Best pvp burst damage?

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

Hey guys... what class/weapon/build/race should i pic for a betterer pvp burst damage??? Magika or stamina focus?? Thx alot

Tankqull

stamina NB >>> magica sorc >/= everything else

pppontus

NB, bow, stealth. Snipe + camo hunter, pew pew. Plus: no skill required.

jybgess

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Ezareth

jybgess wrote: »

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Crit bonus damage from stealth. Best Stealth synergies and stamina regen passives. Just look at the passives in their class trees and you'll see.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

jybgess wrote: »

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Nothing makes a nb better at sniping, people just have it set in their mind that we are the only ones that can do it. Someone snipe->meteors you and your dead no matter what class your fighting. We can maintain snipe spam better I suppose and we can follow it up with a faster gap closer, but its all mental. Its like our only valid play style so you see a lot more of it from nbs then from other classes.

ToRelax

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

jybgess wrote: »

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Nothing makes a nb better at sniping, people just have it set in their mind that we are the only ones that can do it. Someone snipe->meteors you and your dead no matter what class your fighting. We can maintain snipe spam better I suppose and we can follow it up with a faster gap closer, but its all mental. Its like our only valid play style so you see a lot more of it from nbs then from other classes.

Extra stealth damage, longer stun, extra crit, stamina regen, cloak, berserk buff, good stamina morphs...
Imo NB has by far the most build options right now btw.

Ezareth

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

jybgess wrote: »

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Nothing makes a nb better at sniping, people just have it set in their mind that we are the only ones that can do it. Someone snipe->meteors you and your dead no matter what class your fighting. We can maintain snipe spam better I suppose and we can follow it up with a faster gap closer, but its all mental. Its like our only valid play style so you see a lot more of it from nbs then from other classes.

Ohh you mean nothing like this?

Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while invisible or stealthed by 10%.

Successful stealthed attacks stun for 100% longer.

Increases bonus Critical Strike damage by 10%.

A successful critical hit gives nearby Minor Savagery, increasing Weapon Critical Strike rating by 629 for 20 seconds.

Relentless Focus - Also grants Minor Berserk, and Minor Endurance, increasing your damage by 8% and Stamina Regeneration by 10%.
Mark Target - Expose an enemy’s weaknesses to afflict them with Major Fracture and Major Breach, reducing Armor and Spell resistance by 5120 for 27 seconds.

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

Zsymon

Ezareth wrote: »

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

As it should be, as no other class has such a lack of defensive options.

Ezareth

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

As it should be, as no other class has such a lack of defensive options.

I don't know why you keep trying to downplay the class everywhere. I'm just stating the obvious here, if you want to play a Stealth character you should be a NB.

Zsymon

Yes, NB stealth attacks are the strongest, and Sorcerers are the strongest burst class outside of stealth, as well as the strongest one defensively.

Xsorus

Ambush+Snipe Combo probably ranks up there in terms of best burst

Ezareth

Zsymon wrote: »

Yes, NB stealth attacks are the strongest, and Sorcerers are the strongest burst class outside of stealth, as well as the strongest one defensively.

I don't know I got a 17K wrecking blow crit on my level 41 NB last night. I haven't seen a 17K Crit on my VR14 Sorc on anything other than a trash mob since Nirnhoned weapons were fixed. Just wait until he's VR14.

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO

So, nb deal more damage and sorcere has better survivabilit??? did the NB deal mutch more damage compared to sorcs??? and what race is better for a stam NB, kajit, bosmer or imperial??

nothing2591

dk fire staff heavy attacks or templar radiant with mages guild might of the guild passive

TheBucket

Magic Nightblade

I've been running a Burst Build since 1.6. Now other Magic NB's are catching on. Stamina Builds don't stand a chance.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

jybgess wrote: »

Cant any class use a bow, go stealth, Camo Hunter, Snipe???? I'm not being a smart ass. I just started playing not long ago. What makes a NB better?

Nothing makes a nb better at sniping, people just have it set in their mind that we are the only ones that can do it. Someone snipe->meteors you and your dead no matter what class your fighting. We can maintain snipe spam better I suppose and we can follow it up with a faster gap closer, but its all mental. Its like our only valid play style so you see a lot more of it from nbs then from other classes.

Ohh you mean nothing like this?

Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while invisible or stealthed by 10%.

Successful stealthed attacks stun for 100% longer.

Increases bonus Critical Strike damage by 10%.

A successful critical hit gives nearby Minor Savagery, increasing Weapon Critical Strike rating by 629 for 20 seconds.

Relentless Focus - Also grants Minor Berserk, and Minor Endurance, increasing your damage by 8% and Stamina Regeneration by 10%.
Mark Target - Expose an enemy’s weaknesses to afflict them with Major Fracture and Major Breach, reducing Armor and Spell resistance by 5120 for 27 seconds.

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

YAWN, yes you are clearly one of the people! Stun=/= burst, when my crit is already 50% passive the crit increasing effects are meaningless, relentless takes up a slot (one I could put an actual burst move into) for not much gain, no competent ganker marks before firing, thats something you do after the burst and only if its a nb/heavily armored foe. Sometimes you mark people who are about to die as well to heal, but of course that is not burst. Anything else you forgot to mention? Nb focus is clearly on stealth attacks, but that is one aspect of bursting someone and its much more useful to do it outside of stealth where a majority of fights happen. Where of course nbs are given almost no advantage. Let us not forget that outside of our ultimates what class moves are really all that great for burst? None hit too hard by themselves and are often used in combo with moves outside of our class. By all means run up to a competent player and spam ambush or surprise attack, you wont get far(its funny cause ambush spammers are a real thing).

Maybe other classes should invent their own combos off weapon moves. I cant say I could give any pointers, but thats for them to figure out. Sneak a snipe into an insta cast crystal frag? Thats probably more damaging then snipe->ambush, but admittedly harder to pull off.

Derra

OH BOY!

I´d love to chime in here but well.
I´ll say as much: Forced break of block.

olsborg

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

Soulac

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

TheBull

NBs and Sorcs OP.

NBs can drop 30k in 1 second, pure glass cannons though. Sorcs can chain 20k+ over and over while rarely taking dmg.

TheBull

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO wrote: »

So, nb deal more damage and sorcere has better survivabilit??? did the NB deal mutch more damage compared to sorcs??? and what race is better for a stam NB, kajit, bosmer or imperial??

Redguard.

olsborg

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

Not whining, at all. Just stating a fact. Yea sorcs got shields, but stamina nb got dodge, I guess this is where you tell me sorcs got dodge too, but if you dodge too much as a sorc you are hereby known as dumb because your stamina would be gone after 2-3 rolls and its smarter to reapply hardward. If I had the stamina and dodge cost reduction of a stamina nb, id much rather dodge then shieldup.
Every class has disadvantages and advantages, the stam nbs biggest advantage is having the (potentially) highest burst in this game, by far.

Saft

Ezareth wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

No class has anything similar to the NB class when it comes to stealth attacks.

As it should be, as no other class has such a lack of defensive options.

I don't know why you keep trying to downplay the class everywhere. I'm just stating the obvious here, if you want to play a Stealth character you should be a NB.

What about pull out a bow, and start dodgeroll, put in an rapid manevour+ CloakYou cannot get better defence then that.

In PvP i would like to say mobility> defence. And NB are best at both mobility and burst.

Zsymon

Ezareth wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Yes, NB stealth attacks are the strongest, and Sorcerers are the strongest burst class outside of stealth, as well as the strongest one defensively.

I don't know I got a 17K wrecking blow crit on my level 41 NB last night. I haven't seen a 17K Crit on my VR14 Sorc on anything other than a trash mob since Nirnhoned weapons were fixed. Just wait until he's VR14.

Wrecking Blow and Crystal Frags have the exact same damage coefficient. You also shouldn't compare stealth attacks with non stealth attacks. At lvl41 Wrecking Blow does not hit for 17K without a stealth attack.

ForTheRealm

andre.luiz.bandeirapub18_ESO wrote: »

Hey guys... what class/weapon/build/race should i pic for a betterer pvp burst damage??? Magika or stamina focus?? Thx alot

I you would like to make high burst damage in PvP, NB is the best class at the moment.
It is also a pretty fun class to play - try it, you won't regret it ;-)

Soulac

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

Not whining, at all. Just stating a fact. Yea sorcs got shields, but stamina nb got dodge, I guess this is where you tell me sorcs got dodge too, but if you dodge too much as a sorc you are hereby known as dumb because your stamina would be gone after 2-3 rolls and its smarter to reapply hardward. If I had the stamina and dodge cost reduction of a stamina nb, id much rather dodge then shieldup.
Every class has disadvantages and advantages, the stam nbs biggest advantage is having the (potentially) highest burst in this game, by far.

Dodge got hard counters, shields not and don't tell me something about Fear.
Shields can be cast before your enemy starts attacking, dodge needs to be timed.

Nb got highest burst, that's it. They're great tanks ofc and they got great defense against other Stamina or Magicka range builds, also right, but overall every class has something good, but overall it's balanced.
Everything got a counter now, nothing is unkillable and fights itself are no longer half an hour long.. At least if not two full tanks are fighting each other..

I just don't see the point in such threads if we will see balance changes after console release anyway.
If they change nirnhoned as planned your burst will go up as sorc, isn't it something?

Also keep in mind that zos don't care what we write in this PvP forum, we don't exist in their opinion.
As example ttk is low, but how do you want to kill shieldstacking players if they can easily Shield against an execute skill?
You either get them out of stamina which is impossible in a couple of months or you burst them to zero in one stun which would be impossible with an overall health increase.
Without bugs everyone who understands game mechanics would be immortal, at least in a 1v1.

olsborg

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

Not whining, at all. Just stating a fact. Yea sorcs got shields, but stamina nb got dodge, I guess this is where you tell me sorcs got dodge too, but if you dodge too much as a sorc you are hereby known as dumb because your stamina would be gone after 2-3 rolls and its smarter to reapply hardward. If I had the stamina and dodge cost reduction of a stamina nb, id much rather dodge then shieldup.
Every class has disadvantages and advantages, the stam nbs biggest advantage is having the (potentially) highest burst in this game, by far.

If they change nirnhoned as planned your burst will go up as sorc, isn't it something?

Im not complaining about my own burst, as a sorc, just stating the fact that stam nbs can have it quite abit higher. I still havent met anyone of any class that I cannot kill, nirnhoned or not. I dont believe in whining, just saying whats true, and the fact that nbs can outburst a sorc is true, and thats not saying the sorc will automaticly loose either, sorcs can mitigate alot, nbs can dodge alot, in the end the balance atm is fine(open combat), atleast when talking about nb vs sorc. DK and Temp on the other hand, are abit behind, atleast in my experience.

Soulac

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Stamina nb with dw will outburst a magicka sorc anytime, because they dont have to wait for a 3.5 sec explotion or a lucky 35% procc or 1.5 sec cast time.

If everything would be the same it'd be kinda boring, wouldn't it?
Right, a stamina NB is able to get higher burst than you but is not able to shield himself and needs to go in melee range.
Every class got advantages and disadvantages or do you want to whine about not being as tanky as a DK as well?

Not whining, at all. Just stating a fact. Yea sorcs got shields, but stamina nb got dodge, I guess this is where you tell me sorcs got dodge too, but if you dodge too much as a sorc you are hereby known as dumb because your stamina would be gone after 2-3 rolls and its smarter to reapply hardward. If I had the stamina and dodge cost reduction of a stamina nb, id much rather dodge then shieldup.
Every class has disadvantages and advantages, the stam nbs biggest advantage is having the (potentially) highest burst in this game, by far.

If they change nirnhoned as planned your burst will go up as sorc, isn't it something?

Im not complaining about my own burst, as a sorc, just stating the fact that stam nbs can have it quite abit higher. I still havent met anyone of any class that I cannot kill, nirnhoned or not. I dont believe in whining, just saying whats true, and the fact that nbs can outburst a sorc is true, and thats not saying the sorc will automaticly loose either, sorcs can mitigate alot, nbs can dodge alot, in the end the balance atm is fine(open combat), atleast when talking about nb vs sorc. DK and Temp on the other hand, are abit behind, atleast in my experience.

Sure, Templar and DK need a little push, but nothing needs a real nerf in my opinion.

cozmon3c_ESO

where does stam sorc fit into this, there is no way to mitigate that burst nightblades pull off from stealth because hardened ward doesnt work for stam users, 4k shield will just cause unmitigated blead over damage that can be crit. NB complain about not having a shield or heal yet you can just turn your asses invisible and reposition all the damn time.

the only class you have to bring a detect pot or immovable pot to fight on equal footing with. hell the only class i have to bring a pot to fight in general. you say cloak breaks all the time, well hell so does bolt escape and we are still visible as well and cant be like, oh im just going to slip into invisible land and no one can find me with 30 people looking.

hell even with radiant mage light up i cannot survive some night blades opening burst and if i do. guess whats going to happen. ambush fear burst, omg you guys are so smart. using these combos that dont have a counter too, isnt it just f'ing amazing.

so please tell me how to survive your burst if i dont have a way to mitigate your burst outside of boundless storm and bound armor. radiant doesnt help crap or even find any of you f'ers unless im standing on your faces. your like annoying little cockroaches that just need to be squished.

Dositheus

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

where does stam sorc fit into this, there is no way to mitigate that burst nightblades pull off from stealth because hardened ward doesnt work for stam users, 4k shield will just cause unmitigated blead over damage that can be crit. NB complain about not having a shield or heal yet you can just turn your asses invisible and reposition all the damn time.

the only class you have to bring a detect pot or immovable pot to fight on equal footing with. hell the only class i have to bring a pot to fight in general. you say cloak breaks all the time, well hell so does bolt escape and we are still visible as well and cant be like, oh im just going to slip into invisible land and no one can find me with 30 people looking.

hell even with radiant mage light up i cannot survive some night blades opening burst and if i do. guess whats going to happen. ambush fear burst, omg you guys are so smart. using these combos that dont have a counter too, isnt it just f'ing amazing.

so please tell me how to survive your burst if i dont have a way to mitigate your burst outside of boundless storm and bound armor. radiant doesnt help crap or even find any of you f'ers unless im standing on your faces. your like annoying little cockroaches that just need to be squished.

As FENGRUSH for some tips. He does fine with a stamina sorc, perhaps he will be willing to help you out.