleport strike and dragonleap to enter bleakers and sejanus....

Sensesfail13

Wrong forum for this but I didnt send any hate, and its all reportable and EP/DC do it as well as AD so lets not try to put it on one alliance. Have fun with THAT particular subject, its been known since the games inception and has yet to be fixed.

Such a sad little person.

EnOeZ

Valymer wrote: »

Flame lash un-dodge-rollable

Fear unblockable

Radiant Destruction un-terrainable

Nice game design

100% agree so wonderful, clever and inspiring design..........
Did the designer quit for Riot or any other company already ? I wish he had

And I will not speak about the Stamina / Heavy Armor / Full melee PVP "design"...
Since we are a tiny minority... of course we are I wish ZOS would have understood why since then or would have read my previous threads.

Sharee

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Sensesfail13

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Go try it out then buddy, because it is entirely true. Thanks for your input though.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

What is more annoying with fear is that 1) sometimes you can't cc break at all when those pewpew nb's try to 1shot you and 2) even if you pay attention and you see you re feared and cc break you re stuck in your current bar without being able to switch bars instantly which usually means you re dead if you re on the wrong bar. And it's a bit tad op whether nb's want to admit it or not ...3 player unblockable cc. But my main problem is the responsiveness when you try to cc break not the spell it self.

Domander

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Out of all the "OP" class skills, though, Fear is (by far) the one that causes the most misery in its NPC version. I don't ever remember a mob trying to Streak-stun me or kill me with a Jesus Beam! Mobs using Flame Lash stand still when they do it, so all you have to do is walk around them, LOL.

The Fear effect, on the other hand, is whole different story. Mobs who have it tend to use it over and over... it's so annoying! I've tried so hard to make an effective Magicka build for my Sorc that ALSO has the ability to roll dodge Fear spells at will, and it's just not possible, at least not with my paltry 170 CP.

I guess can understand why the devs "recycle" player skills as NPC attacks to conserve development resources, but making Fear unblockable is basically giving a boss mechanic to random hedge wizards and no-name worm cultists. Come on, man!

I don't completely agree, eclipse spam and negate from npcs is as bad. (If you're magicka)

Which NPCs use Eclipse? I'm just curious. Negate is annoying, but the NPCs who use it - the Bloody Judge in Shadowfen, for example - can only cast it every now and and then, not every 4 seconds like Fear.

The guards in pvp. It's constantly being spammed with an unblockable CC that really sucks if you're magicka, but if stamina not so much.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Go try it out then buddy, because it is entirely true. Thanks for your input though.

Nope sorry not true, I have gotten cc immunity every time I break free from fear and so do the people I use fear on. If you believe hard enough though maybe it becomes true. Anything that makes you believe its the games fault you lost and not your own. No I don't need to "try it out" I lived pvp last campaign and got into the top 10(got my gold master weapon), so please find your own solution to that issue cause its not the rest of us having that problem.

Sharee

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Go try it out then buddy, because it is entirely true. Thanks for your input though.

CC break alwyas grants CC immunity. I've been 'trying it out' since early access.

You are probably confusing this with the issue that not breaking out of fear and waiting it out did not give you CC immunity after fear expired like it should. But that one got fixed a few patches back IIRC.

JonzzLonewolf

Fear is OP because it causes a severe disorder that allows you to walk on air to the heavens....till you drop dead and fall back onto Tamriel.

Sensesfail13

lol You can all claim it gives you cc immunity but it doesnt, its bugged and does not give you cc immunity if the skill is broken before it has time to run its course.

Im not confusing anything, not being able to break free is a seperate issue altogether and you obviously arent feared enough to know the difference, have fun with that forum warriors.

Sensesfail13

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Go try it out then buddy, because it is entirely true. Thanks for your input though.

CC break alwyas grants CC immunity. I've been 'trying it out' since early access.

You are probably confusing this with the issue that not breaking out of fear and waiting it out did not give you CC immunity after fear expired like it should. But that one got fixed a few patches back IIRC.

And Ive been around since early access as well what the flying hell does that have to do with the fear cc immunity bug that has been around since 1.6 ??? Oh, wait, it has nothing to do with the bug that has been around for 3 months you are trying to lord that youve been playing the game for a year. WhoopdefrilluppingDO Ive been around since beta as well, noone cares, what people do care about is the skills working correctly and fear cc immunity is bugged if you dont let it run its course, thanks for playing, try again.

Sensesfail13

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Go try it out then buddy, because it is entirely true. Thanks for your input though.

Nope sorry not true, I have gotten cc immunity every time I break free from fear and so do the people I use fear on. If you believe hard enough though maybe it becomes true. Anything that makes you believe its the games fault you lost and not your own. No I don't need to "try it out" I lived pvp last campaign and got into the top 10(got my gold master weapon), so please find your own solution to that issue cause its not the rest of us having that problem.

Again, what does getting into the top 10 in pvp have to do with the price of rice in china??? Nobody cares and it doesnt validate your argument. Ive been in the top 10 plenty of times in pvp and Ill tell you it takes no skill its all in how much time you waste and farm ap, youre no better than anybody else, you just waste more time. You do NOT get cc immunity if you break fear EARLY, if it runs its course you DO. Apparently youre not having it spammed on you in close quarters but eh Ill leave you with your ill gotten thoughts.

Emma_Overload

Domander wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Out of all the "OP" class skills, though, Fear is (by far) the one that causes the most misery in its NPC version. I don't ever remember a mob trying to Streak-stun me or kill me with a Jesus Beam! Mobs using Flame Lash stand still when they do it, so all you have to do is walk around them, LOL.

The Fear effect, on the other hand, is whole different story. Mobs who have it tend to use it over and over... it's so annoying! I've tried so hard to make an effective Magicka build for my Sorc that ALSO has the ability to roll dodge Fear spells at will, and it's just not possible, at least not with my paltry 170 CP.

I guess can understand why the devs "recycle" player skills as NPC attacks to conserve development resources, but making Fear unblockable is basically giving a boss mechanic to random hedge wizards and no-name worm cultists. Come on, man!

I don't completely agree, eclipse spam and negate from npcs is as bad. (If you're magicka)

Which NPCs use Eclipse? I'm just curious. Negate is annoying, but the NPCs who use it - the Bloody Judge in Shadowfen, for example - can only cast it every now and and then, not every 4 seconds like Fear.

The guards in pvp. It's constantly being spammed with an unblockable CC that really sucks if you're magicka, but if stamina not so much.

AH... I forgot about those guys! Thanks for the heads up.

Sharee

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Dont forget that the CC immunity after being CC'ed doesnt work with fear unless you let the entire skill run its course and by that time youre fried and or dead, or that you cant block while feared, or that you can do nothing to avoid or block incoming fear for 3 people and it is spammable (and as mentioned above you dont get cc immunity if you break free so they can keep spamming you with fear) OH and its not broken on damage like Petrify or most other complete cc's in the game.

"I dont think fear is OP" Pfffff think a little before you post.

This is not true. You always get CC immunity after using break free, regardless of what effect you break from, and fear is no exception.

Go try it out then buddy, because it is entirely true. Thanks for your input though.

CC break alwyas grants CC immunity. I've been 'trying it out' since early access.

You are probably confusing this with the issue that not breaking out of fear and waiting it out did not give you CC immunity after fear expired like it should. But that one got fixed a few patches back IIRC.

And Ive been around since early access as well what the flying hell does that have to do with the fear cc immunity bug that has been around since 1.6 ??? Oh, wait, it has nothing to do with the bug that has been around for 3 months you are trying to lord that youve been playing the game for a year. WhoopdefrilluppingDO Ive been around since beta as well, noone cares, what people do care about is the skills working correctly and fear cc immunity is bugged if you dont let it run its course, thanks for playing, try again.

2 seconds into the following video, the red DK gets feared, uses CC break, and you can clearly see the white CC immunity swirls around his feet.

https://youtu.be/pwUuL1-utQk

Sensesfail13

lol did you try to fear him again? As I said, it was bugged, and a 6 second video doesnt prove anything. To prove your point you look at the white swirls around their feet??? You clearly have fear on your bar, and rather than prove me wrong by testing it by trying to fear him again you clip and end the video.

Sharee

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

lol did you try to fear him again? As I said, it was bugged, and a 6 second video doesnt prove anything. To prove your point you look at the white swirls around their feet??? You clearly have fear on your bar, and rather than prove me wrong by testing it by trying to fear him again you clip and end the video.

In the following clip, i do nothing but use fear 3 times.

First use (0:01) fears the DK. I wait until he CC breaks it.
Second fear (0:04) has no effect (as expected, he still has the swirls under his feet). I roll dodge his attack.
3rd fear (0:07) has no effect again.

https://youtu.be/bVUpx-C7PIA

You're welcome.

bowmanz607

sorry i will never agree with this. fear is the only way to CC a perma-blocker or else you would never damage them. moreover, a stam build can break out of it easily. immovable will counter it. just because you dont know how to fight against it does not mean it is OP. In fact, ZOS stated that it is working as intended and that they like it as an extra element on the battlefield that makes things more interesting. not to mention most NB are single target so when getting attacked by more than one person fear gives them a chance to escape. DK has self heal and aoe to help them escape. Templars have great self heals to survive. both temp/dk typically can take more damage too. Sorcs can streak away. when a nb is surrounded cloack wont work so a fear then cloak allows for enough time to escape.

as for radiant purge the dame thing. for flame block them instead of dodge. you have to adapt to the player not call everything OP. imo

Milky

Sharee wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

lol did you try to fear him again? As I said, it was bugged, and a 6 second video doesnt prove anything. To prove your point you look at the white swirls around their feet??? You clearly have fear on your bar, and rather than prove me wrong by testing it by trying to fear him again you clip and end the video.

In the following clip, i do nothing but use fear 3 times.

First use (0:01) fears the DK. I wait until he CC breaks it.
Second fear (0:04) has no effect (as expected, he still has the swirls under his feet). I roll dodge his attack.
3rd fear (0:07) has no effect again.

https://youtu.be/bVUpx-C7PIA

You're welcome.

I'm not so sure your second 2 were in range, I'm new to using fear, but mine never land from that range, I have to be right on top of someone.

@ Other Post - I have had multiple fears land on me after a CC break, but I'm not sure it has to do with fear, I think it's any CC. I've been hit by other stuns when I've just popped CC break.