Fear is OP

jelliedsoup

My game at the moment, invasion, talons, flame lash.

Sometimes it'll be streak, or radiant destruction.

Anyway, fear is OP.

Valymer

Flame lash un-dodge-rollable

Fear unblockable

Radiant Destruction un-terrainable

Nice game design

arena25

I'm afraid i do not follow. What is going on?

TheBull

Valymer wrote: »

Flame lash un-dodge-rollable

Fear unblockable

Radiant Destruction un-terrainable

Nice game design

You read my mind...

baddabumb16_ESO

Valymer wrote: »

Flame lash un-dodge-rollable

Fear unblockable

Radiant Destruction un-terrainable

Nice game design

alle 4 classes have a skill thats unblockable, also ok...
radiant you cant dodge, flamelash you can't dodge = this skills are broken so.....

C0pp3rhead

The problem with fear is that it takes too long to break out of the status effect. With skills like Wrecking Blow, you can CC-break almost instantly, even while still in midair. Fear on the other hand takes at least 1 second (usually closer to 1.5s) to break out of the CC.

Emma_Overload

Out of all the "OP" class skills, though, Fear is (by far) the one that causes the most misery in its NPC version. I don't ever remember a mob trying to Streak-stun me or kill me with a Jesus Beam! Mobs using Flame Lash stand still when they do it, so all you have to do is walk around them, LOL.

The Fear effect, on the other hand, is whole different story. Mobs who have it tend to use it over and over... it's so annoying! I've tried so hard to make an effective Magicka build for my Sorc that ALSO has the ability to roll dodge Fear spells at will, and it's just not possible, at least not with my paltry 170 CP.

I guess can understand why the devs "recycle" player skills as NPC attacks to conserve development resources, but making Fear unblockable is basically giving a boss mechanic to random hedge wizards and no-name worm cultists. Come on, man!

Ryuho

Radiant works like soul asalut, shoud stay so.. but if u want so badly to nerf it, maybe implement firstly something like they did to sorc for perma dodge rollers - i mean incr dodge roll cost after dodge rolling and then nerf radiant/whip or whatever..

dafox187

NURF THE WORLD

ItsRejectz

Immovable! Problem solved.

Emma_Overload

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Immovable! Problem solved.

... for 5 seconds, and then you're out of Stamina. If Immovable gave you immunity for the WHOLE length of the buff, then it might be useful. If the base cost was only 2000 instead of 4000+, that wouldn't be so bad, either.

Iselin

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Immovable! Problem solved.

... for 5 seconds, and then you're out of Stamina. If Immovable gave you immunity for the WHOLE length of the buff, then it might be useful. If the base cost was only 2000 instead of 4000+, that wouldn't be so bad, either.

Ahh... those good ole pre-1.6 days. Even my magicka sorc used it back then.

Cinbri

Fear - unblockable, i fine with it.
BUT it also undodgeable, still may move you through texture, and now it can even cause unbreakable CC bug <-- and i far from being fine with it.

Samadhi

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Immovable! Problem solved.

... for 5 seconds, and then you're out of Stamina. If Immovable gave you immunity for the WHOLE length of the buff, then it might be useful. If the base cost was only 2000 instead of 4000+, that wouldn't be so bad, either.

Change your build around and get 28.6 seconds of CC immunity off of potions with a 45 second cooldown.
@JackDaniell made a nice build video that touches on the merits of only being able to be CC'd for 15 seconds every 45.
https://youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=manb6MgM1FM#t=149

SeptimusDova

Fear is great until its used on you. Or your herding Welwas and some jerk jumps in your pile pops fear and leaves laughing. Crap now I gotta collect all my welwas again.

DDuke

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Fear is great until its used on you. Or your herding Welwas and some jerk jumps in your pile pops fear and leaves laughing. Crap now I gotta collect all my welwas again.

Eh, I'm quite happy to get feared.

It means I'm the one casting that fear decided to drain my stamina instead of my health.

Not a big problem if you react even relatively quick.

Animal_Mother

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Fear is great until its used on you. Or your herding Welwas and some jerk jumps in your pile pops fear and leaves laughing. Crap now I gotta collect all my welwas again.

Sorry. Couldn't help but laugh at this. I so could see it happening.

The last time I got hit by fear it was beneficial. An NB in front of a zerg activated and I feared in the opposite direction and kept running; for some reason they didn't follow. Kind of makes up for all the times I was "gang-feared".

Brave Sir Robin Animal Mother ran away
Bravely ran away, away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Robin Animal Mother turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin Animal Mother

SeptimusDova

Listen Duke and listen well. It is hard enough to get Welwas in a collective herd for Flower Protection 101. And some unruly rapscallion NB has to feel the urge for the red cup of feel. And disrupt my Welwa reeducation center. Now dont get me wrong fear is good I never said it wasn't. But like C4 it has a time or place. And proper application. Using it to grief other players who are doing their own thing is not a proper application. It is funny as can be but not proper. Kinda like a fart in an elevator

jelliedsoup

Remove block casting.

PBpsy

Good . Awesome. PLS buff further.

Araxleon

manage your stamina, blockcasting doesnt help either

Rydik

Valymer wrote: »

Flame lash un-dodge-rollable

Fear unblockable

Radiant Destruction un-terrainable

Nice game design

Crying noobs unstoppable.

Moonshadow66

I don't do PvP, but every second enemy in PvE seems to use Fear. They snare, fear, and what not; half of the time my characters are lying on the ground or move as if they stepped in gum instead of actually fighting. It's annoying as hell. This was not always the case, not sure if this was changed at one point.

Valymer

Rydik wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

Flame lash un-dodge-rollable

Fear unblockable

Radiant Destruction un-terrainable

Nice game design

Crying noobs unstoppable.

Nope I don't cry I just play other games

But have fun with this one

noobfury

Fear is annoying in pvp but really there are a number of things .

Massive zergfest lag exploit , non stop Ice Comet spamming , Shooting Star , Radiant Destruction , 29 k Soul Assault , 18 k Wrecking Blows , 20 k Lethal Arrow , Constant Caltrops spamming , Fire Ballista Bolt spamming , Atronach Spamming as well as random latency issues that push the entire server population in to the red and players that can spam 5 skills in less than 2 seconds.

This is a lot of fun considering that offense>defense which means that pvp has been reduced to spending 90 % of your time just trying to stay alive because damage mitigation and absorption does not exist regardless of how much HP or armor you have. PVP at this point is nothing more than trying to avoid massive damage at every turn , actually engaging anyone in any kind of meaningful exchange is rare.

Mele ? lol . There is no more. We may as well be using nukes at this point since were one step away from calling in air strikes.

Armitas

What is this thread even about?

OdinForge

Potato < Fear

Block spamming tanks > Stamina burst

Block spamming tanks < Fear

Non-potato > Fear

Full circle

xylena

"fear" is a silly concept, bad animation, and unresponsive to player controls... zos talks a lot about "immersion" and then i'm seeing my fearless hero that beat molag bal running in terror from an ordinary nb every few seconds??? screw that RAGE QUIT

Gargragrond

True, in terms of lore, who would actually run away from a skinny midget elf appearing on your feet. My orc's bad breath should be far more scary .. well, it does burn off people's armor so I guess that's something..

Sensesfail13

Are people REALLY complaining about flame lash??? GTFO it is literally the only DK damage skill worth a damn and that is why people use it and you want to be able to roll away from it when the damage is negligible to begin with. GTFO you newbs.

jelliedsoup

Invasion > talons > flame lash spam.

Gets very old. If i coulf roll out on full stam it would be useful.