Best pvp burst damage?

Ezareth

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

jybgess wrote: »

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Nothing makes a nb better at sniping, people just have it set in their mind that we are the only ones that can do it. Someone snipe->meteors you and your dead no matter what class your fighting. We can maintain snipe spam better I suppose and we can follow it up with a faster gap closer, but its all mental. Its like our only valid play style so you see a lot more of it from nbs then from other classes.

Ohh you mean nothing like this?

Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while invisible or stealthed by 10%.

Successful stealthed attacks stun for 100% longer.

Increases bonus Critical Strike damage by 10%.

A successful critical hit gives nearby Minor Savagery, increasing Weapon Critical Strike rating by 629 for 20 seconds.

Relentless Focus - Also grants Minor Berserk, and Minor Endurance, increasing your damage by 8% and Stamina Regeneration by 10%.
Mark Target - Expose an enemy’s weaknesses to afflict them with Major Fracture and Major Breach, reducing Armor and Spell resistance by 5120 for 27 seconds.

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

YAWN, yes you are clearly one of the people! Stun=/= burst, when my crit is already 50% passive the crit increasing effects are meaningless, relentless takes up a slot (one I could put an actual burst move into) for not much gain, no competent ganker marks before firing, thats something you do after the burst and only if its a nb/heavily armored foe. Sometimes you mark people who are about to die as well to heal, but of course that is not burst. Anything else you forgot to mention? Nb focus is clearly on stealth attacks, but that is one aspect of bursting someone and its much more useful to do it outside of stealth where a majority of fights happen. Where of course nbs are given almost no advantage. Let us not forget that outside of our ultimates what class moves are really all that great for burst? None hit too hard by themselves and are often used in combo with moves outside of our class. By all means run up to a competent player and spam ambush or surprise attack, you wont get far(its funny cause ambush spammers are a real thing).

Maybe other classes should invent their own combos off weapon moves. I cant say I could give any pointers, but thats for them to figure out. Sneak a snipe into an insta cast crystal frag? Thats probably more damaging then snipe->ambush, but admittedly harder to pull off.

You said nothing makes a NB better at sniping to which I posted passives and abilities that nightblades have that other classes do not that lend themselves to sniping.

How are crit *damage* and weapon damage increasing effects while stealth meaningless when by definition when you're attacking from stealth you're guaranteed to crit? Relentless takes up a slot yes, but it is also one of the only ways to get minor brutality and increases your damage by 8%. "Actual burst moves" are only going to be 2-3 abilities and are pretty obvious for a sniper. The rest are going to be self buff abilities and some utility/escape abilities.

I don't snipe people with my nightblade, open with mark target (to fracture and ensure nightblades can't escape) then a crit rush > fear > wrecking blow combo. I was only offering my suggestions to the OP that if he wanted to play a sniper a NB is the obvious choice. Snipers from any other class just aren't nearly as effective.

If he said I want to be the best 2-hander melee fighter or something to that effect I would have replied differently.

Ezareth

Saft wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

As it should be, as no other class has such a lack of defensive options.

I don't know why you keep trying to downplay the class everywhere. I'm just stating the obvious here, if you want to play a Stealth character you should be a NB.

What about pull out a bow, and start dodgeroll, put in an rapid manevour+ CloakYou cannot get better defence then that.

In PvP i would like to say mobility> defence. And NB are best at both mobility and burst.

I'm not sure but it sounds like you're agreeing with me. I already do this on my NB haha.

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Yes, NB stealth attacks are the strongest, and Sorcerers are the strongest burst class outside of stealth, as well as the strongest one defensively.

I don't know I got a 17K wrecking blow crit on my level 41 NB last night. I haven't seen a 17K Crit on my VR14 Sorc on anything other than a trash mob since Nirnhoned weapons were fixed. Just wait until he's VR14.

Wrecking Blow and Crystal Frags have the exact same damage coefficient. You also shouldn't compare stealth attacks with non stealth attacks. At lvl41 Wrecking Blow does not hit for 17K without a stealth attack.

Exact same damage coefficient yet I have greater ways to increase my damage *and* guarantee a crit with the best crit damage bonuses in the game, plus there is the simple fact that it is possible to get over 4K weapon damage any not anywhere close to that in spellpower.

Let's not play this game of stupidity.

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

where does stam sorc fit into this, there is no way to mitigate that burst nightblades pull off from stealth because hardened ward doesnt work for stam users, 4k shield will just cause unmitigated blead over damage that can be crit. NB complain about not having a shield or heal yet you can just turn your asses invisible and reposition all the damn time.

the only class you have to bring a detect pot or immovable pot to fight on equal footing with. hell the only class i have to bring a pot to fight in general. you say cloak breaks all the time, well hell so does bolt escape and we are still visible as well and cant be like, oh im just going to slip into invisible land and no one can find me with 30 people looking.

hell even with radiant mage light up i cannot survive some night blades opening burst and if i do. guess whats going to happen. ambush fear burst, omg you guys are so smart. using these combos that dont have a counter too, isnt it just f'ing amazing.

so please tell me how to survive your burst if i dont have a way to mitigate your burst outside of boundless storm and bound armor. radiant doesnt help crap or even find any of you f'ers unless im standing on your faces. your like annoying little cockroaches that just need to be squished.

"Stam Sorc" is akin to saying "Screen Door Submarine". Sure you could build one, but why would you want to?

FENGRUSH

Ezareth wrote: »

Saft wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

As it should be, as no other class has such a lack of defensive options.

I don't know why you keep trying to downplay the class everywhere. I'm just stating the obvious here, if you want to play a Stealth character you should be a NB.

What about pull out a bow, and start dodgeroll, put in an rapid manevour+ CloakYou cannot get better defence then that.

In PvP i would like to say mobility> defence. And NB are best at both mobility and burst.

I'm not sure but it sounds like you're agreeing with me. I already do this on my NB haha.

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Yes, NB stealth attacks are the strongest, and Sorcerers are the strongest burst class outside of stealth, as well as the strongest one defensively.

I don't know I got a 17K wrecking blow crit on my level 41 NB last night. I haven't seen a 17K Crit on my VR14 Sorc on anything other than a trash mob since Nirnhoned weapons were fixed. Just wait until he's VR14.

Wrecking Blow and Crystal Frags have the exact same damage coefficient. You also shouldn't compare stealth attacks with non stealth attacks. At lvl41 Wrecking Blow does not hit for 17K without a stealth attack.

Exact same damage coefficient yet I have greater ways to increase my damage *and* guarantee a crit with the best crit damage bonuses in the game, plus there is the simple fact that it is possible to get over 4K weapon damage any not anywhere close to that in spellpower.

Let's not play this game of stupidity.

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

where does stam sorc fit into this, there is no way to mitigate that burst nightblades pull off from stealth because hardened ward doesnt work for stam users, 4k shield will just cause unmitigated blead over damage that can be crit. NB complain about not having a shield or heal yet you can just turn your asses invisible and reposition all the damn time.

the only class you have to bring a detect pot or immovable pot to fight on equal footing with. hell the only class i have to bring a pot to fight in general. you say cloak breaks all the time, well hell so does bolt escape and we are still visible as well and cant be like, oh im just going to slip into invisible land and no one can find me with 30 people looking.

hell even with radiant mage light up i cannot survive some night blades opening burst and if i do. guess whats going to happen. ambush fear burst, omg you guys are so smart. using these combos that dont have a counter too, isnt it just f'ing amazing.

so please tell me how to survive your burst if i dont have a way to mitigate your burst outside of boundless storm and bound armor. radiant doesnt help crap or even find any of you f'ers unless im standing on your faces. your like annoying little cockroaches that just need to be squished.

"Stam Sorc" is akin to saying "Screen Door Submarine". Sure you could build one, but why would you want to?

Why? To be like FENGRUSH. There is no better reason!

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

I'm enjoying seeing the discussion about computer classes, it helps to take some doubts and better understand the classes. but still I do not know which class I choose. I was thinking in a high burst damage, no matter whether it be melee or ranged.

As the difference in stamina or magika NB, only one magika of NB would be able to spamming clock to stay invisible? Unlike the DPS of a magika to build stamina would be great ?? and the difference for a Bow build for a melee is too big ?? These doubts are very difficult to choose hehe, but thank you

Lyzaaa

Just go NB, with the right items ur the tankiest, have the most burst, and whatever more, u'll have everything and best part it takes no skill.

U won't receive nerfs cause people defend this class cause they A. dont want to lose their godlike OPness and B. If they admit their class is *** they're basicly admitting into the "it takes no skill".

But the problem is that by the time ur at that point this game may be completely dead, or u'll be fighting 99% Nb's and its and endless rolldodge battle :P

anyways enjoy

Lyzaaa

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

Not whining, at all. Just stating a fact. Yea sorcs got shields, but stamina nb got dodge, I guess this is where you tell me sorcs got dodge too, but if you dodge too much as a sorc you are hereby known as dumb because your stamina would be gone after 2-3 rolls and its smarter to reapply hardward. If I had the stamina and dodge cost reduction of a stamina nb, id much rather dodge then shieldup.
Every class has disadvantages and advantages, the stam nbs biggest advantage is having the (potentially) highest burst in this game, by far.

If they change nirnhoned as planned your burst will go up as sorc, isn't it something?

Im not complaining about my own burst, as a sorc, just stating the fact that stam nbs can have it quite abit higher. I still havent met anyone of any class that I cannot kill, nirnhoned or not. I dont believe in whining, just saying whats true, and the fact that nbs can outburst a sorc is true, and thats not saying the sorc will automaticly loose either, sorcs can mitigate alot, nbs can dodge alot, in the end the balance atm is fine(open combat), atleast when talking about nb vs sorc. DK and Temp on the other hand, are abit behind, atleast in my experience.

Sure, Templar and DK need a little push, but nothing needs a real nerf in my opinion.

I actually think Nb needs a buff regarding burst and resource management.

Soulac

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

Not whining, at all. Just stating a fact. Yea sorcs got shields, but stamina nb got dodge, I guess this is where you tell me sorcs got dodge too, but if you dodge too much as a sorc you are hereby known as dumb because your stamina would be gone after 2-3 rolls and its smarter to reapply hardward. If I had the stamina and dodge cost reduction of a stamina nb, id much rather dodge then shieldup.
Every class has disadvantages and advantages, the stam nbs biggest advantage is having the (potentially) highest burst in this game, by far.

If they change nirnhoned as planned your burst will go up as sorc, isn't it something?

Im not complaining about my own burst, as a sorc, just stating the fact that stam nbs can have it quite abit higher. I still havent met anyone of any class that I cannot kill, nirnhoned or not. I dont believe in whining, just saying whats true, and the fact that nbs can outburst a sorc is true, and thats not saying the sorc will automaticly loose either, sorcs can mitigate alot, nbs can dodge alot, in the end the balance atm is fine(open combat), atleast when talking about nb vs sorc. DK and Temp on the other hand, are abit behind, atleast in my experience.

Sure, Templar and DK need a little push, but nothing needs a real nerf in my opinion.

I actually think Nb needs a buff regarding burst and resource management.

BUFF THE CAT!

Vis

Nightblade all the way. You can go glass cannon and rely on rolls/cloak to get you out of any bind. Most importantly, a uber cheap/fast ultimate plus a sure aoe cc cannot be beaten. Trust me.

Soulac

Vis wrote: »

Nightblade all the way. You can go glass cannon and rely on rolls/cloak to get you out of any bind. Most importantly, a uber cheap/fast ultimate plus a sure aoe cc cannot be beaten. Trust me.

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

But what will be the changes by be a magyka or stam NB????? Stamina deal mora damage and magika more utilit/survival?

Lava_Croft

Both Magicka and Stamina Nightblades can do basically the same thing, except the Stamina ones are better at dealing damage while the Magicka ones are better at supporting the group with heals and the like.

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

can a stam NB span shadow clk or he will run out of magika ? Some times, when im walking around the pvp map, i noticed some NBs who never come out from the stealth skill

rich.magab14a_ESO

It's funny how not many people have noticed the other elephant in the room when it comes to NBs. Their stealth and escape abilities allow them to get out of combat very quickly, allowing them to change their skill bar and adjust to any situation. No other class can do that

Lava_Croft

Stamina Nightblades can certainly not spam Cloak.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

It's funny how not many people have noticed the other elephant in the room when it comes to NBs. Their stealth and escape abilities allow them to get out of combat very quickly, allowing them to change their skill bar and adjust to any situation. No other class can do that

Yeah, Sorcerers totally cannot Bolt Escape to safety! Never happens!

Ezareth

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Stamina Nightblades can certainly not spam Cloak.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

It's funny how not many people have noticed the other elephant in the room when it comes to NBs. Their stealth and escape abilities allow them to get out of combat very quickly, allowing them to change their skill bar and adjust to any situation. No other class can do that

Yeah, Sorcerers totally cannot Bolt Escape to safety! Never happens!

1 or 2 get away from me, usually when I fat finger my fear.

Crit-charge owns sorcs so hard its not even funny, if you see them cast a shield after bolt escaping, pop your fear while they're stuck on the GCD and <Insert Execute Here>

Warraxx

Xsorus

Ezareth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Stamina Nightblades can certainly not spam Cloak.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

It's funny how not many people have noticed the other elephant in the room when it comes to NBs. Their stealth and escape abilities allow them to get out of combat very quickly, allowing them to change their skill bar and adjust to any situation. No other class can do that

Yeah, Sorcerers totally cannot Bolt Escape to safety! Never happens!

1 or 2 get away from me, usually when I fat finger my fear.

Crit-charge owns sorcs so hard its not even funny, if you see them cast a shield after bolt escaping, pop your fear while they're stuck on the GCD and <Insert Execute Here>

Yea..Crit Charge owns sorcs right up until they figure out they can just streak through you to get away.

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

So, i need to be a magika NB to focus a pvp build araound cloack... but i need to be a stambow/2h or bow/dual to be a hard hitter??i never see a magika NB hiting hard with a staff.

Lava_Croft

Ezareth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Stamina Nightblades can certainly not spam Cloak.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

It's funny how not many people have noticed the other elephant in the room when it comes to NBs. Their stealth and escape abilities allow them to get out of combat very quickly, allowing them to change their skill bar and adjust to any situation. No other class can do that

Yeah, Sorcerers totally cannot Bolt Escape to safety! Never happens!

1 or 2 get away from me, usually when I fat finger my fear.

Crit-charge owns sorcs so hard its not even funny, if you see them cast a shield after bolt escaping, pop your fear while they're stuck on the GCD and <Insert Execute Here>

Yeah, gap closers totally do not screw over Cloak since forever.

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO wrote: »

So, i need to be a magika NB to focus a pvp build araound cloack... but i need to be a stambow/2h or bow/dual to be a hard hitter??i never see a magika NB hiting hard with a staff.

That's because ZOS logic. Do more damage with your spells, you need to equip a melee weapon.

twistedmonk

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO wrote: »

So, i need to be a magika NB to focus a pvp build araound cloack... but i need to be a stambow/2h or bow/dual to be a hard hitter??i never see a magika NB hiting hard with a staff.

sadly a dual wield magic NB does more damage than using a 2-hander destro staff...

For whatever reason, ZOS made 2-hander magic weapons base damage a lot less than physical weapons. But then they made spell damage be the higher of spell or weapon damage.

the whole system is just whack to be honest.

we went from pre 1.6 destro/resto Vamp DKs in light armor soloing 20+ people to stamina nightblades 1-shotting people

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

twistedmonk wrote: »

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO wrote: »

So, i need to be a magika NB to focus a pvp build araound cloack... but i need to be a stambow/2h or bow/dual to be a hard hitter??i never see a magika NB hiting hard with a staff.

sadly a dual wield magic NB does more damage than using a 2-hander destro staff...

For whatever reason, ZOS made 2-hander magic weapons base damage a lot less than physical weapons. But then they made spell damage be the higher of spell or weapon damage.

the whole system is just whack to be honest.

we went from pre 1.6 destro/resto Vamp DKs in light armor soloing 20+ people to stamina nightblades 1-shotting people

that is realy strange... what NB magika skill can do a high damage like sniper???

and what class fit better s magika dps nb?? breton? Altmer? some one else?

and just another question that comes to me. The Khajit and Boosmer racial skills that increase my damage coming from stealth, increase my damage that comes out from my cloack??? thx

twistedmonk

Honestly, I dont think magic NB has any burst.

The most I've seen is people using magicka detonation. Basically cast the proximity detonation morph on yourself and teleport to the guy and then it will go off, then finish him off with fear/meteor. and it's all AoE dmg

entropy (for 20% spell buff for 12 second)->dark cloak->proximity detonation->teleport strike->fear->meteor = usually dead...maybe sometimes. usually not

That's a lot of work compared to stamina nightblade..

pre-buff with rally IV for 20% dmg bonus for 33 seconds.

heavy attack from stealth->surprise attack = dead

ambush->surprise attack = dead

ambush->fear->wrecking blow = dead

ambush->fear->wrecking blow->executioner = dead

crit rush->fear->wrecking blow = dead

sometimes just wrecking blow or heavy attack = dead. I've seen 22k wrecking blows....18k heavy attacks from stealth are common

Here's the reason - it's the synergies of nightblade + 2hander.


2-hander rally gives 20% weapon dmg for 33 seconds at rank 4
ambush and wrecking blow both give empower for 20% dmg on next attack

so that's 40% weapon damage right there that's easy and constant to keep up. I mean wrecking blow buffs itself - it used to be 20% bonus damage on next attack but only if it wasn't another wrecking blow, but they removed that. Now you can just spam wrecking blow and keep empower buff up constantly on each hit. and if you have executioner on your bar - if your health drops below 20%, you get another 15% damage bonus for a total of 55% (20% rally buff + 20% empower + 15% low health). which is why on the addon summary, you may only have 4k health, but wrecking blow might hit you for 22k overkill if it crits.

then nightblade 10% dmg from stealth/invisibilty (if khajit/bosmer that's 20% with their racials)

Medium armor gives 12% weapon damage for wearing 5 pieces.

add in the champion pts for increased weapon damage, critical hit damage, etc.

bonus weapon damage from set pieces

all of this stacks which is insane.

and it's pretty easy to see why we have a broken PvP system with 1-2 shot kills....

In summary:

weapon buffs : 57% = 12% (medium armor) + 20% (rally) + 20% (empower from either teleport strike or wrecking blow) + 5% (2-hand sword)

if from stealth: add another 10% (20% if khajit/bosmer)

if a follow up from 2-hander heavy attack, add 10% to next attack

also, nightblades have a bonus critical hit chance and 10% bonus critical hit damage and 30% stamina regeneration.

edit: also you can add some fighter guild passives here for more weapon damage - flawless dawnbreaker

Jules

NB. Without question.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Ive seen the best burst today and its not a stamina build. Its proximity det -> ambush, hit me for 16k detenation and 11k ambush and thats a magicka build. Snipe is a joke next to that. Just wait till it gets more popular, thats got to be addressed pronto its sapping all the skill out of pvp and there wasn't much to begin with.

twistedmonk

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ive seen the best burst today and its not a stamina build. Its proximity det -> ambush, hit me for 16k detenation and 11k ambush and thats a magicka build. Snipe is a joke next to that. Just wait till it gets more popular, thats got to be addressed pronto its sapping all the skill out of pvp and there wasn't much to begin with.

ambush is stamina based, so not sure how a magic NB could do 11k ambush, magic NB''s use the unmorphed teleport strike...which does not have the empower 20% attack bonus on next attack like ambush does

on a sorc magic build with 35k magic + 2k weapon damage (forced to use dual wield to get that weapon damage, normally destro weapon dmg is around 1.4k) - magic detonation does about 11k

ambush on stamina does 12k

heavy attack from stealth = 18k

wrecking blow does upwards of 28k

if you had nirnhone - magic dmg would be reduced significatantly...16k detonation->8k or less

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

twistedmonk wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ive seen the best burst today and its not a stamina build. Its proximity det -> ambush, hit me for 16k detenation and 11k ambush and thats a magicka build. Snipe is a joke next to that. Just wait till it gets more popular, thats got to be addressed pronto its sapping all the skill out of pvp and there wasn't much to begin with.

ambush is stamina based, so not sure how a magic NB could do 11k ambush, magic NB''s use the unmorphed teleport strike...which does not have the empower 20% attack bonus on next attack like ambush does

on a sorc magic build with 35k magic + 2k weapon damage (forced to use dual wield to get that weapon damage, normally destro weapon dmg is around 1.4k) - magic detonation does about 11k

ambush on stamina does 12k

heavy attack from stealth = 18k

wrecking blow does upwards of 28k

if you had nirnhone - magic dmg would be reduced significatantly...16k detonation->8k or less

Idk what hes doing to get them that high but believe me friend its extremely high damage. It was a magicka nb because his off weapon was a resto staff and he had plenty of magicka to utilize it. Its not like a magicka nb cant use ambush, they just cant spam the hell out of it. As for your 28k wrecking blow..... thats a rather dubious claim, much more likely the kill screen was displaying incorrect info. Same guy though was getting into our keep without the walls being down and had a dodge rating of well over 20%(3-4 people all shot at him for a good 10 seconds and we all missed without him rolling ever). Wasn't blocking either for the hist bark set bonus. He would litereally just stand doing heavy attacks while completely dodging everything. Very suspect player and I reported him for the wall climbing(I literally watched him climb right up it).

Tankqull

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Stamina Nightblades can certainly not spam Cloak.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

It's funny how not many people have noticed the other elephant in the room when it comes to NBs. Their stealth and escape abilities allow them to get out of combat very quickly, allowing them to change their skill bar and adjust to any situation. No other class can do that

Yeah, Sorcerers totally cannot Bolt Escape to safety! Never happens!

you can´t switch your bar as a sorc as every fight keeps you in combat for ages 10-15x longer than on any other class.

Saft

Stamina NB > Sorc Magica build > All other classes Stamina builds > all other classes magica build.

So yeah if you like BURST Stamina, choose NB if you like BURST magica choose Sorc.

ToRelax

Saft wrote: »

Stamina NB > Sorc Magica build > All other classes Stamina builds > all other classes magica build.

So yeah if you like BURST Stamina, choose NB if you like BURST magica choose Sorc.

Actually magicka NB isn't weaker in burst than a Sorc because the burst is less predictable (due to cloak).

Docmandu

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

As it should be, as no other class has such a lack of defensive options.

Not sure if serious!