Played for 4 hours today, not even one death where Fear wasn't involved

Isbilen

This ability is absolutely ridiculous.

Draehl

I take it you're probably a tank then? Fear is intended to be a block counter. That being said, yes it is very strong especially in the hands of high burst stam NBs. The thing to do is increase the cost a good bit so stam builds can't use it so often. I wouldn't even be opposed to be gaining a short cast time, though I would certainly ask for the overall burst in PvP to be toned down at the same time since it definitely is a tool magicka NBs very much need...

Isbilen

Draehl wrote: »

I take it you're probably a tank then? Fear is intended to be a block counter. That being said, yes it is very strong especially in the hands of high burst stam NBs. The thing to do is increase the cost a good bit so stam builds can't use it so often. I wouldn't even be opposed to be gaining a short cast time, though I would certainly ask for the overall burst in PvP to be toned down at the same time since it definitely is a tool magicka NBs very much need...

Yes I am built to be very tanky, sacrifising most of my damage for that. This is just like back when DKs had an ability that would completely shut down the caster playstyle. Nightblades now have an ability that completely shuts down another playstyle.

RoamingRiverElk

When I'm tanking a lot of people, it just feels stupid to then die due to the base mechanics of the game - that is, the length of time it takes to break fear and fossilize (when I have plenty of stamina left for breaking it) or to the stun + silence that happens every time someone is charging me with critical charge or invasion - because I will be burst down in the time I need to get back to using skills, and in the case of fear/fossilize, blocking. It's not a question of running out of resources, it is a question of the base mechanics of the game.

No, I don't use nirnhoned armor. When nirnhoned armor is fixed, the nerfs magicka DKs have suffered will truly be visible to all.

Dositheus

Draehl wrote: »

I take it you're probably a tank then? Fear is intended to be a block counter. That being said, yes it is very strong especially in the hands of high burst stam NBs. The thing to do is increase the cost a good bit so stam builds can't use it so often. I wouldn't even be opposed to be gaining a short cast time, though I would certainly ask for the overall burst in PvP to be toned down at the same time since it definitely is a tool magicka NBs very much need...

I'm currently playing a stam NB, honestly I'm not sure how people are "spamming" it. I can do it twice with my magica pool, before I'm out. I have 9k magika, and it costs 3.6k magika or so. The other tools that I have that require magika are cloak and blur, so I have to choose when and if to use each of them. I generally get 1 fear off in a good battle, maybe two. And by that point I'm dead, or the person I'm fighting is dead. There isn't a whole lot of ability spam an ability that can only be dropped twice with your resource pool though.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Im so glad fear exists or else the game might revert back to the way things used to be. Non-stop block casting .............. ew! Why would we spam it anyways? You get hit once, break free, and then we have to wait to use it again. Sorry thats not spam. Dont go pointing the finger at nbs for high burst anyways. I got hit for 16k from radiant destruction today and got hit for 2 11k overload light attacks yesterday. For real we aren't the only ones that have absurd burst, but at least we need stealth to pull it off. I think there needs to be a cap on how much weapon/spell power you can have. That way nothing gets nerfed, but people will no longer be able to use these broke ass 1 shot builds.

Iyas

Could say the same about radiant. Every build has a counter. Perma block -> fear

cozmon3c_ESO

im not a tank and fear wtf pwns me.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

I am a 2h/bow NB that doesnt use Fear, and i know many others that do not either. What i do when i come across one that does, is use immovability potions and try to be more creative about putting distance between me and them (magnum shot or dodge roll, re-apply buffs and debuffs) then use a gap-closer and get in some burst attacks.

Docmandu

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I am a 2h/bow NB that doesnt use Fear, and i know many others that do not either. What i do when i come across one that does, is use immovability potions and try to be more creative about putting distance between me and them (magnum shot or dodge roll, re-apply buffs and debuffs) then use a gap-closer and get in some burst attacks.

Sorry... playing smart is not allowed.. you can only QQ on the forums!

Whyn Aurum

So lets assume we remove fear. How are we going to counter forever blocking tanks like you? A good tank shows he can deal with all kinds of cc and still come out on top.

murtugo

Be brave... Fear is only in your mind.

Sacadon

How many points have you invested in Elusive?

Sacadon

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

So lets assume we remove fear. How are we going to counter forever blocking tanks like you? A good tank shows he can deal with all kinds of cc and still come out on top.

Agreed, and doesn't look like the OP wants to remove fear, just adjust it so that it has new build related compromises, which I'm not in favor of. I think they should leave it alone for now.

Dositheus

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Sacadon

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Im so glad fear exists or else the game might revert back to the way things used to be. Non-stop block casting .............. ew! Why would we spam it anyways? You get hit once, break free, and then we have to wait to use it again. Sorry thats not spam. Dont go pointing the finger at nbs for high burst anyways. I got hit for 16k from radiant destruction today and got hit for 2 11k overload light attacks yesterday. For real we aren't the only ones that have absurd burst, but at least we need stealth to pull it off. I think there needs to be a cap on how much weapon/spell power you can have. That way nothing gets nerfed, but people will no longer be able to use these broke ass 1 shot builds.

There were caps before and that caused other problems and it still didn't prevent high-burst builds completely.

Lyzaaa

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I am a 2h/bow NB that doesnt use Fear, and i know many others that do not either. What i do when i come across one that does, is use immovability potions and try to be more creative about putting distance between me and them (magnum shot or dodge roll, re-apply buffs and debuffs) then use a gap-closer and get in some burst attacks.

The problem is for whoever that isnt a Nightblade trying to use this tactic is only gonna drain our stamina, aswell as the opponent NB for trying to get close ( in a nutshell )

in the end tho NB's have a monopoly on stamina resource management, u will run out of stamina trying to dodge that fear. Another thing is , u wont be able to use detection potion and immovability at the same time. U won't kill the NB and its just a matter of time till he does get a fear off, or the moment ur stamian drained, in which he will aswell fear u and kill u.

Basicly what ur doing is lenghten the fight , but it wont ever be in ur favor, thats the problem vs NBs atm, if they cant burst u , they will just wait till ur out of stamina trying to dodge it. U lost the moment u started the fight ( considering its a NB that knows what he's doing )

It's a different version than blocking ur doing but in the end its quite the same, and it'll end the same aswell.

I find it funny alot of people complain about fear, which isnt even the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that they can go rampant on ur face, ddoge roll evertyhing (aka u cant kill em either with dark cloak added to that ) And theres nothing u can do, wether its trying to dodge the burst, the fear, or trying to resource manage, u wont win it.

One of the bigger problems is their stamina regen. Im stunned noone mentioned the inasne 30!!!!% regen they get off their class passive. That goes over food, natural regen and all the regen they get from gear. Easily over 400 stamina regen.

now that regen is ***, and thats exactly that makes them immortal dodgerollers, aswell as being able to apply so much pressure u have to dodge (or u die ) taht in the end the opponent always crumbles.

maryriv

Use Immovable, problem solved.

maryriv

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

When I'm tanking a lot of people, it just feels stupid to then die due to the base mechanics of the game - that is, the length of time it takes to break fear and fossilize (when I have plenty of stamina left for breaking it) or to the stun + silence that happens every time someone is charging me with critical charge or invasion - because I will be burst down in the time I need to get back to using skills, and in the case of fear/fossilize, blocking. It's not a question of running out of resources, it is a question of the base mechanics of the game.

No, I don't use nirnhoned armor. When nirnhoned armor is fixed, the nerfs magicka DKs have suffered will truly be visible to all.

Nirnhoned isn't broken it doesn't need to be "fixed".

ToRelax

maryriv wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

When I'm tanking a lot of people, it just feels stupid to then die due to the base mechanics of the game - that is, the length of time it takes to break fear and fossilize (when I have plenty of stamina left for breaking it) or to the stun + silence that happens every time someone is charging me with critical charge or invasion - because I will be burst down in the time I need to get back to using skills, and in the case of fear/fossilize, blocking. It's not a question of running out of resources, it is a question of the base mechanics of the game.

No, I don't use nirnhoned armor. When nirnhoned armor is fixed, the nerfs magicka DKs have suffered will truly be visible to all.

Nirnhoned isn't broken it doesn't need to be "fixed".

Who cares, it's gonna be changed, and for the better.

TheBull

Draehl wrote: »

I take it you're probably a tank then? Fear is intended to be a block counter. That being said, yes it is very strong especially in the hands of high burst stam NBs. The thing to do is increase the cost a good bit so stam builds can't use it so often. I wouldn't even be opposed to be gaining a short cast time, though I would certainly ask for the overall burst in PvP to be toned down at the same time since it definitely is a tool magicka NBs very much need...

A little you don't understand. If it is a glass cannon NB he can only use fear 3 times without being dangerously close too oom. If you a facing a dodge roll nb he is not high burst. They can roll around longer to regen some magicka allowing them to do it a couple more times.

Like DKs, and Temps NBs sacrifice to be high dmg or high sustain.

Awe

1st: solo tanking a crowd is already rediculous.
2nd: i'm not a tank, and die pretty easy, but i never died in fear, cuase only this CC makes you get away from attacker

Emma_Overload

I've never heard a good reason for Fear being insta-cast while Rune Prison/Cage has a 1.5 second cast time.

Tankqull

TheBull wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I take it you're probably a tank then? Fear is intended to be a block counter. That being said, yes it is very strong especially in the hands of high burst stam NBs. The thing to do is increase the cost a good bit so stam builds can't use it so often. I wouldn't even be opposed to be gaining a short cast time, though I would certainly ask for the overall burst in PvP to be toned down at the same time since it definitely is a tool magicka NBs very much need...

A little you don't understand. If it is a glass cannon NB he can only use fear 3 times without being dangerously close too oom. If you a facing a dodge roll nb he is not high burst. They can roll around longer to regen some magicka allowing them to do it a couple more times.

Like DKs, and Temps NBs sacrifice to be high dmg or high sustain.

thats BS - you cant spam it like the OP tries to make it look a like, but even as a stamina user you can use it infinitly with the given regrates anybody is running around with as the cc timer after breaking it refills way more magica than it costs to be applied.
with my stamina sorc i´m at 1004 magica reg thx to manfica/stam reg buffs thats 4k magica every reuse...

Sacadon

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I've never heard a good reason for Fear being insta-cast while Rune Prison/Cage has a 1.5 second cast time.

me either, but Restraining Prison is instant cast and holds for 5.4 secs (as with all things there are counters)

Isbilen

Remenber when everyone was complaining about how Scales were completely shutting down an entire playstile - ranged casters? Well, now you have another ability that is completely shutting down everyone who has sacrifised most of their damage to be tanky.

Plus, considering that this ability is like a better version of Negate that costs magicka, it's overpowered. Better in the sense that it even locks the targets out of blocking and using potions.

bgoldbeck21_ESO

OP wants to never lose in a game and so he makes a tanky invulnerable build that still has holes. Sorry, go back to the drawing board if you NEVER want to die.

Cody

When I play vet campaigns, I die mostly to sorcs and DKs, NBs using fear do not worry me, as I can just CC break it, roll dodge, then unleash oblivion on them.

in blackwater blade, I only ever die when its a really good player, or when im outnumbered, and most of the time fear is not the reason.

i cant be the sole evidence though, different people have different experiences.

I will say this though, fear is not the only block breaking ability in the game. Petrify, rune prison, agony, and others I am sure I have not listed, all go thru and break block, so if the fact that fear breaks blocking is your sole reason for wanting it nerfed, nerf the other abilities I have listed too.

and tbh, you should have healers and DPSers helping you anyway. Its very hard nowadays to solo tank 10 people.

Cody

Lyzaaa wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I am a 2h/bow NB that doesnt use Fear, and i know many others that do not either. What i do when i come across one that does, is use immovability potions and try to be more creative about putting distance between me and them (magnum shot or dodge roll, re-apply buffs and debuffs) then use a gap-closer and get in some burst attacks.

The problem is for whoever that isnt a Nightblade trying to use this tactic is only gonna drain our stamina, aswell as the opponent NB for trying to get close ( in a nutshell )

in the end tho NB's have a monopoly on stamina resource management, u will run out of stamina trying to dodge that fear. Another thing is , u wont be able to use detection potion and immovability at the same time. U won't kill the NB and its just a matter of time till he does get a fear off, or the moment ur stamian drained, in which he will aswell fear u and kill u.

Basicly what ur doing is lenghten the fight , but it wont ever be in ur favor, thats the problem vs NBs atm, if they cant burst u , they will just wait till ur out of stamina trying to dodge it. U lost the moment u started the fight ( considering its a NB that knows what he's doing )

It's a different version than blocking ur doing but in the end its quite the same, and it'll end the same aswell.

I find it funny alot of people complain about fear, which isnt even the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that they can go rampant on ur face, ddoge roll evertyhing (aka u cant kill em either with dark cloak added to that ) And theres nothing u can do, wether its trying to dodge the burst, the fear, or trying to resource manage, u wont win it.

One of the bigger problems is their stamina regen. Im stunned noone mentioned the inasne 30!!!!% regen they get off their class passive. That goes over food, natural regen and all the regen they get from gear. Easily over 400 stamina regen.

now that regen is ***, and thats exactly that makes them immortal dodgerollers, aswell as being able to apply so much pressure u have to dodge (or u die ) taht in the end the opponent always crumbles.

sorcs apply pressure with their powerful kiting abilities

DKs apply pressure with their undodgable flame whips, very good healing, reflective scales, ash cloud..... my point is made

templars can heal thru a LOT of damage, and if you let biting jabs get you, it can screw you over. lets not forget radiant destruction, blazing shield, and other powerful templar builds.

I see NBs get killed all the time. Yes we have high stamina regan and cloak and fear, but we have no class based self heal. unless the NB has vigor or uses rally(which is not every NB, in fact many NBs go bow/dw, so their only shot is vigor, unless its a magicka build with healing ward, which even then is purely situational) if we take damage, 9/10 it stays if you keep up the pressure.

you take away our regan and fear, you severely nerf our survivalbility. you take away our stamina regan, it will NOT stop seemingly infinite dodge rolling, as every class is fully capable of doing it. you want to nerf a class over something that is not that class' fault, and i find that ridiculous. its like asking for sorcs to be nerfed due to damage shield spam/stacking, when its in fact the fault of the game mechanics in general.

fix the broken GAME MECHANICS, such as regan rates overall, CS passives, huge cost reductions, etc, instead of nerfing a class over it. nerfing classes will fix NOTHING.

Cody

maryriv wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

When I'm tanking a lot of people, it just feels stupid to then die due to the base mechanics of the game - that is, the length of time it takes to break fear and fossilize (when I have plenty of stamina left for breaking it) or to the stun + silence that happens every time someone is charging me with critical charge or invasion - because I will be burst down in the time I need to get back to using skills, and in the case of fear/fossilize, blocking. It's not a question of running out of resources, it is a question of the base mechanics of the game.

No, I don't use nirnhoned armor. When nirnhoned armor is fixed, the nerfs magicka DKs have suffered will truly be visible to all.

Nirnhoned isn't broken it doesn't need to be "fixed".

stop blindly listening to ZOS. it makes it almost impossible to play magicka builds. it is broken, whether ZOS says so or not.

and it WILL be fixed, thankfully, in the next few months.

Isbilen

bgoldbeck21_ESO wrote: »

OP wants to never lose in a game and so he makes a tanky invulnerable build that still has holes. Sorry, go back to the drawing board if you NEVER want to die.

It's not so much about never losing as it is about the tank dropping dead just as fast as the guy next to him with three times the damage output because a NB pressed 1 button.

And there are bigger stamina drainers than Fear, such as Radiant Destruction. I am fine with the huge stamina drain from this ability and others, but being hit by an ability that's stronger than a Negate every 5 seconds to completely lock you out your character is just dumb.