Weakest class in PvE?

Derra

Out of personal curiosity and because we currently have the same topic in the pvp section of the forums (Link: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166110/weakest-class-in-pvp#latest )
Which class do you feel is currently lacking in pve as a whole (not looking at specific roles but at the complete "package" the class offers)?
Feel free to elaborate your choice

golfer.dub17_ESO

Sorcerer

You can pretty much do anything and be successful at PvE.

That said, I'd guess Sorcerer.

As a Dragonknight...no one should seriously vote Dragonknight.

asneakybanana

All classes are relatively balanced.

IMO all classes have their place to shine. Dks are the kings of AA and SO. Sorcs are the kings of HR. NBs are arguably the kings of DSA. And temps are healers. Not much else needs to be said lol.

djnapstyb14_ESO

Other:

argonian stam sorc

bloodenragedb14_ESO

Sorcerer

a skilled sorcerer player can make up for any weakness by skillful application of skills, however it still doesnt change the fact that it is the most difficult class to play in pve. perhaps zos needs to post difficulty warnings on the class selection in character creation

edit: also, any class with the vampirism affliction is, nearly by default, going to have a difficult time, seeing as every npc mage and their mother use fire spells

Glurin

Other:

English class.

Aevric

asneakybanana wrote: »

IMO all classes have their place to shine. Dks are the kings of AA and SO. Sorcs are the kings of HR. NBs are arguably the kings of DSA. And temps are healers. Not much else needs to be said lol.

I've played MMO's since their inception, and RPG's and Muds prior to that.
Those abbreviations you use in that statement make no sense whatsoever.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Sorcerer

Aevric wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

IMO all classes have their place to shine. Dks are the kings of AA and SO. Sorcs are the kings of HR. NBs are arguably the kings of DSA. And temps are healers. Not much else needs to be said lol.

I've played MMO's since their inception, and RPG's and Muds prior to that.
Those abbreviations you use in that statement make no sense whatsoever.

Given that one of them was DSA, I would assume he's abbreviating specific dungeons.

Locke_ESO

Sorcerer

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Given that one of them was DSA, I would assume he's abbreviating specific dungeons.

Yep it's all "endgame" trials:

DSA = DragonStar Arena
HR = Hel Ra Citadel
AA = Aetherian Archive
SO = Sanctum Ophidia

kijima

Other:

No such thing as weak classes, just weak builds.

Soris

Other:

I'll go one step further and say; pve is for the weak.

asneakybanana

All classes are relatively balanced.

Aevric wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

IMO all classes have their place to shine. Dks are the kings of AA and SO. Sorcs are the kings of HR. NBs are arguably the kings of DSA. And temps are healers. Not much else needs to be said lol.

I've played MMO's since their inception, and RPG's and Muds prior to that.
Those abbreviations you use in that statement make no sense whatsoever.

They are abbreviations of the different end game dungeons. AA for aetherian archive, HR for Hel'Ra, SO for Sanctum Ophidia, and DSA for Dragonstar arena. And then DK and NB are short for dragonknight and Nightblade classes.

Kas

All classes are relatively balanced.

imho pve really lacks an individual challenge. vdsa is a cakewalk. trial hardmodes and scores are all about a great leader and repetition.

don't think judging weak/strong makes any sense if you can just faceroll anything anyway and strength becomes a matter of pure dps output.

Morvul

Sorcerer

Aevric wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

IMO all classes have their place to shine. Dks are the kings of AA and SO. Sorcs are the kings of HR. NBs are arguably the kings of DSA. And temps are healers. Not much else needs to be said lol.

I've played MMO's since their inception, and RPG's and Muds prior to that.
Those abbreviations you use in that statement make no sense whatsoever.

all those abbreviations were ESO specific:
NB (nightblades) and DK (Dragonknight) are classes
AA (aetherian archives) SO (sanctum orphidae) and HR (Hel ra citadel) are raids (trials)
and DSA (dragonstar arena) the the "raid-like" 4-man instance

eliisra

Sorcerer

Sorcerer in PvE is like a templar in PvP. You only have one build and role that works, but it's not even that good to begin with.

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

eliisra wrote: »

Sorcerer in PvE is like a templar in PvP. You only have one build and role that works, but it's not even that good to begin with.

My medium armor sorc ranger and heavy armor sorc stormknight would have to disagree with you

byrom101b16_ESO

Sorcerer

Even before I voted I knew the answer was Sorcerer worst and DK best.

DK also came out best in the PvP poll of the same type, Sorcerer second.

But "Sorc's need a nerf" though... lol

eliisra

Sorcerer

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Sorcerer in PvE is like a templar in PvP. You only have one build and role that works, but it's not even that good to begin with.

My medium armor sorc ranger and heavy armor sorc stormknight would have to disagree with you

I'm glad to hear you found builds you like and that works. Not doubt, you can make both stamina- and tank specs work with a sorcerer if you have enough individual skill and determination, but other classes will still do it better and therefore be preferred.

My medium armor NB "ranger" would dps the living hell out of your bowsorcerer, both single target and AoE, while also bringing dmg mitigation and buffs to the group. My DK heavy armor "knight" is also a superior tank, because of unique class skills like cheap roots, chains to group up the trash and the best self heal in the game. My templar is a way better healer.

X3ina

Nightblade

eliisra wrote: »

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Sorcerer in PvE is like a templar in PvP. You only have one build and role that works, but it's not even that good to begin with.

My medium armor sorc ranger and heavy armor sorc stormknight would have to disagree with you

I'm glad to hear you found builds you like and that works. Not doubt, you can make both stamina- and tank specs work with a sorcerer if you have enough individual skill and determination, but other classes will still do it better and therefore be preferred.

My medium armor NB "ranger" would dps the living hell out of your bowsorcerer, both single target and AoE, while also bringing dmg mitigation and buffs to the group. My DK heavy armor "knight" is also a superior tank, because of unique class skills like cheap roots, chains to group up the trash and the best self heal in the game. My templar is a way better healer.

Pfff... Seems like the only word u use is "my", but still MY sorc is better than all your characters;) And haters ... prepare to qq "nerf sorcs" cause i'm training my "only sorcs" group for #1 position in vDSA (EU) (hopefully, of course )

X3ina

Nightblade

And yeah, i'm a classist (even when i'm leading my guilds' newbies to trials)

Jules

Nightblade

Honestly, it seems like an unpopular choice but I think NB is weakest.

Templars of course are amazing heals. Dk's as well as sorcs have high potential for damage. Post 1.6 it seems NB's lag a little behind in terms of sustain. Their burst and crits are out of control but long fights have them slightly lower in dps. Interesting because I remember pre 1.6 my NB friends dominating over everyone.

Alcast

Dragonknight

Top: StamDK, StamTemp, MagickaDK
Good: everything else

Difference is not that huge anymore compared to pre1.6
If there is a good Player behind a character he can make things work well on any char.

DK has just still ridiculous OP passives compared to other classes. (Or the other classes have just very bad passives w/e)

Stam/MagickaDK= OP passives(And OP skills that inc fire dmg even more like Engulfing flames/Lava whip)
StamTemp= very good passives (THough only in Aedric spear)
Magicka Temp= not rly good passives (Dawns wrath passives completly useless)
Stam Sorc= very bad passives (Next major update we gonna see changes iirc??)
Magicak Sorc= good passives
StamNB= not rly good passives
MagickaNB= bad passives


I think I will make a comparison of class skills and passives for offensive/defensive soon

Father

Templar

How come sorcs are the weakest in PVE ?? I've seen amazing sorcs more than crappy ones, and today I learned that OVERLOAD can do 26k dmg a tick without any weaving..just light attacks...so to all sorcs who feel weak..go read some guides please. SORC by all means is the TOP in PVE and PVP.

Khivas_Carrick

All classes are relatively balanced.

Ehh idk about that. I think, now after some time, all the classes seem to be balanced.

Mumnoch

Sorcerer

Parses don't lie. Video's don't lie. Sorc's in PVE are at the bottom of the barrel compared to the other classes.

I'd bet a year sub that the people saying classes are balanced or the other classes are below Sorc's in DPS are the PVPer's who don't understand that there is a difference between PVP and PVE. That the Sorc's burst in PVP does not equal sustained DPS in PVE.


I was looking for the real choice though that wasn't presented...That Sorc's are the weakest in PVE but Zenimax lacks the skill to balance this game between PVP and PVE and so will continue to ignore the Sorc's.

Father

Templar

Mumnoch wrote: »

Parses don't lie. Video's don't lie. Sorc's in PVE are at the bottom of the barrel compared to the other classes.

I'd bet a year sub that the people saying classes are balanced or the other classes are below Sorc's in DPS are the PVPer's who don't understand that there is a difference between PVP and PVE. That the Sorc's burst in PVP does not equal sustained DPS in PVE.


I was looking for the real choice though that wasn't presented...That Sorc's are the weakest in PVE but Zenimax lacks the skill to balance this game between PVP and PVE and so will continue to ignore the Sorc's.

Why are sorcs weak in PVE ?? Just stack spell dmg and max magicka.

glak

Templar

Father wrote: »

Mumnoch wrote: »

Parses don't lie. Video's don't lie. Sorc's in PVE are at the bottom of the barrel compared to the other classes.

I'd bet a year sub that the people saying classes are balanced or the other classes are below Sorc's in DPS are the PVPer's who don't understand that there is a difference between PVP and PVE. That the Sorc's burst in PVP does not equal sustained DPS in PVE.


I was looking for the real choice though that wasn't presented...That Sorc's are the weakest in PVE but Zenimax lacks the skill to balance this game between PVP and PVE and so will continue to ignore the Sorc's.

Why are sorcs weak in PVE ?? Just stack spell dmg and max magicka.

he must be a stamina sorc.

Alcast

Dragonknight

Mumnoch wrote: »

Parses don't lie. Video's don't lie. Sorc's in PVE are at the bottom of the barrel compared to the other classes.

I'd bet a year sub that the people saying classes are balanced or the other classes are below Sorc's in DPS are the PVPer's who don't understand that there is a difference between PVP and PVE. That the Sorc's burst in PVP does not equal sustained DPS in PVE.


I was looking for the real choice though that wasn't presented...That Sorc's are the weakest in PVE but Zenimax lacks the skill to balance this game between PVP and PVE and so will continue to ignore the Sorc's.

Sorc AoE on par with Magicka DKs
Sorc Single Target about 10-20% weaker than Magicka DKs

But then again Sorc freaking OP shizzle in PvP so stop complaining

seanvwolf

All classes are relatively balanced.

Soris wrote: »

I'll go one step further and say; pve is for the weak.

The person who, to this date, has cost me more soul gems in a single vet dungeon run, before kicking them, was a Former Emperor.

Khivas_Carrick

All classes are relatively balanced.

seanvwolf wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

I'll go one step further and say; pve is for the weak.

The person who, to this date, has cost me more soul gems in a single vet dungeon run, before kicking them, was a Former Emperor.

People that do only PvP actually find PvE harder, and this is observation on multiple accounts. It's actually hilarious given that PvE is actually easier than PvP when it comes to actual fighting lol It's the nature of how things work with the two, that PvE is rigid and patterned but demands a constant upkeep that PvP doesn't quite have since it can go from frantic to really freaking slow.

But yea, my favorite was a healer that was shaking after a Vet Dungeon and said it was too intense for him lol

Father

Templar

People here are trolling..Sorcerer is the best magicka class in the game and there is no competition in DPS with a sorcerer.
and yes the burst of a sorcerer with over 3k spell dmg with overload can do 20k+ single target dps just by weaving light attacks and thats waaaaaaay more than NB DPS who need to follow rotations and keep dots and weave like crazy.
same with dk that needs to mash his fingers to apply dots.. sorcerers FTW seriously.

I really don't understand some people here...